Venting Poverty & Suicide (Including Poll)

[FTL.Wanderer]

Earlier tonight I was looking for affordable (for me) apartments within 45 minutes drive from a new job site. The costs would more than double my current costs. I found some units within my range so Googled the reviews. Pests (bed bugs...), crime, shootings, demeaning and corrupt management... Then I searched for government or community affordable housing options. I came upon an article on a reputable news site that said that as of 2016 there was not a single county anywhere in the US that had enough affordable housing, as a function of average local income.

Those of us who're suicidal and mention we just don't want to deal with the grind of life anymore are often chastised not to "give up." The speaker usually acts as if it were a mere matter of choice. But many of us have been locked out of our culture in important practical ways--like being considered unworthy of employment (but also failing to meet any aid criteria) and, therefore, not having enough money to be able to stay alive. Pro-lifers don't want to consider this seriously. And hospitals, courts, and other professionals don't, either. You need money to be able to keep living, but acquiring it gets harder and harder for many of us. And if you're over 30...

I've been reading over the years about people who commit suicide in the West because they just can't afford to stay alive anymore. Since more and more communities are making homelessness and poverty into crimes, including law enforcement harassment and fines, even if someone opted for homelessness over leaving the world, there remain lots of hurdles beyond the obvious. State governments (OR, WA, CO, WI...) have even passed laws claiming they OWN natural resources like rainwater and wind and prohibiting citizens' free use of them. So where are the poor supposed to go and what are we supposed to survive off of?

Whenever I think, just maybe, I could trudge through another year, life confirms I'm just not the right kind of person to be able to. A poster here recently wrote that life's a sh*tfest. And another poster wrote that life is about competition and some of us just get screwed by the system.

You'd think with all of this, people would just realize that since they don't want--have no use for--so many of us, it would be compassionate to let those of us who aren't well adapted to this world to leave quickly, cleanly, and painlessly.

 

[Mrs.O'Leary'sCow]

I don't know which causative factor bears the largest share of responsibility for the U.S. suicide rate reaching its highest point in fifty years, but if I had to make a bet I'd place it on what you've described above. And our prevailing policymakers' response has been a huge tax cut for the wealthy and a concerted effort to eliminate the estate tax completely. They'll assuage their tortured consciences by flooding the media with suicide hotline numbers.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/07/new-fronts-in-the-war-on-the-poor
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/09/now-that-weve-solved-racism-its-time-to-tackle-poverty
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/04/home-care-workers-future-work
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/08/rents
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/04/business-insider-tries-kick-off-peoples-revolution
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/05/unaffordable-housing
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/it-is-expensive-to-be-poor/282979/

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Maybe you should pull on your bootstraps a little harder!

...But seriously, yeah, the US has very little "safety nets" and housing is a major problem. Combine that with rapid automation and we are headed for disaster.

 

[suffering]

I feel you. I'm close to homelessness as well if I don't find a good job soon and I have no safety net, I come from an abusive family and I'm all alone. I try to trick myself into looking at it at some sort of adventure, the person who starts from 0, the "orphan" who faces life, etc. But the truth is that I can barely allow myself to think of the full situation. Any sickness or disaster would probably destroy me, I'm such in a fragile spot. And I also have to live with the knowledge of my survival instinct being too high, so I can't view suicide as an option anymore. I just wish I could go somewhere and be shot. I hate this world and all the pro life rules that keep us chained. Humanity is a sick joke.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I feel you. I'm close to homelessness as well if I don't find a good job soon and I have no safety net, I come from an abusive family and I'm all alone. I try to trick myself into looking at it at some sort of adventure, the person who starts from 0, the "orphan" who faces life, etc. But the truth is that I can barely allow myself to think of the full situation. Any sickness or disaster would probably destroy me, I'm such in a fragile spot. And I also have to live with the knowledge of my survival instinct being too high, so I can't view suicide as an option anymore. I just wish I could go somewhere and be shot. I hate this world and all the pro life rules that keep us chained. Humanity is a sick joke.

I wish I could do something for you. For many people like us. Most of my colleagues are European. They were telling me a few days ago how in Europe if people don't have family when they're old they get help from the state so they can stay in their homes. Meanwhile in the US many elders who've lost everything have to brave the streets...

