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Pentobarbital, also known by the brand name Nembutal, is a short-acting psychoactive drug of the barbiturate class which produces powerful anxiolytic, hypnotic, muscle relaxant and amnesic effects. Pentobarbital is used medically as a hypnotic for the short-term treatment of insomnia and as an anticonvulsant in emergency situations. Pentobarbital is also used to put patients into medically induced comas. Pentobarbital works in a similar fashion to benzodiazepines, however barbiturates bind to a distinct allosteric site on the GABAA receptor.

Compared to other barbiturates such as phenobarbital, pentobarbital has a prompt onset of action, generally working within fifteen minutes of ingestion. Pentobarbital's anxiolytic effects may last for up to 36 hours after the primary effects have worn off.

Pentobarbital drastically enhances the effects of other depressants such as alcohol, and concurrent use may lead to respiratory depression and possibly death.

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Chemistry
Pentobarbital is a drug of the barbiturate class. Barbiturate drugs contain the backbone of barbituric acid.

Pharmacology

Barbiturates behave similarly to benzodiazepines. Pentobarbital binds to an allosteric site on the GABAA receptor and potentiates the effects of the endogenous ligand, gamma-aminobutyric acid. When barbiturates bind to the GABAA receptor, it causes the ion pore to open for extended periods of time, causing an increase of intracellular chlorine ion concentrations. As this site is the most prolific inhibitory receptor set within the brain, its modulation results in the sedating (or calming effects) of barbiturates on the nervous system.

Pentobarbital has a bioavailability of 70-90%. 45-60% of pentobarbital will bind to proteins. Its biological half life is 15-48 hours. Pentobarbital is metabolized by the liver and excreted by the kidneys.

Subjective effects
The effects listed below are based upon the subjective effects index and personal experiences of PsychonautWiki contributors. These effects should be taken with a grain of salt and will rarely (if ever) occur all at once, but heavier doses will increase the chances of inducing a full range of effects. Likewise, adverse effects become much more likely on higher doses and may include serious injury or death.

Physical effects
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    • Sedation - In terms of energy level alterations, this drug has the potential to be extremely sedating and often results in an overwhelmingly lethargic state. At higher levels, this causes users to suddenly feel as if they are extremely sleep deprived and have not slept for days, forcing them to sit down and generally feel as if they are constantly on the verge of passing out instead of engaging in physical activities. This sense of sleep deprivation increases proportional to dosage and eventually becomes powerful enough to force a person into complete unconsciousness.
    • Motor control loss
    • Muscle relaxation
    • Dizziness
    • Respiratory depression
    • Decreased blood pressure - Barbiturates may decrease blood pressure in some individuals and have occasionally been used to reduce intracranial pressure.[3]
    • Seizure suppression
    • Physical euphoria
    • Decreased libido
    • Pain relief - Compared to other agents such as opioids, this effect is generally considered to be quite weak.
Visual effects
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    • Acuity suppression - Like many depressants, high doses of pentobarbital may cause blurred vision.
Cognitive effects
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    • Anxiety suppression
    • Cognitive euphoria - Compared to other GABAergic depressants, this effect is particularly strong. The feeling itself can be described as an extremely strong feeling of relaxed contentment.
    • Thought deceleration
    • Analysis suppression
    • Disinhibition
    • Amnesia
    • Language suppression - At higher doses, pentobarbital is known cause slurred speech.
    • Compulsive redosing
    • Emotion suppression - Although this compound primarily suppresses anxiety, it also dulls other emotions in a manner which is distinct but less intensive than that of antipsychotics.
    • Delusions of sobriety - This is the false belief that one is perfectly sober despite obvious evidence to the contrary such as severe cognitive impairment and an inability to fully communicate with others. It most commonly occurs at heavy dosages.


Toxicity and harm potential

Pentobarbital likely has moderate toxicity relative to dose. However, pentobarbital is potentially lethal when mixed with depressants like alcohol or opioids. Pentobarbital has a higher risk of death or serious adverse effects associated with concurrent depressant use than other drugs such as benzodiazepines. There have been studies linking the use of barbiturates, particularly phenobarbital, with the development of cancer [5].

It is strongly recommended that one use harm reduction practices when using this drug.

