Propranolol and digoxin OD

[monkeysee2]

I know most ODs are fairly non-lethal but since SN is so restricted I was wondering if a baby version of the DDMP method would work:

25mg Digoxin
4g Propranolol
500mg Diazepam

The main concern is vomiting which is why I'll take meto and ondansetron before the lethal drugs.

The PPH has the DDMAPh mix as a 10 for reliability and peacefulness, however, the amount of pills needed to be consumed is upwards of 1000 which you'd be sure to vomit out.

This version keeps it to less pills but I'm still unsure how reliable it would be.

 

[stardewwindceres]

I know this is late, but I just joined a few days ago. Maybe you already succeeded. have almost 4g of propranolol and 600 mg of diaz. No digoxin unfortunately, but I'm going to drink a lot too. And I'm going to take some Seroquel, just for the extra peace of mind that once I fall asleep/pass out, I'll stay that way (I used to take Seroquel as a psych med and it kept me down for days)

Anyway, I'm sure you've done your research, but I just wanted to share this entry from this medical journal that helped me decide that I wanted to use Propranolol as one of OD drugs (also because I have a prescription and had enough on hand) It does cross the blood brain barrier and can cause seizures, but since you are taking benzos, that shouldn't be an issue. In my case, my mood stabilizer is also an anti-seizure drug. Anyway, if you want to read it, here it is. But it seems like the most important factor for being killed by propranolol toxicity is how much you take and the amount of time between when you take it and when/if you get found and try to be revived, i.e the longer the better.

Seizures and Irreversible Cardiogenic Shock Following Propranolol Poisoning: Report of 2 Cases and Literature Review - PMC

Propranolol, a β-blocker (BB), is one of the drugs that can be misused for suicide. The clinical manifestations of overdose can range from asymptomatic to neurological symptoms such as seizures and loss of consciousness, cardiac shock, and even ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I don't know if this helped at all or if I even should have commented, because it seems like you have it all under control. I just found that entry gave a bit more peace of mind after I read it. I think if that first lady hadn't gone to hospital almost immediately after she took the 4gs, it like would have worked. Adding in the diazepam is certainly to make it even more deadly. Respiratory depression is never a bad thing to add. Oh and you can tell me to mind my own business and shove it if you want to, for real. I hope everything works out for you and I hope you find, or if you have done it already, found some peace

 

[monkeysee2]

Still here unfortunately! I adapted the method from some documents I found in MAiD cases. But in MAiD all the drugs would be given in their raw powder form, not pills.

What I'm worried about is vomiting, even haven taken antiemetics. Another issue is the propranolol isn't reliable on its own, hence combining it with Digoxin.

People have survived taking over 4g of propranolol. Which can lead to permanent damage.

I'm starting to think the method is too risky and just to stick to SN even though it's impossible to source in the UK.

 

[stardewwindceres]

Still here unfortunately! I adapted the method from some documents I found in MAiD cases. But in MAiD all the drugs would be given in their raw powder form, not pills.

What I'm worried about is vomiting, even haven taken antiemetics. Another issue is the propranolol isn't reliable on its own, hence combining it with Digoxin.

People have survived taking over 4g of propranolol. Which can lead to permanent damage.

I'm starting to think the method is too risky and just to stick to SN even though it's impossible to source in the UK.

Oh no, I'm sorry it didn't work. (If you are, I assume so because of the "unfortunately" Damn, that really sucks. How does that not work?? I mean that's a hypothetical question but still. Yeah that is too risky. I mean, I figured it wasn't 100% but it's still always disappointing. Ofc I do have to tell you that. Did you end up in the hospital? Obviously, you don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.

I have actually been thinking about SN today. I read that sourcing it in the US is easier, but so far all I've found is sites that will only send to companies.

