Printed out a paper today with instructions

[Empty Smile]

Should I be found unresponsive.

I put in there that under no circumstances am I to be revived if found dead(or close to it). If found and in vegetative state, I do not want any support, by person, IV or any other needles, oxygen, or other means to keep me alive.

Far fetched from anyone listening to my final wishes. But I know my family will be trying to keep me alive. This is why I am going into the woods and not coming out, even if I fail. If the injury is bad enough, maybe I'll just lay there and die.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Should I be found unresponsive.

I put in there that under no circumstances am I to be revived if found dead(or close to it). If found and in vegetative state, I do not want any support, by person, IV or any other needles, oxygen, or other means to keep me alive.

Far fetched from anyone listening to my final wishes. But I know my family will be trying to keep me alive. This is why I am going into the woods and not coming out, even if I fail. If the injury is bad enough, maybe I'll just lay there and die.

Unless its a legal bit of paper signed by a doctor then emergency staff would ignore your request as that under the law would be them aiding in your suicide. In the uk the only i would not give life preserving treatment is if we have an original DNAR or advance directive, if the person has been down for a long time and rigor has already set in but even in that case we have to get the defib out and run a trace of the heart to be 100% certain if noone was present at the time they died. Of course there are other instances ie body has started to decompose. If a person goes in public we are taught to if possible look like we have tried to save the person as a death in public is always investigated by the NHS as to what the crew did or didnt do

 

[TAW122]

Pretty much what @Shewaitsforme said. In most cases, unless there is a medical directive on file, it will likely be ignored. I wished that DNR's are honored more oftenly, but given that there is a lot of liability and we live in a pro-life, litigious society, even medical professionals as well as first responders lean on the cautious side of things.

 

[iHeartRockArt]

Should I be found unresponsive.

I put in there that under no circumstances am I to be revived if found dead(or close to it). If found and in vegetative state, I do not want any support, by person, IV or any other needles, oxygen, or other means to keep me alive.

Far fetched from anyone listening to my final wishes. But I know my family will be trying to keep me alive. This is why I am going into the woods and not coming out, even if I fail. If the injury is bad enough, maybe I'll just lay there and die.

I understand your wishes completely. Though, you will have to fill out legal papers or have yours legalized, along with a DNR or they won't do anything and will most likely try to save you. Take a look into the legal standpoints here so you can better have what you want. Good luck.

 

[Empty Smile]

Yea, I was kind of thinking of it needing to become notarized or some shit. Only problem with that is it will raise a lot of eyebrows.

 

[Cody111]

I got a advance care form. Which has to be signed but can be by any post office or police officer, not just doctors in my area.

But how do you go about this. Give a copy to each hospital? Tape it to your arm or something so when they find you they can see it...?

 

[TiredHorse]

As an ex-EMT, I can promise you that unless you have been dead a long time, the EMS on site will ignore that piece of paper. The liability involved in not attempting resucitation is far too great for us to comply with any note.

Criteria for establishing death is pretty consistant throughout the US, and I suspect internationally as well:

"Criteria for determination of death in the field by EMTs or paramedics in LA County are stipulated by the Los Angeles County EMS Agency. These include absence of respirations, cardiac activity and neurologic reflexes, in addition to one or more of the following conditions:

decapitation;
massive crush injury;
penetrating or blunt injury with evisceration of the heart, lung or brain;
decomposition;
incineration;
blunt traumatic arrests without organized ECG activity or with extrication times exceeding 15 minutes;
drowning victims, when it's reasonably assumed that submersion has been greater than one hour;
rigor mortis;
or post-mortem lividity.

In addition, paramedics may determine death in the field for patients found in asystole whose estimated time from collapse to initiation of CPR by bystanders or EMS exceeds 10 minutes."

So you'd better be all the way dead, and be known to have been so for greater than 10 minutes before anyone starts CPR.

The idea of leaving a note saying "do not try and resucitate me" comes from the very official DNR form, which must be signed by a physician and notarized, and be immediately obvious to EMS when they arrive on scene. The times I saw them, they were taped to the bed's headboard above a patient with a terminal illness. For a suicide? Forget it. We're going to try and resucitate. It's our job.

 

[Lara Francis]

Should I be found unresponsive.

I put in there that under no circumstances am I to be revived if found dead(or close to it). If found and in vegetative state, I do not want any support, by person, IV or any other needles, oxygen, or other means to keep me alive.

Far fetched from anyone listening to my final wishes. But I know my family will be trying to keep me alive. This is why I am going into the woods and not coming out, even if I fail. If the injury is bad enough, maybe I'll just lay there and die.

Hi
Last time I brought up the question of DNR,someone suggested printing a form and then putting a false doctors signature on it because in the rush of any event,they are not going to know it's
Not real.Its so unfair and frustrating that people will not just let us die.it' s not like we have taken the decision lightly!
I hope you find peace empty smile x

 

[TiredHorse]

Its so unfair and frustrating that people will not just let us die.it' s not like we have taken the decision lightly!

True --but look at it from the point of view of the EMTs who arrive. We don't know if you've actually attempted suicide. You left a note? A note could be left by anyone wanting to make it look like a suicide when in fact it's murder. We don't know that you were the one who left that note. We don't know if you attempted suicide under duress. We don't know if some sick fuck came along after you were dead and wrote out a note to leave with the body. We just don't know, and so we can't take the chance.

 

[Lara Francis]

True --but look at it from the point of view of the EMTs who arrive. We don't know if you've actually attempted suicide. You left a note? A note could be left by anyone wanting to make it look like a suicide when in fact it's murder. We don't know that you were the one who left that note. We don't know if you attempted suicide under duress. We don't know if some sick fuck came along after you were dead and wrote out a note to leave with the body. We just don't know, and so we can't take the chance.

That is a valid point.
I never looked at it from that angle.
Key is just to make sure we are not found i guess.x

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Yep, it has to be the original, if it looks loke its just been printed out, even copied onto the correct coloured paper we still have to go ahead with treatment.

One a few jobs no DNAR was present and in one case it had been copied so instead of it being on the lilac paper it was on white paper. We had to inform the patent and patients family that if there was an event during the transfer we would have to act. Ive done alot of end of life transfers, taking the people to the place they are to die in, some who were touch and go as to whether they would even die on route but still if they 'went off' as its called we would still resusitate as failure to try would mean losing our job. Its a fine line between what the law says and whats morally right. Pumping on the chest of a frail patent who probably has only days or weeks to live its an everyday decision. The DNAR or advance directive properly completed on the correct form protects both patient and medical staff

 

[TiredHorse]

Key is just to make sure we are not found i guess.

Sadly, yes.

Perhaps one day we will evolve into a society where along with Durable Power of Attorney and Do Not Resucitate forms, we can have a Deliberate Cessation of Existence form, to be witnessed and notarized for adequate verifiability, that EMS will recognize.

But until then, we're on our own.