Tolerance and addiction potential
Pentobarbital is extremely physically and psychologically addictive. Barbiturate withdrawal is medically serious and can potentially cause a life-threatening withdrawal syndrome that can cause seizures, psychosis, and death. Drugs which lower the seizure threshold such as tramadol and amphetamine should be avoided during withdrawal. If an individual is addicted to a short-acting barbiturate such as pentobarbital, switching to a longer acting drug such as phenobarbital may be of some benefit.

Tolerance will develop to the sedative-hypnotic effects of pentobarbital after prolonged use. It is unknown exactly how long it takes for tolerance to reach baseline. Pentobarbital presents cross-tolerance with all barbiturates, meaning that after its consumption all barbiturates will have a reduced effect.

Dangerous interactions
The list below contains some common potentially dangerous combinations, but may not include all of them. Certain combinations may be harmless in low doses of each but still increase the potential risk of death.

  • Depressants - This combination can result in dangerous or even fatal levels of respiratory depression. These substances potentiate the muscle relaxation, sedation and amnesia caused by one another and can lead to unexpected loss of consciousness at high doses. There is also an increased risk of vomiting during unconsciousness and death from the resulting suffocation. If this occurs, users should try to fall asleep in the recovery position or have a friend move them into it. Pentobarbital is deemed to have an increased incidence of serious adverse effects when used concurrently with other depressants than other depressants.
  • Dissociatives - This combination can lead to an increased risk of vomiting during unconsciousness and death from the resulting suffocation. If this occurs, users should attempt to fall asleep in the recovery position or have a friend move them into it.
  • Stimulants - It is unsafe to combine barbiturates with stimulants due to the risk of excessive intoxication. Once the stimulant wears off, the effects of barbiturates will be considerably increased, leading to intensified disinhibition as well as other effects. This combination can also potentially result in severe dehydration if hydration is not monitored.
Overdose
Barbiturate overdose may occur when a barbiturate is taken in extremely heavy quantities or concurrently with other depressants. This is particularly dangerous with other GABAergic depressants such as benzodiazepines and alcohol since they work in a similar fashion, but bind to distinct allosteric sites on the GABAA receptor, thus their effects potentiate one another. Benzodiazepines increase the frequency in which the chlorine ion pore opens on the GABAA receptor while barbiturates increase the duration in which they are open, meaning when both are consumed, the ion pore will open more frequently and stay open longer. Barbiturate overdose is a medical emergency that may lead to a coma, permanent brain injury or death if not treated promptly and properly. Barbiturate overdose has an increased frequency of serious adverse effects when compared to other depressants.

Symptoms of a barbiturate overdose may include severe thought deceleration, slurred speech, confusion, delusions, respiratory depression, coma or death
 
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Legal issues
  • International: Internationally, pentobarbital is a Psychotropic Schedule III under the UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances
  • United States: In the United States, pentobarbital is a Schedule II Controlled Substance
  • United Kingdom: In the United Kingdom, pentobarbital is a Class B drug
  • Australia: In Australia, pentobarbital is an S8 Controlled Drug
  • Germany: In Germany, pentobarbital is an Anlage III Prescription Only drug
  • Canada: In Canada, pentobarbital is a Schedule IV drug
 
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So no-one knows how to get it in Mexico or the Netherlands?
 
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So no-one knows how to get it in Mexico or the Netherlands?

Download the peacefulpillhandbook of 2018

There you can find the chapter on nembutal and also the email to order it.
 
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Download the peacefulpillhandbook of 2018

There you can find the chapter on nembutal and also the email to order it.

And they won't try to put you in some psychiatric place? How much does it cost?
 
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And they won't try to put you in some psychiatric place? How much does it cost?

No it is just a book it is a open source just like any other.book.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/list-of-resources.3/

That is the link

All the information is in the book.
I payed 500 Dollars dont know how much it is in euro. It comes from mexico..
 
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Since you said nembutal is more dangerous with stimulants, does that include caffeine as well?
 
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Since you said nembutal is more dangerous with stimulants, does that include caffeine as well?

No noy caffeine

But anti psychotic medication interfere with nembutal.

But alcohol does help it get more fast in your system
 
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No noy caffeine

But anti psychotic medication interfere with nembutal.

But alcohol does help it get more fast in your system
How long should i go without my anti psychotic medication?
 
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Sorry if this seems a silly question but.....if you throw up whilst unconscious and start to chocke is it possible to wake up or would you just remain unconscious?
 