I also really like your comment, "the knowledge of my survival instinct being too high." Combined with a heavy cultural pro-life bias just about everywhere, the out that suicide might otherwise present to those of us who didn't "succeed" by the world's standards is often not available anymore. We don't even have access to the merciful euthanasia our pets do. You're absolutely right: "I can barely allow myself to think of the full situation."

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Totally agree with all of it, also you need a fishing license and hunters license to be able to do either; hunting food as humans has done for hundreds of thousands years has in the last 50 years become illegal "When you make nature illegal freedom seize to exist"

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

They'll assuage their tortured consciences by flooding the media with suicide hotline numbers.

Thank you for taking the time to post all these great links. A prime difference between YouTube, Reddit and this site is that on the others your post would have immediately been followed by scores of people who didn't click on any of your links but who'd be salivating as they threatened you, your parents, and your children, born or not, for daring to challenge the standing economic religion. :)

 

[Final Escape]

Earlier tonight I was looking for affordable (for me) apartments within 45 minutes drive from a new job site. The costs would more than double my current costs. I found some units within my range so Googled the reviews. Pests (bed bugs...), crime, shootings, demeaning and corrupt management... Then I searched for government or community affordable housing options. I came upon an article on a reputable news site that said that as of 2016 there was not a single county anywhere in the US that had enough affordable housing, as a function of average local income.

Those of us who're suicidal and mention we just don't want to deal with the grind of life anymore are often chastised not to "give up." The speaker usually acts as if it were a mere matter of choice. But many of us have been locked out of our culture in important practical ways--like being considered unworthy of employment (but also failing to meet any aid criteria) and, therefore, not having enough money to be able to stay alive. Pro-lifers don't want to consider this seriously. And hospitals, courts, and other professionals don't, either. You need money to be able to keep living, but acquiring it gets harder and harder for many of us. And if you're over 30...

I've been reading over the years about people who commit suicide in the West because they just can't afford to stay alive anymore. Since more and more communities are making homelessness and poverty into crimes, including law enforcement harassment and fines, even if someone opted for homelessness over leaving the world, there remain lots of hurdles beyond the obvious. State governments (OR, WA, CO, WI...) have even passed laws claiming they OWN natural resources like rainwater and wind and prohibiting citizens' free use of them. So where are the poor supposed to go and what are we supposed to survive off of?

Whenever I think, just maybe, I could trudge through another year, life confirms I'm just not the right kind of person to be able to. A poster here recently wrote that life's a sh*tfest. And another poster wrote that life is about competition and some of us just get screwed by the system.

You'd think with all of this, people would just realize that since they don't want--have no use for--so many of us, it would be compassionate to let those of us who aren't well adapted to this world to leave quickly, cleanly, and painlessly.

Yes, you read my mind. I'd love to keep living until old age if I could afford it and do it with dignity. But that's not feasible.

 

[Mrs.O'Leary'sCow]

Thank you for taking the time to post all these great links. A prime difference between YouTube, Reddit and this site is that on the others your post would have immediately been followed by scores of people who didn't click on any of your links but who'd be salivating as they threatened you, your parents, and your children, born or not, for daring to challenge the standing economic religion. :)

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to share you personal experiences and creating the poll. You're absolutely spot on about the difference between comments here and those other sites. The mods do a great job of preventing disagreements from erupting into flame wars without suppressing the expression of unpopular opinions.

 

[Logic]

I am all for the universal income. BBeing very well off, poverty has nothing to do with me choosing suicide.

 

[TAW122]

Poverty is one of the reasons that I am looking into suicide, but of course, it isn't the main one nor the only one. I wouldn't really have an ultimate reason, but some of my other major reasons include having the dreadful condition Aspergers, social anxiety and general anxiety (which has gotten worse over the years), and then of course, failing to achievement certain dream goals and personal goals as well as some personal (complex and hard to explain) inner reasons that only I know.

I am all for the universal income. BBeing very well off, poverty has nothing to do with me choosing suicide.

I second this. UBI cannot come fast enough and I don't know if it will be a thing in the US. There is talk about it years ago, but nothing much going on in the recent years...

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I am all for the universal income. BBeing very well off, poverty has nothing to do with me choosing suicide.

