Psych ward - speaking about ctb?

[Forever or never]

First of all I would like to say THANK YOU. This community keeps me alive, I met so many beautiful persons on here, its unbelievable.
Nonetheless, i will go tomorrow to psych ward to show my family and people that care for me, that I at least tried to get better and I am really afraid.
I don't know, if I should accept the help and be open. If i will speak openly there about everything that already happened and what i have planned, they will lock me there and keep for a good amount of weeks if not for months.
But if I don't tell the truth, I think they can't even help me. I will be out of there in no time, but it won't improve my situation.
How would you handle this? Should I be open, with the risk of being locked there like in a jail?? Idk what to do...
Maybee there is a was to way to speak about my suicidal thoughts without the risk, but how??
Also I would like to know, is there any risk for me and this community going to SS through their wifi?

I appreciate if you have red this, no matter if you answer or not. Thank you

 

[littleflower88]

First of all I would like to say THANK YOU. This community keeps me alive, I met so many beautiful persons on here, its unbelievable.
Nonetheless, i will go tomorrow to psych ward to show my family and people that care for me, that I at least tried to get better and I am really afraid.
I don't know, if I should accept the help and be open. If i will speak openly there about everything that already happened and what i have planned, they will lock me there and keep for a good amount of weeks if not for months.
But if I don't tell the truth, I think they can't even help me. I will be out of there in no time, but it won't improve my situation.
How would you handle this? Should I be open, with the risk of being locked there like in a jail?? Idk what to do...
Maybee there is a was to way to speak about my suicidal thoughts without the risk, but how??
Also I would like to know, is there any risk for me and this community going to SS through their wifi?

I appreciate if you have red this, no matter if you answer or not. Thank you

I'm currently in a psych ward informally and have been open and honest that I want to go via SN. Right now I'm trying to put back on my 'fake' face so I can get time out to complete my ctb. I feel like they haven't really made any further restrictions after telling them, like I have cords I could easily complete ctb during the night.

 

[randomz]

I have not been in your situation so I can't speak from personal experiance but if I was you I'd tell the whole truth. You are going there to get help and as you said they can't help you if they don't know what the problem is exactly. I don't think you should worry about the staff's reaction - they are professionals who are trained to deal with problems such as yours.
Good for you that you are trying to get help, I hope and know that you will get better and start enjoying life :)

P.S. If you are using the ward's wifi, make sure you are using incognito mode. It won't stop them from knowing what sites you visited but I think it will be a bit harder for them to do that.

 

[sleepy dog]

They do not want what is best for you. They don't care. Stay away from psychiatrists and mental health clinics and psych drugs. That is the reason many people are members of this site. Search the forum and read. But know that what people report is just a small taste of the damage they do. Stay away or learn the hard way after a lot of suffering because of them.

I don't see any reason to mention this website. Why do that?

 

[littleflower88]

P.S. If you are using the ward's wifi, make sure you are using incognito mode. It won't stop them from knowing what sites you visited but I think it will be a bit harder for them to do that.

Can they find out what you're searching if you're on incognito mode?

 

[k75]

I feel like if you're already going to be in the psych ward, which is essentially the worst case scenario, then there's no point in not being completely honest. You're right... They can't really help if they don't have the facts, and what are they going to do? Lock you in the psych ward??

I would not worry about being forced to stay longer. That often depends more on how "sane" and rational you present yourself. If you really want to try getting appropriate help, be honest. Maybe leave out your specific method, though.

I disagree that the psych nurses and doctors are the enemy. Quite often, they do want to help. But how can they if the patients don't cooperate too?

 

[Forever or never]

Thanks for the answers.

They do not want what is best for you. They don't care. Stay away from psychiatrists and mental health clinics and psych drugs. That is the reason many people are members of this site. Search the forum and read. But know that what people report is just a small taste of the damage they do. Stay away or learn the hard way after a lot of suffering because of them.

I don't see any reason to mention this website. Why do that?