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How long should i go without my anti psychotic medication?

For me i have quetiapine i use 25 to 50mg a night thats is just a dose to sleep.
The true psycotic dose is above 250mg aday. So for me i stop for a week thats enough but people who use 250mg a week or 2 is better.
 
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Sorry if this seems a silly question but.....if you throw up whilst unconscious and start to chocke is it possible to wake up or would you just remain unconscious?
I doubt you throw up that mutch that you gain cobscious if you gone you arr gone
 
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Sorry if this seems a silly question but.....if you throw up whilst unconscious and start to chocke is it possible to wake up or would you just remain unconscious?

with N you would stay unconscious it is strong
 
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How many grams of nembutal would it take to kill an average person
 
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Would a bottle of n be sufficient?
 
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One bottle is 6 grams.
 
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Since you said nembutal is more dangerous with stimulants, does that include caffeine as well?
It is not per say "dangerous" in the way that ethanol/alcohol and cocaine is (by forming the toxic compound "cocaethylene"), but rather that since ANY stimulant will reduce the sedative and lethal effects of ANY depressant, you can consume more and more of the depressant without feeling the dangerous effects.

You can consume more of the depressant without feeling it as much, since the stimulant protects you from the depressant's effects.

This actually makes the combination less dangerous and sedating than the depressant by itself...

... until the stimulant wears off. Then you're left with just the depressant's effects, and since you consumed more of the depressant than you typically would to get the same or greater effects, and since the stimulant is no longer affecting, and therefore protecting you from the sedative's effects, then the greater amount of the depressant you consumed of the sedative will be active with full force.

This is how people who use amphetamines and heroin together die. Let's use Adderall (the isomers Levoamphetamine (25%) and Dextroamphetamine (75%)) as an example, since it lasts for a brief period of time.

I'm not using coke as an example because although it fits better since it lasts less than an hour in typical doses, it has its own weird properties that affect overdose.

You snort 10mg of Adderall.

FUCK YEAH that's awesome. Amazing. Actually, you should have 5mg more.

YEA baby! You love it! You're a bit overexcited and anxious now, so you snort some heroin to ease the nerves and boost your high.

Usually at this point, without the Adderall, you'd be quite sleepy, but you're wide awake.

You have some more heroin, because it's not affecting you as much as usual. And 10mg more Adderall. Then another huge dose of heroin just to make sure you're good for the day.

You become very tired. You snort 5mg more Adderall. You are still struggling to stay awake. You take your last 10mg pill.

2 hours later, and it's beginning to wear off.

4 hours later, you're nearly unconscious.

6 hours later, you are dead from choking on your vomit.

If you weren't on Adderall, you would've felt it more and known when to stop, but since you didn't feel it as much, you couldn't properly gauge how much was in your system.

If you took all that heroin, more than a lethal dose, without any Adderall, you would've died quickly, but it kept the heroin from killing you until it wore off.

Same applies to all stimulants, weaker ones like caffeine to a lesser extent, except, say, tramadol (depressant) and Adderall, where both contribute to heart failure.
Sorry if this seems a silly question but.....if you throw up whilst unconscious and start to chocke is it possible to wake up or would you just remain unconscious?
First and foremost: USE ANTIEMETICS.

USE ANTIEMETICS!

USE ANTIEMETICS!

if you take one thing away from this comment, it should be USE ANTIEMETICS!

one more time:

USE.

ANTI.

EMETICS.

Use LOTS OF ANTIEMETICS!

You will have an alarmingly high chance of "survival" if you don't. I don't mean Benadryl or Dramamine, I mean something strong.

Hydroxyzine is prescription only, but unscheduled, cheap, VERY easy to get prescribed, and VERY effective.

Literally walk into a doctor's office, say you have appetite issues and need to be able to eat, but feel nauseated whenever you try to, or say you feel nauseated whenever you go anywhere (it's excellent for motion sickness), and you've heard hydroxzyine is safer than most alternatives and that you'd like to give it a try, and walk out with a prescription for it. They don't really care, because it's not known as abusable at all.

Use loads of it. It is also a depressant, so it should help with potentiation of the pentobarbital (potentiation the property of making something stronger/more potent).

Do a test run first. Take 300mg of hydroxzyine, see if it works well. Ideally you want to push the limit until you start feeling nauseated from hydroxzyine, and then find a middle ground where you're VERY sedated and VERY resistant to it.