I agree with the concept of a UBI, but I fear that this would, like government subsidization of higher ed in the US through loans has motivated universities to raise prices to match loan availability, just encourage service and product owners (like landlords) to increase the cost of goods and services (like rents) to match and surpass the UBI. Thanks for sharing...

 

[Logic]

I agree with the concept of a UBI, but I fear that this would, like government subsidization of higher ed in the US through loans has motivated universities to raise prices to match loan availability, just encourage service and product owners (like landlords) to the cost of goods and services (like rents) to match and surpass the UBI. Thanks for sharing...

Alaska has always had a small UBI. Yet this has not impacted the cost of goods and services.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Alaska has always had a small UBI. Yet this has not impacted the cost of goods and services.

Alaska's Permanent Fund Dividend is about $1000 per year per person--less than $100/month per person (recently slashed from $2000/person/year with oil production slow-downs). Most UBI proposals are far higher, enough for people to actually survive on. And the dynamics of the AK oil industry dynamics (small population, vast natural resources industry wealth) likely aren't representative of how UBI would have to work in the rest of the US. If a UBI is significantly more than $100/month/person, I'm confident some/many landlords and other vital service providers would likely raise prices.

 

[waived]

I'm upper 90 percentile certain that UBI won't work to the extent most people hope it will.

 

[Chinaski]

I'm upper 90 percentile certain that UBI won't work to the extent most people hope it will.

Same. I'm equally certain that the introduction of the UBI in the UK will ultimately lead to an erosion of what remains of our vital public services on a whopping scale and G4S will be the main beneficiary, sadly.

 

[Logic]

Alaska's Permanent Fund Dividend is about $1000 per year per person--less than $100/month per person (recently slashed from $2000/person/year with oil production slow-downs). Most UBI proposals are far higher, enough for people to actually survive on. And the dynamics of the AK oil industry dynamics (small population, vast natural resources industry wealth) likely aren't representative of how UBI would have to work in the rest of the US. If a UBI is significantly more than $100/month/person, I'm confident some/many landlords and other vital service providers would likely raise prices.

You are confident based on a feeling? Based on what?

 

[Logic]

I agree with the concept of a UBI, but I fear that this would, like government subsidization of higher ed in the US through loans has motivated universities to raise prices to match loan availability, just encourage service and product owners (like landlords) to increase the cost of goods and services (like rents) to match and surpass the UBI. Thanks for sharing...

To be fair most universities are free or close to it in most countries-which I would argue is more representative of a UBI. Ie universal health care has to my knowledge darastically cut health care cost everywhere it has been implemented not vise versa.

 

[waived]

To be fair most universities are free or close to it in most countries-which I would argue is more representative of a UBI. Ie universal health care has to my knowledge darastically cut health care cost everywhere it has been implemented not vise versa.

In your opinion, how will UBI, or the situations it creates, function differently under capital than any other service or system?

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

You are confident based on a feeling? Based on what?

I'm not here, on a suicide site, to engage in political arguments. You're free to believe what you wish. I don't believe UBI would work, though I like the concept. Cheers.

 

[divinized]

I definitely think it's a significant factor. I relate somewhat towards what the user suffering said. When I was younger I'd always tell myself that things will be better as time passes. That I'll work my way up and everything would be fine financially because that's what I see in movies and news stories. But that seems like a slim chance now. I feel as though it's much harder to work your way up from poverty and those dreams most likely won't come to reality.

 

[Armadillo]

Don't know what to answer tbh.

My poverty is caused by my condition and not vice versa. Money would help a lot of course but someone that weren't a pathetic excuse for a human being in my position would be in a far better economic situation.

 

[NoOneKnows]

this what I noticed in lot of people and not only when it comes to money

 

[21Neberg]

I definitely think it's a significant factor. I relate somewhat towards what the user suffering said. When I was younger I'd always tell myself that things will be better as time passes. That I'll work my way up and everything would be fine financially because that's what I see in movies and news stories. But that seems like a slim chance now. I feel as though it's much harder to work your way up from poverty and those dreams most likely won't come to reality.

It is extremely hard. Most days I feel like the amount of people who truly care for one another are decreasing on this earth, we're truly left to ourselves.