Method Potassium Nitrite Failure

[ferrie]

An awkward post to make, especially since I'm not entirely sure where I went wrong, but I figured I'd share this information while I reassess. This morning I attempted using 22g of potassium nitrite. Obviously I survived the attempt. I know it may seem odd that I'm not in the hospital or anything, but honestly I don't think medical intervention is necessary & I wasn't caught. My first thought is that maybe my scale isn't calibrated correctly, so I might have taken a smaller dose than intended. I also puked a little over ten minutes after ingestion which should theoretically be enough time for a sufficient amount to enter the bloodstream, but this is where the science gets more speculative than measurable. I was not able to ingest a second dose. I was able to text someone throughout the entire process, so I'm referencing those messages so I don't forget any symptoms. For the first ten minutes, my only complaints were tachycardia pounding in my ears, burning in my chest that was just heat not pain, and tingling hands. I was able to make it to bed across the house after ingestion. The heat in my chest began to build & I knew I needed to vomit. Stomach acid came up, not just phlegm, so I know I lost at least some of the salt. Stupidly, I got up to vomit in the bathroom instead of having a bucket with me, and on the way back to bed I blacked out & had a seizure. I have a lot of chronic health problems & have had focal seizures before, so my experience may not be normal. I will say though that I didn't feel anything during the seizure. I wasn't aware I was having one until it was over, and I hit the bedframe with the back of my head & middle of my back but didn't feel the bruising/pain until hours later. After the seizure I felt pretty normal again. There was slight tachycardia, slight burning in my abdomen & hands, and I felt really hot. I had prepared an ice pack to already be in the bed with me, so that helped a lot. I also had a slightly worse headache than normal, but I've had a headache 24/7 for 8 years so another symptom to take with a grain of salt. Other than that, I wouldn't say that I felt any pain during the process. I stayed awake for an hour after ingestion before giving up & taking a nap for another hour. It's now been 5 hours since I woke up. I told someone about the seizure but obviously not the potassium nitrite. Since I've woken up, my symptoms have been relatively the same at the same intensity. I'm running a low grade fever & had pretty intense cyanosis that is just beginning to fade. The slight burning in my abdomen & hands is still there, but I wouldn't call it painful. The only pain I have from the whole thing is the headache & the dumbass injuries from walking around. I don't expect to need to seek medical attention unless my fever goes down. Now I'm just left sitting around like I didn't attempt earlier & stewing on what I could have done wrong

 

[CantDoIt]

Oh dang, I'm so sorry you're going through this! Try to take care of yourself during recovery. Surprised that 22g didn't do it, it's nearly the recommended dose. Did you take any anti-emetics?

 

[ferrie]

Oh dang, I'm so sorry you're going through this! Try to take care of yourself during recovery. Surprised that 22g didn't do it, it's nearly the recommended dose. Did you take any anti-emetics?

22g should have been the right dose for my weight, so that's why I'm suspecting my scale may be off. Not really a true way to know. Definitely taking care of myself! I pounded a whole large fry once I was able to stomach food lol. I took 30mg of meto & 8mg of ondansetron

 

[KillingPain267]

Assuming you'll be fine long term (which you most likely will) this is the outcome I hope from a failure with SN/PN or similar. No hospital, no psych ward, no medical record of ctb attempt, no family who will forever selfishly take away my remaining freedom and privacy in order to "save" me just to avoid their own emotions. But the fact that I'll most likely freak out and seek emergency care, everything will be discovered and the latter will be the outcome. Then I'll ironically be even more suicidal but have less time and means to do it more peacefully and painlessly.

 

[ferrie]

Assuming you'll be fine long term (which you most likely will) this is the outcome I hope from a failure with SN/PN or similar. No hospital, no psych ward, no medical record of ctb attempt, no family who will forever selfishly take away my remaining freedom and privacy in order to "save" me just to avoid their own emotions.

I've already had the vast majority of my freedom & privacy taken away bc of an attempt in March, so I feel you there. I'm also somewhat lucky that I have major health problems, so all of the symptoms of this can be explained away

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm sorry you had to go through all this, trying to die going wrong is exactly what I'd fear but anyway best wishes, I hope that you don't suffer too much from this.