DO NOT REDOSE! Take 300mg, wait 3 days (it takes about ~60 hours to fully wear off), and if that doesn't work, try a higher dose. Find a good dose where you feel you'll never throw up at. You can go with 300mg or even a bit less if it works for you.

Take the predetermined dose 20-30 minutes before taking the N. If you find you can't stay awake, it's kicked in enough already, and you can take the N.

If you didn't take enough N, you could wake up. However, with even a quarter of a near-lethal dose you're WAY too unconscious to wake up even if you were slammed into a wall repeatedly and drowned.

Imagine this but too a much more severe extent:



(The part I'm talking about is at 0:38)

Jesse (The guy on heroin in the scene) isn't even ODing, but he's dead asleep. He's unconscious but responding. He doesn't even remember this afterwards, which is realistic

Or this actual (FICTIONAL but very realistic) OVERDOSE on heroin [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BREAKING BAD SEASON 2]:



She is already effectively temporarily dead to her. This moment does not exist in her reality, because she is non-existent to herself. Completely, 100% dead. If she survived, that period of time would be gone. Non-existent. She was not there to experience it, and she never woke up.

If you were actually OVERDOSING on a depressant, especially a GABA-A agonist like pentobarbital/Nembutal, it would be a much stronger effect.

GABA is the brain's ultimate inhibitory neurotransmitter, so activation of its receptors is the strongest possible way to block signals and completely eliminate consciousness. This is EXACTLY what pentobarbital does. If "light" is stimulus/signals/consciousness, it basically very effective dims your brain.

If you're still concerned, "go to sleep" on your side, not your back. If Walt didn't accidentally turn Jane onto her back, she would have probably not choked on her vomit.
Sorry if this seems a silly question but.....if you throw up whilst unconscious and start to chocke is it possible to wake up or would you just remain unconscious?
First and foremost: USE ANTIEMETICS.

USE ANTIEMETICS!

USE ANTIEMETICS!

if you take one thing away from this comment, it should be USE ANTIEMETICS!

one more time:

USE.

ANTI.

EMETICS.

Use LOTS OF ANTIEMETICS!

You will have an alarmingly high chance of "survival" if you don't. I don't mean Benadryl or Dramamine, I mean something strong.

Hydroxyzine is prescription only, but unscheduled, cheap, VERY easy to get prescribed, and VERY effective.

Literally walk into a doctor's office, say you have appetite issues and need to be able to eat, but feel nauseated whenever you try to, or say you feel nauseated whenever you go anywhere (it's excellent for motion sickness), and you've heard hydroxzyine is safer than most alternatives and that you'd like to give it a try, and walk out with a prescription for it. They don't really care, because it's not known as abusable at all.

Use loads of it. It is also a depressant, so it should help with potentiation of the pentobarbital (potentiation the property of making something stronger/more potent).

Do a test run first. Take 300mg of hydroxzyine, see if it works well. Ideally you want to push the limit until you start feeling nauseated from hydroxzyine, and then find a middle ground where you're VERY sedated and VERY resistant to it.

DO NOT REDOSE! Take 300mg, wait 3 days (it takes about ~60 hours to fully wear off), and if that doesn't work, try a higher dose. Find a good dose where you feel you'll never throw up at. You can go with 300mg or even a bit less if it works for you.

Take the predetermined dose 20-30 minutes before taking the N. If you find you can't stay awake, it's kicked in enough already, and you can take the N.

If you didn't take enough N, you could wake up. However, with even a quarter of a near-lethal dose you're WAY too unconscious to wake up even if you were slammed into a wall repeatedly and drowned.

Imagine this but too a much more severe extent:



(The part I'm talking about is at 0:38)

Jesse (The guy on heroin in the scene) isn't even ODing, but he's dead asleep. He's unconscious but responding. He doesn't even remember this afterwards, which is realistic

Or this actual (FICTIONAL but very realistic) OVERDOSE on heroin [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BREAKING BAD SEASON 2]:



She is already effectively temporarily dead to her. This moment does not exist in her reality, because she is non-existent to herself. Completely, 100% dead. If she survived, that period of time would be gone. Non-existent. She was not there to experience it, and she never woke up.

If you were actually OVERDOSING on a depressant, especially a GABA-A agonist like pentobarbital/Nembutal, it would be a much stronger effect.

