DoNotLet2
Wizard
- Oct 14, 2019
- 684
Hello
This is a very long post obviously.
Disclaimer: I don't want to insult anyone personally I'm just telling my opinion about some trends and behaviors. Feel free to disagree. Pardon my style in English and lack of commas, I'm still learning. I prefer not to use commas at all because I don't understand them. So be calm we both can have different opinions and it's fine. I'm not insulting anyone personally. I know that I might be unaware of something so why not inform me about that nicely?
I was postponing writing this thread for months but last video from "English with Lucy" provoked me to write it eventually. This is probably my first thread in which I will get some replies against. Don't read any further if you didn't read the disclaimer first.
In old days there was no democracy but now we have some democracy and they lie that everybody can speak out. People from minorities started to speak out. But only those people from minorities who matter. Let's be honest not everybody is allowed to be listened out which is sad.
So we got this very small group of minorities' representatives who talk to a huge audience. What they are talking about? About discrimination of course. But most of those people aren't experts they are just expressing their feelings and experience. And many of those are people who were severely abused were in toxic relationships and they are basically toxic because of that. Because when you're in a toxic environment you don't understand the society very well. You know it when an abusive parent becomes abusive themselves. Or when everybody shouts at you without a reason you begin to think that shouting without a reason is ok. And here I want to stress that I'm not blaming those people. I just say what I don't like. But I also have to say that there are many non toxic people from minorities who speak out too. This thread is about the toxic people not about the fine people.
Ehh it's hard to talk about political correctness and being politically correct at the same time so let's be honest. How do you define discrimination? I define it that way 1. "I can't do what I should be allowed to do as at least one person breaks my law to be free because of the traits I can't control such as disability, gender, race and many others". Toxic people define discrimination that way 2."someone from the majority disagrees with me or they use the words I don't like". You see the difference? In the latter case the person isn't necessarily harmed yet they still feel discriminated. In both cases the discrimination is considered to be bad behavior. So the people are trying to fight it.
Yes they are trying to fight disagreement! And here we come to the definition of political correctness. It's avoiding to commit the second kind of the discrimination being the definition number 2.
Examples:
- the one mentioned at the beginning of the post. Lucy is a teacher who teaches English. It was always obvious for me that when you teach someone English you tell them to have perfect accent and it's not discriminating someone with an other accent. Yet she was accused of discriminating. When you learn Polish you aren't taught Silesian accent are you? Is it discriminating to people who have Silesian accent? No? Then how was Lucy discriminating people?
- DissociaDID was called racist because she said that one of her alters being Nadia isn't White while the entire system of DissociaDID has a White body. If you know something about the topic of Dissociative Identity Disorder you will know that alters can be anything like people but also fairies, ghosts or half human half animal. They aren't created voluntarily it's a result of very severe trauma. In my opinion they should have simply tell her that she shouldn't say so because it's harmful for the Black community. It would fix the problem. I'm sure Dissocia wasn't racist she was simply unaware of the problem.
- my situation that happened thrice with 3 different people but once it wasn't serious. I am autistic and I was called an ableist because I argued with an "autistic person". How did it look like? I said something that dude disagreed. So he/she started to have meltdown and accused me of causing this meltdown because of being intolerant!
There are more and more examples but I think 3 is enough. What is the problem? It's not about me or Lucy or DissociaDID. It's about the freedom of speech and the discrimination type 1. Freedom of speech is because now you can't have your own opinion you have to agree with a minority. What happens if for example two lesbians have two very distinct opinions? Which side should I take if I can't stay silent? Are both options good or both bad? If you understand the problem you probably already noticed that it makes more inequality! But it's a reverse inequality - it used to be "majority better than minority" and political correctness make it "minority better than majority". Equality is "minority=majority". So how are we supposed to talk to each other?!
The second problem is that political correctness makes us go back to the times of full discrimination to all minorities! How? It's simple. An "autistic person" (I can't tell if they are really autistic or just faking) gets a tantrum because of disagreeing with someone. People notice it and they think that something is wrong with autistic people in general. And now in Poland I see so much hate against people with autism like me "people with autism are dangerous, they should learn at the same schools as normal children, they are the worst possible students". And I'm not lying I'm just loosely translating the comments into English! The same goes for Black community, LGBTQIAP+ and feminists. People instead seeing the minorities as equal people they see us some wild animals. Don't feel insulted by me I'm just telling what I see. The discrimination type 1. gets worse not better from political correctness.
So what is the solution in my opinion? It's pretty simple. Stop the political correctness and spread awareness!! You know all those influencers who spread awareness? It's good. Minorities should basically try their best to explain the way they see the world. Instead of saying 3. "you're a goddamn ableist" say 4."you're saying things to me that are hurtful such as <insert those hurtful things here> and you should stop". The 3. doesn't have any explanation of the problem. The 4. has and it lets people get better. Don't expect people to read your mind no one can do it. That's why I appreciate all the influencers that spread awareness such as Jessica Kellgren-Fozard or DissociaDID.