 

[timetodie24]

An awkward post to make, especially since I'm not entirely sure where I went wrong, but I figured I'd share this information while I reassess. This morning I attempted using 22g of potassium nitrite. Obviously I survived the attempt. I know it may seem odd that I'm not in the hospital or anything, but honestly I don't think medical intervention is necessary & I wasn't caught. My first thought is that maybe my scale isn't calibrated correctly, so I might have taken a smaller dose than intended. I also puked a little over ten minutes after ingestion which should theoretically be enough time for a sufficient amount to enter the bloodstream, but this is where the science gets more speculative than measurable. I was not able to ingest a second dose. I was able to text someone throughout the entire process, so I'm referencing those messages so I don't forget any symptoms. For the first ten minutes, my only complaints were tachycardia pounding in my ears, burning in my chest that was just heat not pain, and tingling hands. I was able to make it to bed across the house after ingestion. The heat in my chest began to build & I knew I needed to vomit. Stomach acid came up, not just phlegm, so I know I lost at least some of the salt. Stupidly, I got up to vomit in the bathroom instead of having a bucket with me, and on the way back to bed I blacked out & had a seizure. I have a lot of chronic health problems & have had focal seizures before, so my experience may not be normal. I will say though that I didn't feel anything during the seizure. I wasn't aware I was having one until it was over, and I hit the bedframe with the back of my head & middle of my back but didn't feel the bruising/pain until hours later. After the seizure I felt pretty normal again. There was slight tachycardia, slight burning in my abdomen & hands, and I felt really hot. I had prepared an ice pack to already be in the bed with me, so that helped a lot. I also had a slightly worse headache than normal, but I've had a headache 24/7 for 8 years so another symptom to take with a grain of salt. Other than that, I wouldn't say that I felt any pain during the process. I stayed awake for an hour after ingestion before giving up & taking a nap for another hour. It's now been 5 hours since I woke up. I told someone about the seizure but obviously not the potassium nitrite. Since I've woken up, my symptoms have been relatively the same at the same intensity. I'm running a low grade fever & had pretty intense cyanosis that is just beginning to fade. The slight burning in my abdomen & hands is still there, but I wouldn't call it painful. The only pain I have from the whole thing is the headache & the dumbass injuries from walking around. I don't expect to need to seek medical attention unless my fever goes down. Now I'm just left sitting around like I didn't attempt earlier & stewing on what I could have done wrong

I'm so sorry, that sounds so horrible and confusing for you . Can only imagine how awful it feels. It sounds like you had really researched and prepared so must be so frustrating. I hope your remaining symptoms ease soon. I do think it'd be best to get checked out given how much you took, and chances of complications or organ damage, but I do understand the ramifications of that. So i hope if you can't, that at least you feel better soon and don't have longer term ill effects .

 

[ferrie]

I'm so sorry, that sounds so horrible and confusing for you . Can only imagine how awful it feels. It sounds like you had really researched and prepared so must be so frustrating. I hope your remaining symptoms ease soon. I do think it'd be best to get checked out given how much you took, and chances of complications or organ damage, but I do understand the ramifications of that. So i hope if you can't, that at least you feel better soon and don't have longer term ill effects .

Thank you It's definitely been a frustrating experience. Tomorrow was the absolute last day that I could cope being alive for, so I'm kind of at a loss more than anything. I did intensively research this method & personally talked with people hours before they used it themselves, so it not working out once I finally got myself to be able to do it is kind of a shock to the system. You're right I should get checked out, but idk what they would do at this stage especially since I won't tell them I took anything. The symptoms I'm left with really aren't that bothersome except the fever. Though I should probably get checked out for a concussion tbr. My neck & the back of my head hurt like a motherfucker

 

[timetodie24]

Thank you It's definitely been a frustrating experience. Tomorrow was the absolute last day that I could cope being alive for, so I'm kind of at a loss more than anything. I did intensively research this method & personally talked with people hours before they used it themselves, so it not working out once I finally got myself to be able to do it is kind of a shock to the system. You're right I should get checked out, but idk what they would do at this stage especially since I won't tell them I took anything. The symptoms I'm left with really aren't that bothersome except the fever. Though I should probably get checked out for a concussion tbr. My neck & the back of my head hurt like a motherfucker

It's an awful lot to process. I know there can be comfort in having a plan ready when you're suffering and now it's uncertain that must be really hard. I'm so sorry that life has become so unbearable for you. Whilst it's always good to see you here, I'm sorry you weren't able to find peace yet. Sorry I'm shit with words but I will be thinking of you
I hope your head and neck ease soon. The last thing you need on top of all this . I guess you could mention the seizure and just get checked for concussion as long as not doing other tests that might make them suspicious.