GABA is the brain's ultimate inhibitory neurotransmitter, so activation of its receptors is the strongest possible way to block signals and completely eliminate consciousness. This is EXACTLY what pentobarbital does. If "light" is stimulus/signals/consciousness, it basically very effective dims your brain.

If you're still concerned, "go to sleep" on your side, not your back. If Walt didn't accidentally turn Jane onto her back, she would have probably not choked on her vomit.
 
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It is not per say "dangerous" in the way that ethanol/alcohol and cocaine is (by forming the toxic compound "cocaethylene"), but rather that since ANY stimulant will reduce the sedative and lethal effects of ANY depressant, you can consume more and more of the depressant without feeling the dangerous effects.

You can consume more of the depressant without feeling it as much, since the stimulant protects you from the depressant's effects.

This actually makes the combination less dangerous and sedating than the depressant by itself...

... until the stimulant wears off. Then you're left with just the depressant's effects, and since you consumed more of the depressant than you typically would to get the same or greater effects, and since the stimulant is no longer affecting, and therefore protecting you from the sedative's effects, then the greater amount of the depressant you consumed of the sedative will be active with full force.

This is how people who use amphetamines and heroin together die. Let's use Adderall (the isomers Levoamphetamine (25%) and Dextroamphetamine (75%)) as an example, since it lasts for a brief period of time.

I'm not using coke as an example because although it fits better since it lasts less than an hour in typical doses, it has its own weird properties that affect overdose.

You snort 10mg of Adderall.

FUCK YEAH that's awesome. Amazing. Actually, you should have 5mg more.

YEA baby! You love it! You're a bit overexcited and anxious now, so you snort some heroin to ease the nerves and boost your high.

Usually at this point, without the Adderall, you'd be quite sleepy, but you're wide awake.

You have some more heroin, because it's not affecting you as much as usual. And 10mg more Adderall. Then another huge dose of heroin just to make sure you're good for the day.

You become very tired. You snort 5mg more Adderall. You are still struggling to stay awake. You take your last 10mg pill.

2 hours later, and it's beginning to wear off.

4 hours later, you're nearly unconscious.

6 hours later, you are dead from choking on your vomit.

If you weren't on Adderall, you would've felt it more and known when to stop, but since you didn't feel it as much, you couldn't properly gauge how much was in your system.

If you took all that heroin, more than a lethal dose, without any Adderall, you would've died quickly, but it kept the heroin from killing you until it wore off.

Same applies to all stimulants, weaker ones like caffeine to a lesser extent, except, say, tramadol (depressant) and Adderall, where both contribute to heart failure.

First and foremost: USE ANTIEMETICS.

USE ANTIEMETICS!

USE ANTIEMETICS!

if you take one thing away from this comment, it should be USE ANTIEMETICS!

one more time:

USE.

ANTI.

EMETICS.

Use LOTS OF ANTIEMETICS!

You will have an alarmingly high chance of "survival" if you don't. I don't mean Benadryl or Dramamine, I mean something strong.

Hydroxyzine is prescription only, but unscheduled, cheap, VERY easy to get prescribed, and VERY effective.

Literally walk into a doctor's office, say you have appetite issues and need to be able to eat, but feel nauseated whenever you try to, or say you feel nauseated whenever you go anywhere (it's excellent for motion sickness), and you've heard hydroxzyine is safer than most alternatives and that you'd like to give it a try, and walk out with a prescription for it. They don't really care, because it's not known as abusable at all.

Use loads of it. It is also a depressant, so it should help with potentiation of the pentobarbital (potentiation the property of making something stronger/more potent).

Do a test run first. Take 300mg of hydroxzyine, see if it works well. Ideally you want to push the limit until you start feeling nauseated from hydroxzyine, and then find a middle ground where you're VERY sedated and VERY resistant to it.

DO NOT REDOSE! Take 300mg, wait 3 days (it takes about ~60 hours to fully wear off), and if that doesn't work, try a higher dose. Find a good dose where you feel you'll never throw up at. You can go with 300mg or even a bit less if it works for you.

Take the predetermined dose 20-30 minutes before taking the N. If you find you can't stay awake, it's kicked in enough already, and you can take the N.

If you didn't take enough N, you could wake up. However, with even a quarter of a near-lethal dose you're WAY too unconscious to wake up even if you were slammed into a wall repeatedly and drowned.

