Discussion Quantum Archeology - Is Suicide a Jump Into The Future?

[treestumpbootsneo]

Quantum Archeology holds the promise of one day recreating every scene in history, including humans before they died, atom-perfect.

If this happens, which seems likely given more computing power, it will enable the resurrection of people.

It would be like chain migration - one person would want to resurrect another person, and then that person would want to resurrect another person, or multiple people, and eventually everyone would be resurrected.

Except instead of migrating to the United States, the migration would be into a digital VR realm, populated by uploaded people, physical people connecting from devices, AI entities, and resurrected people.

From this point of view, CTB may just be a shortcut to the future. If you CTB in 2024 and QA only comes out in 2060, from your point of view you will end up in 2060 immediately after successfully CTB.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Don't f**k with me like that! This belongs on a Cosmic Horror sub-board

 

[opheliaoveragain]

nope. not doing this today OP.


no disrespect this is an interesting theory though for real.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Sometimes I worry when I think about leaving the odd scrap of DNA behind- a hair or something that some future scientist might use it to bring me back... They better bloody not. Still- we wouldn't exactly be 'us' though- would we? We wouldn't have had our individual life histories. It would just be our genetics they were duplicating. That would still be bad though...

 

[treestumpbootsneo]

Good point, @Forever Sleep ... it's a crucial distinction to make. DNA could potentially make a clone of you, but your memories and identities would be be the same , therefore it wouldn't be you.

With QA, though, it goes beyond DNA. QA can rebuild you from your atomic structure at the time just before you died. Think more like a Star Trek transporter than Dolly the Sheep.

 

[babouflo201223]

L'archéologie quantique promet de recréer un jour chaque scène de l'histoire, y compris celle des humains avant leur mort, à la perfection.

Si cela se produit, ce qui semble probable étant donné la puissance de calcul accrue, cela permettra la résurrection des gens.

Ce serait comme une migration en chaîne : une personne voudrait ressusciter une autre personne, puis cette personne voudrait ressusciter une autre personne, ou plusieurs personnes, et finalement tout le monde serait ressuscité.

Sauf qu'au lieu de migrer vers les États-Unis, la migration se ferait vers un royaume de réalité virtuelle numérique, peuplé de personnes téléchargées, de personnes physiques se connectant à partir d'appareils, d'entités d'IA et de personnes ressuscitées.

De ce point de vue, le CTB n'est peut-être qu'un raccourci vers l'avenir. Si vous faites le CTB en 2024 et que l'assurance qualité ne sort qu'en 2060, de votre point de vue, vous vous retrouverez en 2060 immédiatement après avoir réussi le CTB.

It's awful, a nightmare ! But if it has to happen, it will, CTB or "natural death". We're just powerless about that.

 

[Unspoken7612]

I don't think Quantum Archaeology is possible, too much information is simply lost and no realistic amount of computing power can bring it back. Attempt to reverse entropy and you start running into Maxwell's Demon.

 

[treestumpbootsneo]

Well, I don't know. I'm no expert, but there are people who think it is likely to happen. If you think about it, we are still receiving information from the beginning of the universe.

 

[Sutter]

Perhaps atom perfect but a body is a body.

It is my limited understanding that consciousness may be nothing more than a sustained quantum wave in our own brains. Maybe it can be recreated.

*smile I would count on people though, there a wonderful selection of them, and humans are humans with all the love and grisly things that come with it. I would imagine if it was possible it would quickly be made illegal to bring back those that took their own lives.

Just running with the thought for a moment, other than those that committed suicide, what about others who ran their course and died? Some of them are not going to be happy coming back especially to a time that is not theirs with most likely only one person they knew being there.

Here is a complete cluster of epic proportions, what about all those that received the death penalty at any point in time for any reason.

Knowing the capacity of humankind we would bring back anyone and I mean anyone from time immemorial. That should have some far reaching effects, start thinking Jesus, Moses, any figure from any religion. Coming from wherever you believe they rested heaven, hell, vahalla, or the abyss. In addition to that kind of technological advancement how long would it be until someone creates the Marvel universe, till Edgar Allen Poe dukes it out with a Brazilian shaman?