 

[copioushopelessness]

Oh no, I'm sorry it didn't work. (If you are, I assume so because of the "unfortunately" Damn, that really sucks. How does that not work?? I mean that's a hypothetical question but still. Yeah that is too risky. I mean, I figured it wasn't 100% but it's still always disappointing. Ofc I do have to tell you that. Did you end up in the hospital? Obviously, you don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.

I have actually been thinking about SN today. I read that sourcing it in the US is easier, but so far all I've found is sites that will only send to companies.

I don't think OP tried the method and that's why they are still here. Not trying to speak for them, it's just how I read it.

 

[stardewwindceres]

I don't think OP tried the method and that's why they are still here. Not trying to speak for them, it's just how I read it.

Oh yeah, I meant about when I said I was sorry that it didn't work, but I meant that I was sorry if they were, and then I realized I just assumed so because they said "still here unfortunely." If they were actually glad they failed then I would be glad for them, if all of that makes sense. I just didn't think. Thanks for your willingness to help clarify!!

 

[monkeysee2]

Oh yeah, I meant about when I said I was sorry that it didn't work, but I meant that I was sorry if they were, and then I realized I just assumed so because they said "still here unfortunely." If they were actually glad they failed then I would be glad for them, if all of that makes sense. I just didn't think. Thanks for your willingness to help clarify!!

I didn't try it. I'm still debating how lethal it will be. The PPH has a 10/10 reliability rating for a similar method but I don't know if that's accurate and anyone has tried it.

I'm getting desparate with the lack of availability of SN so I might just go ahead with the DDMP method. I think it has a 90% chance of killing me. I'm just worried about the opioids making me potentially vomit.

 

[stardewwindceres]

I didn't try it. I'm still debating how lethal it will be. The PPH has a 10/10 reliability rating for a similar method but I don't know if that's accurate and anyone has tried it.

I'm getting desparate with the lack of availability of SN so I might just go ahead with the DDMP method. I think it has a 90% chance of killing me. I'm just worried about the opioids making me potentially vomit.

Oh ok, I see what you're trying to do. I am about to try to find some metoclopromide or one of the other dopamine-blocker anti-emetics myself. The more I read here, the more worried I get about vomiting. Which sucks, but ultimately it's a good thing. I wasn't really factoring in that much. I think I have too much confidence in my ability to control my stomach muscles and gag reflex due to past bulimia. But I think I was just desperately coping. I hope you are able to find something.

 

[monkeysee2]

Oh ok, I see what you're trying to do. I am about to try to find some metoclopromide or one of the other dopamine-blocker anti-emetics myself. The more I read here, the more worried I get about vomiting. Which sucks, but ultimately it's a good thing. I wasn't really factoring in that much. I think I have too much confidence in my ability to control my stomach muscles and gag reflex due to past bulimia. But I think I was just desperately coping. I hope you are able to find something.

Yeah vomiting is a major issue in ODs even if you take meto. I worry about the risk of the permanent damage in the case I survive the OD. I really would prefer SN but there's practically no way to get it in the UK. I really hope another source manages to pop up.

Are you still going to go through with your OD plan?

 

[stardewwindceres]

Yeah vomiting is a major issue in ODs even if you take meto. I worry about the risk of the permanent damage in the case I survive the OD. I really would prefer SN but there's practically no way to get it in the UK. I really hope another source manages to pop up.

Are you still going to go through with your OD plan?

Honestly, now that I've joined this site and I've actually read the resources and about other peoples' experiences, I am having MAJOR reservations about it. I never thought that it was going to be a guarantee. The only evidence is anecdotal, but desperate times, you know? And it is what I had access to without having to search and wait. But now that I see there are more options with higher success rates and detailed instructions and potential access, I am seriously rethinking it. The timing of my original plan got messed up anyway, so I may as well try to figure out something more likely to be successful anyway. I can still fall back on it if everything else falls through and at least try.

I'm sorry that it is so hard to find the SN where you live. It's so torturous to feel so desperate to want to do it NOW and there is just all of these blocks. It shouldn't be so fucking hard. :(