My family wants me to do this. And i do nothing right now to improve my situation, so basically its the only choice i have to go there.
And no, i wont mention this website. You missunderstood me. I am just worried to surf on SS through their wifi in case they will check where i am surfing.

I have not been in your situation so I can't speak from personal experiance but if I was you I'd tell the whole truth. You are going there to get help and as you said they can't help you if they don't know what the problem is exactly. I don't think you should worry about the staff's reaction - they are professionals who are trained to deal with problems such as yours.
Good for you that you are trying to get help, I hope and know that you will get better and start enjoying life :)

P.S. If you are using the ward's wifi, make sure you are using incognito mode. It won't stop them from knowing what sites you visited but I think it will be a bit harder for them to do that.

Do you have maybee an idea how to speak about it? I am rly worried they will lock me there....

I feel like if you're already going to be in the psych ward, which is essentially the worst case scenario, then there's no point in not being completely honest. You're right... They can't really help if they don't have the facts, and what are they going to do? Lock you in the psych ward??

I would not worry about being forced to stay longer. That often depends more on how "sane" and rational you present yourself. If you really want to try getting appropriate help, be honest. Maybe leave out your specific method, though.

I disagree that the psych nurses and doctors are the enemy. Quite often, they do want to help. But how can they if the patients don't cooperate too?

Thank you. I think you are right. I shouöd tell them about everything, just dont go into to much detail about methods and stuff. Act like i wouldnt have done research

 

[sleepy dog]

Your involvement with them will follow you the rest of your life, in a negative way. Psych drugs destroy the brain's ability to adapt and react. They even cause the symptoms they are made to treat. Life will only become harder for you. And they will perceive that as you needing more drugs. It will get worse and worse. I am not the only person to experience this. I even went thru many years where drugs "helped" me. That's what I thought was happening. Now I know a lot of damage was being done. I only walked into a clinic to get counseling, that's it.

Your family wants you to do this? At best, that's because they know nothing about it. And they will not be putting the drugs in their body and living with the damage, you will be. I tried to get you to see the truth. I won't be trying anymore. You will make a mistake, and then learn from the mistake, or choose to not make the mistake. I wish you the best.

 

[randomguy101]

Can they find out what you're searching if you're on incognito mode?

Yes they can

 

[Forever or never]

Your involvement with them will follow you the rest of your life, in a negative way. Psych drugs destroy the brain's ability to adapt and react. They even cause the symptoms they are made to treat. Life will only become harder for you. And they will perceive that as you needing more drugs. It will get worse and worse. I am not the only person to experience this. I even went thru many years where drugs "helped" me. That's what I thought was happening. Now I know a lot of damage was being done. I only walked into a clinic to get counseling, that's it.

Your family wants you to do this? At best, that's because they know nothing about it. And they will not be putting the drugs in their body and living with the damage, you will be. I tried to get you to see the truth. I won't be trying anymore. You will make a mistake, and then learn from the mistake, or choose to not make the mistake. I wish you the best.

Thats why i go to psych ward. I stopped taking psych drugs like anti depressants. And i dont know anymore what to do now. I dont have enough energy to even stay up from bed, even to call to the psych ward was kinda exhausting.

And maybee you are right. Maybee it will cause even more damage. But i dont see any other solution anymore... and even if it will cause damage... it cant get worse than now because right now the only other solution i see is ctb. If i will feel worse after psych ward and nothing will change, i still can to ctb...

 

[JustLosingMyself]

Can they find out what you're searching if you're on incognito mode?

Incognito mode only means your browser does not keep a history of your internet use or what sites you visit, and deletes it when you close the browser.
The server through which you connect can/will keep a record of your IP address and the sites you visit.
If the hospital IT dept wants to they can identify you. It's unlikely they'll bother though. It's much easier for them to block access to sites than to expand resources on finding you.
Use a VPN rather than relying on an incognito mode.

 

[LittleJem]

Incognito mode only means your browser does not keep a history of your internet use or what sites you visit, and deletes it when you close the browser.
The server through which you connect can/will keep a record of your IP address and the sites you visit.
If the hospital IT dept wants to they can identify you. It's unlikely they'll bother though. It's much easier for them to block access to sites than to expand resources on finding you.
Use a VPN rather than relying on an incognito mode.

