Phenobarbital, Fentanyl & Benzos

[ferolia]

I am trying to find info, whether the above could provide a peaceful CBT.
As far as I got from reading the N threads, it's almost impossible to get it. I have already the following:

1. Phenobarbital approx. 120 pills x 100mg
2. Tons of clonazepam, diazepam among other benzos
3. Fentanyl 30 pills x 100 mcg which is approx. 3mg

The problem with fentanyl is that it's in pill form. Buccal pills. They are meant to dissolve in the mouth. Not swallowing. Does anybody knows if I could swallow the pills? Otherwise is there a way to overdose by dissolving 30 pills in my mouth? Sounds tricky I guess. Could fentanyl & phenobarbital do the job?
I would appreciate any insight or resources in this regard.

 

[SNOB]

Woaw I wish I had all those pharms. Would be amazing

 

[a_strange_day]

Pheno + long acting benzos are all you need. Takes a lot longer than N though. You can use the search bar and find tons of infos about it, good and bad...So I'd recommend reading "a guide to a self chosen and human death" Very detailed infos about Pheno and how to use it.

 

[ferolia]

Pheno + long acting benzos are all you need. Takes a lot longer than N though. You can use the search bar and find tons of infos about it, good and bad...So I'd recommend reading "a guide to a self chosen and human death" Very detailed infos about Pheno and how to use it.

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Thanks for this. Do you know if clonazepam is a long lasting benzo?
This statement that death can take 3 days, sounds a bit discouraging. Does it mean that you are unconscious during these 72 hours?

 

[Aap]

Yes to both.

 

[SNOB]

What's the difference between pheno and phento barbital

 

[ferolia]

What's the difference between pheno and phento barbital

There's phenobarbital and pentobarbital. Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate while the latter is a short-acting / potent one.

 

[SNOB]

There's phenobarbital and pentobarbital. Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate while the latter is a short-acting / potent one.

I have never tried any barbs. Do they make you feel high? More so than benzos

 

[Aap]

Phenobarbital, is an extremely slow and long acting barbiturate. Pentobarbital, also called Nembutal, is a fast and short acting barbiturate. The effects from Nembutal happen sooner and more intensely. Both are fatal, though the time needed until death is much different.

you also mentioned fentanyl. Add8ng that to the mix greatly hastens death.

 

[ferolia]

I have never tried any barbs. Do they make you feel high? More so than benzos

Basically their mechanism of action is similar to that of benzos. They enhance the GABA neurotransmitter. The important difference is that barbs have a higher toxic profile than that of benzos. People died by overdosing on barbs. In addition barbs have a narrower window between therapeutic dosing and over dosing, therefore barbiturates have been gradually replaced by benzos which are considered safer.

Phenobarbital, is an extremely slow and long acting barbiturate. Pentobarbital, also called Nembutal, is a fast and short acting barbiturate. The effects from Nembutal happen sooner and more intensely. Both are fatal, though the time needed until death is much different.

you also mentioned fentanyl. Add8ng that to the mix greatly hastens death.

That's what I was thinking. To add the Fentanyl. But I have the problem of how to administer it correctly.

 

[Aap]

really there are a variety of ways, I assume you don't want to use needles. If not, one can snort some, put some under ones tongue, out some between the gums and cheeks, and swallow the rest.

if you are using needles, just shoot it.

 

[ferolia]

really there are a variety of ways, I assume you don't want to use needles. If not, one can snort some, put some under ones tongue, out some between the gums and cheeks, and swallow the rest.

if you are using needles, just shoot it.

No needles. I managed to obtain a box with 30 pills. The pills are buccal. They are meant to dissolve in the mouth (below the tongue or between cheeks and gums). I don't know whether I miss potency by swallowing them. Snorting is an interesting method if I crush the pills. Otherwise maybe I could toss them in my mouth and use duct tape, in case I loose my consciousness, to make sure the pills stay inside?