Imagine this but too a much more severe extent:



(The part I'm talking about is at 0:38)

Jesse (The guy on heroin in the scene) isn't even ODing, but he's dead asleep. He's unconscious but responding. He doesn't even remember this afterwards, which is realistic

Or this actual (FICTIONAL but very realistic) OVERDOSE on heroin [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BREAKING BAD SEASON 2]:



She is already effectively temporarily dead to her. This moment does not exist in her reality, because she is non-existent to herself. Completely, 100% dead. If she survived, that period of time would be gone. Non-existent. She was not there to experience it, and she never woke up.

If you were actually OVERDOSING on a depressant, especially a GABA-A agonist like pentobarbital/Nembutal, it would be a much stronger effect.

GABA is the brain's ultimate inhibitory neurotransmitter, so activation of its receptors is the strongest possible way to block signals and completely eliminate consciousness. This is EXACTLY what pentobarbital does. If "light" is stimulus/signals/consciousness, it basically very effective dims your brain.

If you're still concerned, "go to sleep" on your side, not your back. If Walt didn't accidentally turn Jane onto her back, she would have probably not choked on her vomit.

First and foremost: USE ANTIEMETICS.

USE ANTIEMETICS!

USE ANTIEMETICS!

if you take one thing away from this comment, it should be USE ANTIEMETICS!

one more time:

USE.

ANTI.

EMETICS.

Use LOTS OF ANTIEMETICS!

You will have an alarmingly high chance of "survival" if you don't. I don't mean Benadryl or Dramamine, I mean something strong.

Hydroxyzine is prescription only, but unscheduled, cheap, VERY easy to get prescribed, and VERY effective.

Literally walk into a doctor's office, say you have appetite issues and need to be able to eat, but feel nauseated whenever you try to, or say you feel nauseated whenever you go anywhere (it's excellent for motion sickness), and you've heard hydroxzyine is safer than most alternatives and that you'd like to give it a try, and walk out with a prescription for it. They don't really care, because it's not known as abusable at all.

Use loads of it. It is also a depressant, so it should help with potentiation of the pentobarbital (potentiation the property of making something stronger/more potent).

Do a test run first. Take 300mg of hydroxzyine, see if it works well. Ideally you want to push the limit until you start feeling nauseated from hydroxzyine, and then find a middle ground where you're VERY sedated and VERY resistant to it.

DO NOT REDOSE! Take 300mg, wait 3 days (it takes about ~60 hours to fully wear off), and if that doesn't work, try a higher dose. Find a good dose where you feel you'll never throw up at. You can go with 300mg or even a bit less if it works for you.

Take the predetermined dose 20-30 minutes before taking the N. If you find you can't stay awake, it's kicked in enough already, and you can take the N.

If you didn't take enough N, you could wake up. However, with even a quarter of a near-lethal dose you're WAY too unconscious to wake up even if you were slammed into a wall repeatedly and drowned.

Imagine this but too a much more severe extent:



(The part I'm talking about is at 0:38)

Jesse (The guy on heroin in the scene) isn't even ODing, but he's dead asleep. He's unconscious but responding. He doesn't even remember this afterwards, which is realistic

Or this actual (FICTIONAL but very realistic) OVERDOSE on heroin [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BREAKING BAD SEASON 2]:



She is already effectively temporarily dead to her. This moment does not exist in her reality, because she is non-existent to herself. Completely, 100% dead. If she survived, that period of time would be gone. Non-existent. She was not there to experience it, and she never woke up.

If you were actually OVERDOSING on a depressant, especially a GABA-A agonist like pentobarbital/Nembutal, it would be a much stronger effect.

GABA is the brain's ultimate inhibitory neurotransmitter, so activation of its receptors is the strongest possible way to block signals and completely eliminate consciousness. This is EXACTLY what pentobarbital does. If "light" is stimulus/signals/consciousness, it basically very effective dims your brain.

If you're still concerned, "go to sleep" on your side, not your back. If Walt didn't accidentally turn Jane onto her back, she would have probably not choked on her vomit.



This is good info. Everything I have read suggests primperan though--that's the one I got from the greek ebay seller before all those listings mysteriously vanished.
 
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It is not per say "dangerous" in the way that ethanol/alcohol and cocaine is (by forming the toxic compound "cocaethylene"), but rather that since ANY stimulant will reduce the sedative and lethal effects of ANY depressant, you can consume more and more of the depressant without feeling the dangerous effects.