Hi is that including if I use Tor on my machine - will the server (which is at my family house) still keep a record of sites I visit? maybe it doesn't matter - it's just I visit this one a lot.
OP

I don't know about psych wards myself - but I visited my friend in a private psychiatric hospital - she blew all her savings on it, because she was so poorly.

I think it is a good place for you to be looked after and hopefully they might find a medication that helps you - though that is never guaranteed. My friend's Zoloft stopped working for her - she was in a very dark place - and they supported her through withrdrawals and onto Venlaflaxine.

She had her bag searched after going out etc - and they are to a degree in control of you, but maybe that is a good thing.

 

[TAW122]

I don't think you should be honest with them, especially if your goal is to get out of the psych ward and be able to have your freedom back. I am of course, speaking from what I hear about patients in the US (might not be the same in Europe though). Also, I assume you are in Germany, so perhaps healthcare is already covered. In the US, not only does the patient get prisoner treatment (and treated like a child, condescendingly), they are also left with a massive medical bill (hundreds, possibly thousands or more) that they would have a hard time paying off. It's disgustingly cruel and only causes more damage, to freedom, finances, psychological damage, and more. I'm sorry that you are going through hell right now, but that's just my two cents on your situation.

@sleepy dog sums up the situation very well. These so called professionals are nothing more than just people trying to make money while also superficially appearing to be 'heroes' in the eyes of society and government. There really is no "real" help for real problems and rationally wishing to die.

 

[k75]

The thing is, they want help and are voluntarily going to the psych ward. What's the freaking point if you're then going to lie, evade treatment, and try to get back out as fast as possible???

If you want help, you have to tell people you're struggling. End of story.

 

[FreedomInDeath]

In my experience psychiatric involvement has made me worse. Honestly it depends on so many variables who knows what will happen but if it is your last choice I wish you good luck.

 

[DoNotLet2]

Can they find out what you're searching if you're on incognito mode?

Yes, they can. Your IP still can be tracked while on Incognito mode. I'm not an expert but I read so in the description of the incognito mode.

 

[littleflower88]

Yes, they can. Your IP still can be tracked while on Incognito mode. I'm not an expert but I read so in the description of the incognito mode.

Thanks I'm now trying to find a VPN that I can piggy back on my phone

 

[Thatdude]

P.S. If you are using the ward's wifi, make sure you are using incognito mode. It won't stop them from knowing what sites you visited but I think it will be a bit harder for them to do that.

As someone with a tech background, I can tell you that isn't true. Like if you're using their computer, then it might hide it. But they could easily monitor everything the same way most schools do to students in a classroom. Like I never been to a ward. But I would think you're only talking about a handful of computers at most. This making it that much easier.
Now I'm not sure about the legal since you're dealing with adults.


Anyways, assuming you can use your own device. A VPN will keep them from seeing any sites you're going to. Just don't use a free one, and note it is possible to block a VPN. But most places their IT staff is underman, under pay, and over worked. In short, the IT staff might know how to block a VPN. But just doesn't have the care to.

What a VPN does is it encrypt the data between the computer and VPN point. The local network only sees the data going to the VPN point, but it can't see anything beyond that. And since the data is encrypted. They can't see what is within it without breaking the encryption first. If the encryption is something like AES256, then it would take somewhere in the 10,000,000 years to break it with modern consumers technology.


If I was in a ward, and could do this. If they asked why. It would be to protect things like man in the middle attack, and to make it that much harder for my id to be stolen. If they try to push it, I would mention how people are most likely in there for weeks at a time. If say I was a criminal who did a man in the middle attack. Just a single day would be enough to try to use the ID to take out a loan or whatever. And once someone steals it, it could take in the ball park of a year to get that straight. So a minor thing like a VPN doesn't seem that bad in comparison to that.
I doubt they will ask, but research ARP poisoning or evil twin method hackers can use.