I hope I didn't insult anyone by my thread. What do you guys think?
This is a very long post obviously.
Disclaimer: I don't want to insult anyone personally I'm just telling my opinion about some trends and behaviors. Feel free to disagree. Pardon my style in English and lack of commas, I'm still learning. I prefer not to use commas at all because I don't understand them. So be calm we both can have different opinions and it's fine. I'm not insulting anyone personally. I know that I might be unaware of something so why not inform me about that nicely?
I was postponing writing this thread for months but last video from "English with Lucy" provoked me to write it eventually. This is probably my first thread in which I will get some replies against. Don't read any further if you didn't read the disclaimer first.
In old days there was no democracy but now we have some democracy and they lie that everybody can speak out. People from minorities started to speak out. But only those people from minorities who matter. Let's be honest not everybody is allowed to be listened out which is sad.
So we got this very small group of minorities' representatives who talk to a huge audience. What they are talking about? About discrimination of course. But most of those people aren't experts they are just expressing their feelings and experience. And many of those are people who were severely abused were in toxic relationships and they are basically toxic because of that. Because when you're in a toxic environment you don't understand the society very well. You know it when an abusive parent becomes abusive themselves. Or when everybody shouts at you without a reason you begin to think that shouting without a reason is ok. And here I want to stress that I'm not blaming those people. I just say what I don't like. But I also have to say that there are many non toxic people from minorities who speak out too. This thread is about the toxic people not about the fine people.
Ehh it's hard to talk about political correctness and being politically correct at the same time so let's be honest. How do you define discrimination? I define it that way 1. "I can't do what I should be allowed to do as at least one person breaks my law to be free because of the traits I can't control such as disability, gender, race and many others". Toxic people define discrimination that way 2."someone from the majority disagrees with me or they use the words I don't like". You see the difference? In the latter case the person isn't necessarily harmed yet they still feel discriminated. In both cases the discrimination is considered to be bad behavior. So the people are trying to fight it.
Yes they are trying to fight disagreement! And here we come to the definition of political correctness. It's avoiding to commit the second kind of the discrimination being the definition number 2.
Examples:
- the one mentioned at the beginning of the post. Lucy is a teacher who teaches English. It was always obvious for me that when you teach someone English you tell them to have perfect accent and it's not discriminating someone with an other accent. Yet she was accused of discriminating. When you learn Polish you aren't taught Silesian accent are you? Is it discriminating to people who have Silesian accent? No? Then how was Lucy discriminating people?
- DissociaDID was called racist because she said that one of her alters being Nadia isn't White while the entire system of DissociaDID has a White body. If you know something about the topic of Dissociative Identity Disorder you will know that alters can be anything like people but also fairies, ghosts or half human half animal. They aren't created voluntarily it's a result of very severe trauma. In my opinion they should have simply tell her that she shouldn't say so because it's harmful for the Black community. It would fix the problem. I'm sure Dissocia wasn't racist she was simply unaware of the problem.
- my situation that happened thrice with 3 different people but once it wasn't serious. I am autistic and I was called an ableist because I argued with an "autistic person". How did it look like? I said something that dude disagreed. So he/she started to have meltdown and accused me of causing this meltdown because of being intolerant!
There are more and more examples but I think 3 is enough. What is the problem? It's not about me or Lucy or DissociaDID. It's about the freedom of speech and the discrimination type 1. Freedom of speech is because now you can't have your own opinion you have to agree with a minority. What happens if for example two lesbians have two very distinct opinions? Which side should I take if I can't stay silent? Are both options good or both bad? If you understand the problem you probably already noticed that it makes more inequality! But it's a reverse inequality - it used to be "majority better than minority" and political correctness make it "minority better than majority". Equality is "minority=majority". So how are we supposed to talk to each other?!
The second problem is that political correctness makes us go back to the times of full discrimination to all minorities! How? It's simple. An "autistic person" (I can't tell if they are really autistic or just faking) gets a tantrum because of disagreeing with someone. People notice it and they think that something is wrong with autistic people in general. And now in Poland I see so much hate against people with autism like me "people with autism are dangerous, they should learn at the same schools as normal children, they are the worst possible students". And I'm not lying I'm just loosely translating the comments into English! The same goes for Black community, LGBTQIAP+ and feminists. People instead seeing the minorities as equal people they see us some wild animals. Don't feel insulted by me I'm just telling what I see. The discrimination type 1. gets worse not better from political correctness.
So what is the solution in my opinion? It's pretty simple. Stop the political correctness and spread awareness!! You know all those influencers who spread awareness? It's good. Minorities should basically try their best to explain the way they see the world. Instead of saying 3. "you're a goddamn ableist" say 4."you're saying things to me that are hurtful such as <insert those hurtful things here> and you should stop". The 3. doesn't have any explanation of the problem. The 4. has and it lets people get better. Don't expect people to read your mind no one can do it. That's why I appreciate all the influencers that spread awareness such as Jessica Kellgren-Fozard or DissociaDID.
I hope I didn't insult anyone by my thread. What do you guys think?