Its a thought but the timeless epic cluster it would create tells me the Einstein of that thought brought to reality would quietly shelve those plans and have it never see the light of day.

Course humankind is a varied creature, I suppose you never know, or never want to know when you go to the long sleep there is an awakening.

 

[Darkover]

quantum archeology is a load of nonsense pure science fiction

 

[treestumpbootsneo]

Sutter, interesting points. I suppose that those that ran their natural course and were resurrected may feel that they don't like the new reality, especially if it was someone who died in 1704 as opposed to 2024. However, because of the chain effect of resurrection, likely every person who ever existed may in fact already be there. This brings up an interesting side note though - if you go back far enough, humans stop being humans. Would the early humans chain resurrect their proto human ancestors and relatives?

 

[Sutter]

Sutter, interesting points. I suppose that those that ran their natural course and were resurrected may feel that they don't like the new reality, especially if it was someone who died in 1704 as opposed to 2024. However, because of the chain effect of resurrection, likely every person who ever existed may in fact already be there. This brings up an interesting side note though - if you go back far enough, humans stop being humans. Would the early humans chain resurrect their proto human ancestors and relatives?

Honestly I dont think it would ever get there. The bringing back of those already passed would make a huge group of people that without a doubt would be pro death choice. That being said as I look around the world, the world itself, it seems plain to me that once a larger group was in charge things would change.

Not the ebb and flow that some people would want. If anything those that want to live forever could and those that didnt wouldnt. Those that take those matters in to their own hands for another soul,…well a soul that was resting and brought back can be just as scornful as one that life was taken from. There may be a heavy price to pay there.

Some stones are best left as they are.

 

[Sockwave]

Ok, so there are a few things to consider here.
I should state that I only have a very shallow understanding of QA, so I'm working with the assumption that it's the reconstructing of deceased humans on an atomic level.

1.
I'd imagine reconstructing a human being on an atomic level won't be easy or cheap, so bringing back the dead might only be something that's avaliable for the ultra rich or governments, since only they'll be able to afford it. So, unless you have connections to the ultra rich or are a significant historical person, it's, in my opinion at least, very unlikely that you'll be revived at the time QA becomes avaliable.

2.
Bringing back humans, especially those who made the choice to CTB, may present a moral issue. Many of those pleople will have made peace with the fact they'll die, so bringing them back to life, especially into a time they're unfamiliar with, may cause significant emotioal distress. There's also the problem that it's impossible to get consent from those people before resurrecting them.

 

[treestumpbootsneo]

Since resurrecting people physically may take more resources and infrastructure than will be available, I was thinking more along the lines of, get the atomic level map of the person, and then use that to upload their consciousness into VR

 

[Sockwave]

Since resurrecting people physically may take more resources and infrastructure than will be available, I was thinking more along the lines of, get the atomic level map of the person, and then use that to upload their consciousness into VR

That'll probably make the technology more avaliable, but I'd still imagine the costs of simulation something that complex would still be astronomical. However, with advancing technology it would probably become avaliable to the common folk.

 

[CantDoIt]

I have heard this theory before. There's some guy whose name I forgot, sort of opposite to us, who wants to live forever but he's about 70...who seems to believe consciousnesses will one day be downloaded somehow from after death because in his theory there's some sort of quantum field creating these specific consciousnesses so they can simply be "retrieved" after dying. Almost like a scientific afterlife I guess.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

Quantum Archeology holds the promise of one day recreating every scene in history, including humans before they died, atom-perfect.

If this happens, which seems likely given more computing power, it will enable the resurrection of people.

It would be like chain migration - one person would want to resurrect another person, and then that person would want to resurrect another person, or multiple people, and eventually everyone would be resurrected.

Except instead of migrating to the United States, the migration would be into a digital VR realm, populated by uploaded people, physical people connecting from devices, AI entities, and resurrected people.

From this point of view, CTB may just be a shortcut to the future. If you CTB in 2024 and QA only comes out in 2060, from your point of view you will end up in 2060 immediately after successfully CTB.

Very interesting. I absolutely LOVE this!