 

[ferrie]

It's an awful lot to process. I know there can be comfort in having a plan ready when you're suffering and now it's uncertain that must be really hard. I'm so sorry that life has become so unbearable for you. Whilst it's always good to see you here, I'm sorry you weren't able to find peace yet. Sorry I'm shit with words but I will be thinking of you
I hope your head and neck ease soon. The last thing you need on top of all this . I guess you could mention the seizure and just get checked for concussion as long as not doing other tests that might make them sususpicious.

I don't think you're shit with words! I really appreciate the sentiment It's nice to see you around too. I've been worried about your plan with the road going awry. Hopefully we're both able to find some peace someday & take what comfort we can in the meantime.
I'm icing my head & neck now, so the pain is easing a little bit. If it's still bothering me in the morning I might try to convince someone to take me to urgent care. The cyanosis is mostly gone at this point, so I don't think anything would point them to methemoglobinemia

 

[lilmisswbd2cbt]

I'm so sorry you seemed so well researched & prepared! do you think you will attempt again? I know you didn't test your KN but were sure of its purity—what the heck it's sad when these "miracles" are quite the opposite of the one(s) we were hoping for, wishing you a speedy recovery & knowledge as to what went wrong this time

 

[ferrie]

I'm so sorry you seemed so well researched & prepared! do you think you will attempt again? I know you didn't test your KN but were sure of its purity—what the heck it's sad when these "miracles" are quite the opposite of the one(s) we were hoping for, wishing you a speedy recovery & knowledge as to what went wrong this time

Thank you for the well wishes I will definitely attempt again. I still feel sure of the purity. My symptoms are directly in line with just taking too little of it. I'm unsure if I'll stick the path with this method bc if the scale really is the problem, I can't replace it & don't like guessing at measurements. The taste was also AWFUL, so it would be a mind game to swallow again

 

[J&L383]

It does sound like the vomiting ejected too much material. Although, as you said, enough should have been left to do the job. But it's hard to quantify the science. I'm glad that the fallout does not seem significant.

Thank you for sharing your experience, it's useful.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I'm sorry you went through that. Wishing you fortitude.

 

[timetodie24]

How are you feeling today @ferrie ?

 

[ferrie]

How are you feeling today @ferrie ?

Yesterday was pretty terrible. I was vomiting all day. There were events yesterday that I did not want to be alive for, so the anxiety & stress definitely made it worse. I do have full body pain & a stiff neck, and my tremor has gotten worse. I think most of the effects I'm feeling are from bouncing off the bed frame when I fell during the seizure though & not necessarily side effects of the KN. Not being able to keep anything down is making it worse though. I also have only slept for 5 hours in the past 4 doors, so just really struggling. I'm gonna talk to my RN about the seizure & everything tomorrow without mentioning the attempt

 

[timetodie24]

Yesterday was pretty terrible. I was vomiting all day. There were events yesterday that I did not want to be alive for, so the anxiety & stress definitely made it worse. I do have full body pain & a stiff neck, and my tremor has gotten worse. I think most of the effects I'm feeling are from bouncing off the bed frame when I fell during the seizure though & not necessarily side effects of the KN. Not being able to keep anything down is making it worse though. I also have only slept for 5 hours in the past 4 doors, so just really struggling. I'm gonna talk to my RN about the seizure & everything tomorrow without mentioning the attempt

I'm really sorry to hear how unwell you've been feeling. It sounds so physically and mentally exhausting for you I hope you feel better soon and manage to get more sleep.

 

[ferrie]

I'm really sorry to hear how unwell you've been feeling. It sounds so physically and mentally exhausting for you I hope you feel better soon and manage to get more sleep.

Thank you so much I get to rest for at least a few days now, so I'm hoping relaxing will settle things some

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I hope you recover quickly. Don't be too hard to yourself.