But keep in mind, most likely these aren't tech heads you're talking to. So for all they know, you could be bs them. But if they do a ounce of research. They will find what I said to be 100% true.


Anyways if you're looking for a VPN. I like Private Internet Access (pia). It doesn't keep any logs, and this has been tested in courts a few times.

 

[notjustyetagain]

i agree that if you're going to go, and you're prepared to be in a locked ward, then tell them the truth. if you're going to tell them about your method, but still want to keep it as a backup, hide it well. i disagree with the majority of the psych-system rhetoric i see around SS.

i've been to psych wards >50 times. some of them had my best interests at heart, some of them did not. some helped me, some made no difference, some made me worse. psych wards are different, nurses are different, and doctors are different. (my current psych of ~15 years has seen me for free for all of that time -- he's doing a very poor job of being in it for the money.)

i've taken a vast array of psychiatric meds for >25 years. everyone reacts differently -- there are people on here who were permanently "lobotomised" after taking a single dose of a single antidepressant, and there are people like me who've taken multiple drugs from every conceivable family of psychiatric medication for decades with no side effects other than weight gain and weight loss.

psych wards are different. people's involvement in psych wards are different. psych wards affect different people in different ways. psychiatric meds are different. people react to different psych meds in different ways. therapists are different. people's reactions to individual therapists are different. people's reactions to different therapies are different. even the same individual may react to the same nurse/therapist/doctor differently depending on the time of day, their mood, etc. there are no guarantees.

but if you want the best chance of being helped by a psych ward, it starts with honesty. again -- be careful about making sure your method is still available as a backup, or leave it out altogether. the psych-ward experience might help you, might make no difference, or might make you worse. there's no way to tell that without trying, and trying honestly, first.

i wish you the best of luck. (also, +1 to recommending PIA as a VPN)

 

[Slate128]

The 'help' that psych wards want to give you is to lock you up and restrict you so the health system doesn't look bad when the suicide stats come out. You want to get out of there ASAP.

Play their game, put on a fake face and don't say anything about ctb. If they give you drugs, just take them. It's better than where you could end up.

Once you're out, don't bother calling their services again. Don't pick up when they ring. They will eventually stop.

 

[TheOA]

Suicide is taboo in/on psych wards.

 

[k75]

The 'help' that psych wards want to give you is to lock you up and restrict you so the health system doesn't look bad when the suicide stats come out. You want to get out of there ASAP.

Play their game, put on a fake face and don't say anything about ctb. If they give you drugs, just take them. It's better than where you could end up.

Once you're out, don't bother calling their services again. Don't pick up when they ring. They will eventually stop.

But this case is different because they are choosing to go. So what good is "playing their game" and all that? It might actually help this person. They shouldn't be discouraged from trying to get help.

 

[reapandsow918]

No, don't go. If you want medications then I guess you could go and get them. Don't be honest with them, they will take away your rights.

 

[Nem]

They do not want what is best for you. They don't care. Stay away from psychiatrists and mental health clinics and psych drugs. That is the reason many people are members of this site. Search the forum and read. But know that what people report is just a small taste of the damage they do. Stay away or learn the hard way after a lot of suffering because of them.
I have zero respect for drs and big pharma....
Peace/hugs
I don't see any reason to mention this website. Why do that?

 

[ctbUniquectb]

The average inpatient psychiatric patient is being protected from an impulsive suicide. This path is different from that of the average poster here, thus minimizing the benefits of the services of such places

 

[sleepy dog]

i agree that if you're going to go, and you're prepared to be in a locked ward, then tell them the truth. if you're going to tell them about your method, but still want to keep it as a backup, hide it well. i disagree with the majority of the psych-system rhetoric i see around SS.

i've been to psych wards >50 times. some of them had my best interests at heart, some of them did not. some helped me, some made no difference, some made me worse. psych wards are different, nurses are different, and doctors are different. (my current psych of ~15 years has seen me for free for all of that time -- he's doing a very poor job of being in it for the money.)