 

[Aap]

Yes I assumed they were buccal. I should clarify, I always mean crushed pills. Any pills you are taking to ctb in large amounts needs to be powdered. The absorption of the fentanyl (which should be sped by crushing) will be in order from fastest to slowest: nasally, under your tongue, buccally (between gums and cheek), and then orally.

orally fentanyl is not as effective (around 25-40%), but it isnt completely ineffective. My advice in the previous post was made knowing only a certain amount can be snorted, stored under your tongue, or held in your gums. Duct tape isn't needed

 

[ferolia]

Yes I assumed they were buccal. I should clarify, I always mean crushed pills. Any pills you are taking to ctb in large amounts needs to be powdered. The absorption of the fentanyl (which should be sped by crushing) will be in order from fastest to slowest: nasally, under your tongue, buccally (between gums and cheek), and then orally.

orally fentanyl is not as effective (around 25-40%), but it isnt completely ineffective. My advice in the previous post was made knowing only a certain amount can be snorted, stored under your tongue, or held in your gums. Duct tape isn't needed

You are providing great insight in that regard. So basically oral administartion is out of the question given that all the 30 pills together give a total of 3mg fentanyl which I think is a little bit more than the LD. 25-40% absorption would significantly reduce the necessary amount. I guess snorting could be possible. The pills are small.

 

[Aap]

Sorry, when I say orally I mean swallowing them. The reason for the lower bioavailability is due to the fact that everything absorbed from the stomach to most of your large intestine goes straight to the liver where it is metabolized.

nothing through your nose does this (save for what drips down and is swallowed) nor does anything sublingual or buccal, save for what iS swallowed in saliva.

barbs and benzos are synergistic (one opens a Gaba mediated chloride channel longer, while the other does more frequently), and adding fentanyl (works at a different receptor) is at least additive. From what you have, it will likely be the combination of all 3 that kills you if you haven't stopped breathing from the fentanyl first.

said another way, you dont have to have a fatal dose of fentanyl for this to be fatal.

 

[ferolia]

Sorry, when I say orally I mean swallowing them. The reason for the lower bioavailability is due to the fact that everything absorbed from the stomach to most of your large intestine goes straight to the liver where it is metabolized.

nothing through your nose does this (save for what drips down and is swallowed) nor does anything sublingual or buccal, save for what iS swallowed in saliva.

barbs and benzos are synergistic (one opens a Gaba mediated chloride channel longer, while the other does more frequently), and adding fentanyl (works at a different receptor) is at least additive. From what you have, it will likely be the combination of all 3 that kills you if you haven't stopped breathing from the fentanyl first.

said another way, you dont have to have a fatal dose of fentanyl for this to be fatal.

It's totally fine. I did understand that you mean swallowing by saying orally. I could crash the pheno + benzos (have to figure out the dosage), wash it down with alcohol and than directly snort or pour the powder from the crashed fentanyl pills under my tongue. I guess that sounds as a fatal combination. My basic concern is vomiting. I vomit easily. I remember twice after surgery that I had been vomiting a lot due to the anesthesia (and I guess they do treat you with anti-emetics). I have to figure it out. I do have meto. Where I live I can get it OTC. I have meto and domperidone.

 

[Aap]

If you have Meto, then you will be in as good of a shape as you can be. Standard advice would be to take 40mgs an hour before. I'd probably take 20mg 2 hours before and then 40 an hour before if you vomit easily, but that's just me. Alcohol isn't needed, and I'd avoid it if vomitting is a concern. It may, however, help get the phenobarbital taste out of your mouth.

What exact benzos do you have? They have a ceiling effect (taking any extra won't sedate you any deeper), so you don't need a ton. I saw you mentioned Clonazepam and Valium.

 

[ferolia]

If you have Meto, then you will be in as good of a shape as you can be. Standard advice would be to take 40mgs an hour before. I'd probably take 20mg 2 hours before and then 40 an hour before if you vomit easily, but that's just me. Alcohol isn't needed, and I'd avoid it if vomitting is a concern. It may, however, help get the phenobarbital taste out of your mouth.

What exact benzos do you have? They have a ceiling effect (taking any extra won't sedate you any deeper), so you don't need a ton. I saw you mentioned Clonazepam and Valium.

I find your information much appreciable. Thank you for that.
I have Clonazepam, Valium, Xanax, Lexotanil (bromazepam), one box of zopiclone too.
Some of the meds have expired, but only a few months to maybe a year which I think is OK.

 

[Aap]

I'd go with 150mg of Valium.

 

[ferolia]

Sounds sufficient.

They have a ceiling effect (taking any extra won't sedate you any deeper)

What do you mean by "ceiling effect"?

 

[Aap]

beyond a certain dose, you won't get any additional sedative effect. This reason is why you can't really OD on benzos and the reason they replaced barbs. Of course, you can take everything, if you want.

 

[ferolia]

beyond a certain dose, you won't get any additional sedative effect. This reason is why you can't really OD on benzos and the reason they replaced barbs. Of course, you can take everything, if you want.

Since it's not necessary, I think I will avoid it to decrease the chance of vomiting.