 

[PhDone]

An awkward post to make, especially since I'm not entirely sure where I went wrong, but I figured I'd share this information while I reassess. This morning I attempted using 22g of potassium nitrite. Obviously I survived the attempt. I know it may seem odd that I'm not in the hospital or anything, but honestly I don't think medical intervention is necessary & I wasn't caught. My first thought is that maybe my scale isn't calibrated correctly, so I might have taken a smaller dose than intended. I also puked a little over ten minutes after ingestion which should theoretically be enough time for a sufficient amount to enter the bloodstream, but this is where the science gets more speculative than measurable. I was not able to ingest a second dose. I was able to text someone throughout the entire process, so I'm referencing those messages so I don't forget any symptoms. For the first ten minutes, my only complaints were tachycardia pounding in my ears, burning in my chest that was just heat not pain, and tingling hands. I was able to make it to bed across the house after ingestion. The heat in my chest began to build & I knew I needed to vomit. Stomach acid came up, not just phlegm, so I know I lost at least some of the salt. Stupidly, I got up to vomit in the bathroom instead of having a bucket with me, and on the way back to bed I blacked out & had a seizure. I have a lot of chronic health problems & have had focal seizures before, so my experience may not be normal. I will say though that I didn't feel anything during the seizure. I wasn't aware I was having one until it was over, and I hit the bedframe with the back of my head & middle of my back but didn't feel the bruising/pain until hours later. After the seizure I felt pretty normal again. There was slight tachycardia, slight burning in my abdomen & hands, and I felt really hot. I had prepared an ice pack to already be in the bed with me, so that helped a lot. I also had a slightly worse headache than normal, but I've had a headache 24/7 for 8 years so another symptom to take with a grain of salt. Other than that, I wouldn't say that I felt any pain during the process. I stayed awake for an hour after ingestion before giving up & taking a nap for another hour. It's now been 5 hours since I woke up. I told someone about the seizure but obviously not the potassium nitrite. Since I've woken up, my symptoms have been relatively the same at the same intensity. I'm running a low grade fever & had pretty intense cyanosis that is just beginning to fade. The slight burning in my abdomen & hands is still there, but I wouldn't call it painful. The only pain I have from the whole thing is the headache & the dumbass injuries from walking around. I don't expect to need to seek medical attention unless my fever goes down. Now I'm just left sitting around like I didn't attempt earlier & stewing on what I could have done wrong

So goddam sorry to read this. How are you now?

You say you werent able to take a second dose, can I ask why that was? D'you think if you had it would have worked? I'm guessing no benzo's? I know if the SN hasnt worked the benzos would just put you to sleep for a long time and not impact death. What a bloody mentally challenging situation for you as much as anything. And alone too. Agonising. I truly hope you are ok, or if you've repeated your attempt have managed to ctb peacefully and successfully. Thanks for the courage to share.

 

[ferrie]

So goddam sorry to read this. How are you now?

You say you werent able to take a second dose, can I ask why that was? D'you think if you had it would have worked? I'm guessing no benzo's? I know if the SN hasnt worked the benzos would just put you to sleep for a long time and not impact death. What a bloody mentally challenging situation for you as much as anything. And alone too. Agonising. I truly hope you are ok, or if you've repeated your attempt have managed to ctb peacefully and successfully. Thanks for the courage to share.

Thank you. I think I'm doing okay now. I have some physical health conditions, so it's hard to tell if there are any long term effects from the attempt. From what I can tell though, the worst of it was a concussion from the seizure.

I wasn't able to make myself drink a second dose because the taste was so vile. With how much I threw up too, I knew I would start vomiting as soon as the second dose hit my stomach, making it virtually useless. My stomach is usually fairly strong & I took an AE, but the reaction I had was pretty strong. I did take benzos but not a megadose, so they probably mostly came up. I only took about an hour nap.

It was a pretty rough situation & very emotionally exhausting to say the least. I don't think I've fully processed it still. The days following were very conflicting for me with just life stuff, and I think my perspective has changed a lot. As of right now I'm trying to give recovery a shot again bc I have a treatment that's working & I'm considering telling a friend about the attempt. Getting away with it without anyone knowing even with how blue I turned is weighing on me. I do still have ideations, but I don't think I would try this method again unless I had no other option or I had a throat numbing spray to get around the taste

 

[PhDone]

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Thank you. I think I'm doing okay now. I have some physical health conditions, so it's hard to tell if there are any long term effects from the attempt. From what I can tell though, the worst of it was a concussion from the seizure.