You can consume more of the depressant without feeling it as much, since the stimulant protects you from the depressant's effects.

This actually makes the combination less dangerous and sedating than the depressant by itself...

... until the stimulant wears off. Then you're left with just the depressant's effects, and since you consumed more of the depressant than you typically would to get the same or greater effects, and since the stimulant is no longer affecting, and therefore protecting you from the sedative's effects, then the greater amount of the depressant you consumed of the sedative will be active with full force.

This is how people who use amphetamines and heroin together die. Let's use Adderall (the isomers Levoamphetamine (25%) and Dextroamphetamine (75%)) as an example, since it lasts for a brief period of time.

I'm not using coke as an example because although it fits better since it lasts less than an hour in typical doses, it has its own weird properties that affect overdose.

You snort 10mg of Adderall.

FUCK YEAH that's awesome. Amazing. Actually, you should have 5mg more.

YEA baby! You love it! You're a bit overexcited and anxious now, so you snort some heroin to ease the nerves and boost your high.

Usually at this point, without the Adderall, you'd be quite sleepy, but you're wide awake.

You have some more heroin, because it's not affecting you as much as usual. And 10mg more Adderall. Then another huge dose of heroin just to make sure you're good for the day.

You become very tired. You snort 5mg more Adderall. You are still struggling to stay awake. You take your last 10mg pill.

2 hours later, and it's beginning to wear off.

4 hours later, you're nearly unconscious.

6 hours later, you are dead from choking on your vomit.

If you weren't on Adderall, you would've felt it more and known when to stop, but since you didn't feel it as much, you couldn't properly gauge how much was in your system.

If you took all that heroin, more than a lethal dose, without any Adderall, you would've died quickly, but it kept the heroin from killing you until it wore off.

Same applies to all stimulants, weaker ones like caffeine to a lesser extent, except, say, tramadol (depressant) and Adderall, where both contribute to heart failure.

First and foremost: USE ANTIEMETICS.

USE ANTIEMETICS!

USE ANTIEMETICS!

if you take one thing away from this comment, it should be USE ANTIEMETICS!

one more time:

USE.

ANTI.

EMETICS.

Use LOTS OF ANTIEMETICS!

You will have an alarmingly high chance of "survival" if you don't. I don't mean Benadryl or Dramamine, I mean something strong.

Hydroxyzine is prescription only, but unscheduled, cheap, VERY easy to get prescribed, and VERY effective.

Literally walk into a doctor's office, say you have appetite issues and need to be able to eat, but feel nauseated whenever you try to, or say you feel nauseated whenever you go anywhere (it's excellent for motion sickness), and you've heard hydroxzyine is safer than most alternatives and that you'd like to give it a try, and walk out with a prescription for it. They don't really care, because it's not known as abusable at all.

Use loads of it. It is also a depressant, so it should help with potentiation of the pentobarbital (potentiation the property of making something stronger/more potent).

Do a test run first. Take 300mg of hydroxzyine, see if it works well. Ideally you want to push the limit until you start feeling nauseated from hydroxzyine, and then find a middle ground where you're VERY sedated and VERY resistant to it.

DO NOT REDOSE! Take 300mg, wait 3 days (it takes about ~60 hours to fully wear off), and if that doesn't work, try a higher dose. Find a good dose where you feel you'll never throw up at. You can go with 300mg or even a bit less if it works for you.

Take the predetermined dose 20-30 minutes before taking the N. If you find you can't stay awake, it's kicked in enough already, and you can take the N.

If you didn't take enough N, you could wake up. However, with even a quarter of a near-lethal dose you're WAY too unconscious to wake up even if you were slammed into a wall repeatedly and drowned.

Imagine this but too a much more severe extent:



(The part I'm talking about is at 0:38)

Jesse (The guy on heroin in the scene) isn't even ODing, but he's dead asleep. He's unconscious but responding. He doesn't even remember this afterwards, which is realistic

Or this actual (FICTIONAL but very realistic) OVERDOSE on heroin [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BREAKING BAD SEASON 2]:



She is already effectively temporarily dead to her. This moment does not exist in her reality, because she is non-existent to herself. Completely, 100% dead. If she survived, that period of time would be gone. Non-existent. She was not there to experience it, and she never woke up.