i've taken a vast array of psychiatric meds for >25 years. everyone reacts differently -- there are people on here who were permanently "lobotomised" after taking a single dose of a single antidepressant, and there are people like me who've taken multiple drugs from every conceivable family of psychiatric medication for decades with no side effects other than weight gain and weight loss.

psych wards are different. people's involvement in psych wards are different. psych wards affect different people in different ways. psychiatric meds are different. people react to different psych meds in different ways. therapists are different. people's reactions to individual therapists are different. people's reactions to different therapies are different. even the same individual may react to the same nurse/therapist/doctor differently depending on the time of day, their mood, etc. there are no guarantees.

but if you want the best chance of being helped by a psych ward, it starts with honesty. again -- be careful about making sure your method is still available as a backup, or leave it out altogether. the psych-ward experience might help you, might make no difference, or might make you worse. there's no way to tell that without trying, and trying honestly, first.

i wish you the best of luck. (also, +1 to recommending PIA as a VPN)

You said "i've taken a vast array of psychiatric meds for >25 years."
You also said "i've been to psych wards >50 times."

The obvious has to be said. The fact you have "been to psych wards >50 times" proves that damage was done when you took "a vast array of psychiatric meds for >25 years". And you failed to realize this fact because of the damage that the drugs have done. I hope you can now begin to see the damage these drugs do. I am trying to help.
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You said "(my current psych of ~15 years has seen me for free for all of that time -- he's doing a very poor job of being in it for the money.)"

No psychiatrist is going to provide 15 years of "free" appointments. They are getting their money. You might have insurance sponsored by the state. Or they might be billing agencies because you qualify for that assistance. They don't have to tell you that they are getting paid or how. You also said "i've taken a vast array of psychiatric meds for >25 years." Every time a prescription was written for that "vast array of psychiatric meds", your psychiatrist got paid by the individual or company that owned the prescribed drug.
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You said "but if you want the best chance of being helped by a psych ward, it starts with honesty."

It started with honesty every time a person was shocked violently with electricity.
It started with honesty every time a drug destroyed a person's mind.
It started with honesty every time a person was committed involuntarily for months or years.

But this case is different because they are choosing to go. So what good is "playing their game" and all that? It might actually help this person. They shouldn't be discouraged from trying to get help.

Damage will be done either way. Voluntary or not. The damage will be done.
Does a person get damaged if they drink poison voluntarily by their own choice? The damage is the same as when they get poisoned by somebody else by that person's choice?

 

[Backwood_tilt]

The average inpatient psychiatric patient is being protected from an impulsive suicide. This path is different from that of the average poster here, thus minimizing the benefits of the services of such places

this is my exact reasoning for avoiding revealing plans to CTB to my therapist or physician.

Their duty is to prevent imminent harm from impulsiveness - but if your plans are serious and sober, there's not much they can do besides pump you full of meds and watch you.If you're serious about it, you will keep trying to catch that bus even after you check out of the psych ward.

 

[easywayout]

I used to hate it, been twice but the reality is it's not a holiday! It's a hospital where they are trying to protect you from yourself. Be sure to make plenty of friends inside instead of isolating yourself, makes it more enjoyable.

You can probably be treated without hospitalization if you say that you want to die but don't have any specific plans and also don't think you could do it. When you tell them you know how you'll do it you cross a line where they are legally required to try and protect you.

Good luck dude.

P.S. If you are using the ward's wifi, make sure you are using incognito mode. It won't stop them from knowing what sites you visited but I think it will be a bit harder for them to do that.

It will stop them from accessing it in your machines history, your net there is probably not being monitored too closely tbh.

 

[sleepy dog]

I'm currently in a psych ward informally and have been open and honest that I want to go via SN.

Now we know one reason why the mental health people are on to the use of SN as a method. Why would you mention that? Please don't do that again. Maybe even say you would use a different method.

 

[k75]

One thing you could look into if they're available where you are is a partial hospitalization program. There's a wonderful one in my area I've been two 5 times rather than going inpatient, and it helped me so much.