Venting Pissed off. SN purity tests all failed on all batches

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Fucking bullshit. I went through all kinds of hell for the last MONTH trying to get this shit, and I can't even tell if it's legitimate or not. Testing strips come back ENTIRELY negative for nitrite for this supposedly 99%. Melting point test is a pain in the ass because it takes so long to get to 271C, I haven't even been able to get it there even with an oil bath.

The nitrite test I have goes up to 25ppm. The test on the forum says to get the 10ppm, but I figured more would be better, but I dumped like 100g into water to get ANY result and NOTHING happens. NO colors.

I'm so fucking frustrated right now. I'm pissed. I need to find a way to get sa. That test is simple. It'll fucking explode if it comes in contact with metal so I just throw a small piece on a tin can and make a small boom, then I'll fucking know. And there's no antidote. But NO ONE sells that shit easily since it is so dangerous to transport.

I, just like many of us I'm sure, just want a fucking "GO TO SLEEP AND NEVER WAKE UP" button god damn it.

Maybe I should just skip all this stupid shit and just fucking shoot myself in the head. But I've had my gun for awhile now and I just don't want to do it that way. Even though I do. I can't fail again, so I'm not going to leave it to one method. I'm so tired of this. I feel like I'm never going to get this to work, and I feel so fucking stupid and ineffectual.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

What does a blood test show?

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

I haven't tried that one yet. I didn't see where to do it. I didn't figure it was necessary, but clearly I was wrong. Lemme see.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand why you'd feel like that, I also just want to never wake ever again, it's so cruel to me how there isn't the option to just fall into an eternal dreamless sleep, I hope you find the peace you search for.

 

[Intoxicated]

You could test it by burning with sugar



This won't let you distinguish nitrite from nitrate (because both are potent oxidizers), but curing salt won't cause such intense burning. Nitrite and nitrate can be distinguished using reaction with ammonium chloride (NH4Cl) or ammonium sulfate ((NH4)2SO4)

NaNO2 + NH4Cl = NaCl + NH4NO2
2 NaNO2 + (NH4)2SO4 = Na2SO4 + 2 NH4NO2

NH4NO2 easily decomposes to water and gaseous nitrogen in hot water solutions

NH4NO2 = 2 H2O + N2





By measuring the volume of produced nitrogen, it's possible to roughly estimate approximate purity of NaNO2 powder.

NH4NO3 (that could be produced if NaNO2 were replaced with NaNO3) needs much higher temperatures to decompose, so no bubbles would appear in a hot water solution of it.

NH4Cl and (NH4)2SO4 may also produce CO2 and NH3 when reacting with carbonates or hydrocarbonates. NH3 has a distinctive pungent odor. If you can perceive it clearly, your NaNO2 is likely contaminated with a substantial amount of carbonates or NaOH.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Awesome, thank you! So what is the difference between curing salt that is 99% sodium nitrite and, well, the other kind? It's still 99% sn isn't it? It says it on the bottle. It was curing salt that I got, but I figured it was still the same compound?

Now, I got a pretty damn good reaction from burning it with sugar, but I only used a small amount, because I don't have access to anywhere nearby that I could test without getting caught by police or otherwise seen. But from a small amount, the reaction looked very similar to the one shown in the video. So the thing that gets me is the test strips didn't even show any nitrate.

Well, I have new test strips on the way, so we'll see if it was just the strips. Hopefully. Because I don't need to spend another month trying to find it. -.-

Blood test is inconclusive. Maybe it turned a bit brown a bit faster, but it wasn't vividly clear

 

[Killmeonce]

Where did you buy it from?

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Can't give sources, sorry. I've already gotten in trouble from the forum admin. I can say that I don't know the primary sources used on sasu at all. I found it by myself, which is probably why it's bunk.

 

[Intoxicated]

So what is the difference between curing salt that is 99% sodium nitrite and, well, the other kind? It's still 99% sn isn't it?

99% food-grade NaNO2 could be even better than 99% NaNO2 for technical purposes. But powders sold as "curing salt" commonly contain much less than 99% of NaNO2 (something like 6.25% or even 0.6%).

If you have a 5 - 24 V battery or other source of low-voltage current, you can try to test your substance with electrolysis. Dissolve a few grams in 10 - 50 ml of water and put 2 electrodes into the solution, keeping the gap between the electrodes of nearly 1 cm. If you perceive the strong smell of chlorine after a few seconds, then your powder contains a lot of chloride. There may be other strongly smelling gases produced, so you need to differentiate them. You can test table salt consisting of NaCl in the same way in order to figure out how exactly chlorine gas smells.

But from a small amount, the reaction looked very similar to the one shown in the video. So the thing that gets me is the test strips didn't even show any nitrate.

Test for nitrates should be negative if you have high-purity nitrite, unless the reagents used in the test don't differentiate nitrates and nitrites.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

99% food-grade NaNO2 could be even better than 99% NaNO2 for technical purposes. But powders sold as "curing salt" commonly contain much less than 99% of NaNO2 (something like 6.25% or even 0.6%).

If you have a 5 - 24 V battery or other source of low-voltage current, you can try to test your substance with electrolysis. Dissolve a few grams in 10 - 50 ml of water and put 2 electrodes into the solution, keeping the gap between the electrodes of nearly 1 cm. If you perceive the strong smell of chlorine after a few seconds, then your powder contains a lot of chloride. There may be other strongly smelling gases produced, so you need to differentiate them. You can test table salt consisting of NaCl in the same way in order to figure out how exactly chlorine gas smells.

Test for nitrates should be negative if you have high-purity nitrite, unless the reagents used in the test don't differentiate nitrates and nitrites.

So.....this would be breathing in chlorine gas and nitrogen dioxide? I don't have any way to measure gasses and don't have a fume hood, or proper ventilation. Then tap water has chlorine in it already, doesn't it? How would this determine whether or not the 99% nitrite was pure?

 

[Intoxicated]

So.....this would be breathing in chlorine gas and nitrogen dioxide?

Yes. Probably ammonia can also be produced. All these gases have pretty low odor threshold, so you won't poison yourself if you do the test promptly, since inhaling such gases in small amounts (just sufficient for smelling them) is nearly harmless.

I don't have any way to measure gasses and don't have a fume hood, or proper ventilation.

You could just leave the room for a few minutes till the gases dissipate after the test is done.

Then tap water has chlorine in it already, doesn't it?

That depends on where you live. In some places, tap water is not chlorinated.

How would this determine whether or not the 99% nitrite was pure?

This test is supposed to distinguish a curing salt having a lot of NaCl added to NaNO2 from a substance that doesn't contain substantial amounts of any chlorides. It can narrow down the possibilities of having right or wrong substance at your disposal. Determining the purity of NaNO2 is a different problem, which the given method doesn't solve.