I wasn't able to make myself drink a second dose because the taste was so vile. With how much I threw up too, I knew I would start vomiting as soon as the second dose hit my stomach, making it virtually useless. My stomach is usually fairly strong & I took an AE, but the reaction I had was pretty strong. I did take benzos but not a megadose, so they probably mostly came up. I only took about an hour nap.

It was a pretty rough situation & very emotionally exhausting to say the least. I don't think I've fully processed it still. The days following were very conflicting for me with just life stuff, and I think my perspective has changed a lot. As of right now I'm trying to give recovery a shot again bc I have a treatment that's working & I'm considering telling a friend about the attempt. Getting away with it without anyone knowing even with how blue I turned is weighing on me. I do still have ideations, but I don't think I would try this method again unless I had no other option or I had a throat numbing spray to get around the taste

Oh man. This just sounds like such a nightmare. I guess you would have know after the vomiting that you were in 'trouble'. But like you say, then what? A second dose that causes worse and more immediate vomiting. Shit

Did you do it at home? I worry about using a hotel room and finding myself unsuccessful and not enough days to recover well enough to return home.

This shit is utterly traumatising!

Well done though on committing to recovery now. Maybe the positive thats come from your nightmare is setting you on a course to getting your life back. Wishing you the absolute best.

 

[ferrie]

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Oh man. This just sounds like such a nightmare. I guess you would have know after the vomiting that you were in 'trouble'. But like you say, then what? A second dose that causes worse and more immediate vomiting. Shit

Did you do it at home? I worry about using a hotel room and finding myself unsuccessful and not enough days to recover well enough to return home.

This shit is utterly traumatising!

Well done though on committing to recovery now. Maybe the positive thats come from your nightmare is setting you on a course to getting your life back. Wishing you the absolute best.

I did it at home in the middle of the day with people in the house & didn't get caught. Obviously I didn't reach a point where I had a death rattle though.

Yeah it was pretty traumatizing. I was completely at peace during the process, but the further I get from it the more fucked up it seems.

Thank you I'm really hoping I get my life back too

 

[kvsvenky100]

Hey, any idea on how to prevent seizures while taking SN/KN? Also, is it violent enough to throw you off the bed?

 

[ferrie]

Hey, any idea on how to prevent seizures while taking SN/KN? Also, is it violent enough to throw you off the bed?

There is no way I can think of that would prevent seizures of this manner. There are seizure prevention medications, but they have to build up in your system over weeks & I don't know if they would do anything when the cause is a poisoning. There are many different types of seizures, so how violent they are can vary from case to case. I had a tonic clonic seizure, and it was definitely violent enough that it could have made me fall out of bed. I fell during the seizure so don't have completely accurate information on the physical effects of the seizure on its own, but I was sore & physically weak for about a weak after. I also had pain in my neck, but that could have been from the concussion

 

[rozeske]

Is there any particular reason you chose potassium nitrite? I don't think you should try with it again if you choose to do a second attempt.

 

[ferrie]

Is there any particular reason you chose potassium nitrite? I don't think you should try with it again if you choose to do a second attempt.

It was easier to acquire than SN & there have been confirmed cases using potassium nitrite with the same dosage calculations I posted. I am currently trying to focus on recovery after this attempt, but I would not attempt with any nitrite compounds again unless there were no other options

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Thank you for the well wishes I will definitely attempt again. I still feel sure of the purity. My symptoms are directly in line with just taking too little of it. I'm unsure if I'll stick the path with this method bc if the scale really is the problem, I can't replace it & don't like guessing at measurements. The taste was also AWFUL, so it would be a mind game to swallow again

In case no one has mentioned it, you can attempt to calibrate your scale with something with the weight equivalent of an American dime (10 cents) —- it should read 0.5g (I believe this is the right number, if someone wants to correct me feel free)

 

[ferrie]

In case no one has mentioned it, you can attempt to calibrate your scale with something with the weight equivalent of an American dime (10 cents) —- it should read 0.5g (I believe this is the right number, if someone wants to correct me feel free)

I'm no longer planning on attempting again & believe my failure was ultimately just the vomiting & not the scale, but this is useful information for others

 

[opheliaoveragain]

I'm no longer planning on attempting again & believe my failure was ultimately just the vomiting & not the scale, but this is useful information for others

My bad everyone, I meant to say a US NICKEL. Not a dime. Wishing you the best OP.