If you were actually OVERDOSING on a depressant, especially a GABA-A agonist like pentobarbital/Nembutal, it would be a much stronger effect.

GABA is the brain's ultimate inhibitory neurotransmitter, so activation of its receptors is the strongest possible way to block signals and completely eliminate consciousness. This is EXACTLY what pentobarbital does. If "light" is stimulus/signals/consciousness, it basically very effective dims your brain.

If you're still concerned, "go to sleep" on your side, not your back. If Walt didn't accidentally turn Jane onto her back, she would have probably not choked on her vomit.

First and foremost: USE ANTIEMETICS.

USE ANTIEMETICS!

USE ANTIEMETICS!

if you take one thing away from this comment, it should be USE ANTIEMETICS!

one more time:

USE.

ANTI.

EMETICS.

Use LOTS OF ANTIEMETICS!

You will have an alarmingly high chance of "survival" if you don't. I don't mean Benadryl or Dramamine, I mean something strong.

Hydroxyzine is prescription only, but unscheduled, cheap, VERY easy to get prescribed, and VERY effective.

Literally walk into a doctor's office, say you have appetite issues and need to be able to eat, but feel nauseated whenever you try to, or say you feel nauseated whenever you go anywhere (it's excellent for motion sickness), and you've heard hydroxzyine is safer than most alternatives and that you'd like to give it a try, and walk out with a prescription for it. They don't really care, because it's not known as abusable at all.

Use loads of it. It is also a depressant, so it should help with potentiation of the pentobarbital (potentiation the property of making something stronger/more potent).

Do a test run first. Take 300mg of hydroxzyine, see if it works well. Ideally you want to push the limit until you start feeling nauseated from hydroxzyine, and then find a middle ground where you're VERY sedated and VERY resistant to it.

DO NOT REDOSE! Take 300mg, wait 3 days (it takes about ~60 hours to fully wear off), and if that doesn't work, try a higher dose. Find a good dose where you feel you'll never throw up at. You can go with 300mg or even a bit less if it works for you.

Take the predetermined dose 20-30 minutes before taking the N. If you find you can't stay awake, it's kicked in enough already, and you can take the N.

If you didn't take enough N, you could wake up. However, with even a quarter of a near-lethal dose you're WAY too unconscious to wake up even if you were slammed into a wall repeatedly and drowned.

Imagine this but too a much more severe extent:



(The part I'm talking about is at 0:38)

Jesse (The guy on heroin in the scene) isn't even ODing, but he's dead asleep. He's unconscious but responding. He doesn't even remember this afterwards, which is realistic

Or this actual (FICTIONAL but very realistic) OVERDOSE on heroin [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BREAKING BAD SEASON 2]:



She is already effectively temporarily dead to her. This moment does not exist in her reality, because she is non-existent to herself. Completely, 100% dead. If she survived, that period of time would be gone. Non-existent. She was not there to experience it, and she never woke up.

If you were actually OVERDOSING on a depressant, especially a GABA-A agonist like pentobarbital/Nembutal, it would be a much stronger effect.

GABA is the brain's ultimate inhibitory neurotransmitter, so activation of its receptors is the strongest possible way to block signals and completely eliminate consciousness. This is EXACTLY what pentobarbital does. If "light" is stimulus/signals/consciousness, it basically very effective dims your brain.

If you're still concerned, "go to sleep" on your side, not your back. If Walt didn't accidentally turn Jane onto her back, she would have probably not choked on her vomit.

Thanks for the info. Ive got primperan
 
Ἡγησίας

Ἡγησίας

Student
May 20, 2019
191
I've got some hidroxyzine, @PsychoPyro, do you think it's as good antiemetic as metoclopramide or domperidone? It would be interesting because of its central nervous system depressants properties, maybe they could make a good sinergy together.
 
PsychoPyro

PsychoPyro

Chronic Pain
Jun 7, 2018
102
I've got some hidroxyzine, @PsychoPyro, do you think it's as good antiemetic as metoclopramide or domperidone? It would be interesting because of its central nervous system depressants properties, maybe they could make a good sinergy together.
I don't know how they compare, I'm sorry.
This is good info. Everything I have read suggests primperan though--that's the one I got from the greek ebay seller before all those listings mysteriously vanished.
Yeah if you can get it then use that instead. Hydroxyzine is easier tho.
 
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Life is temporary, death is permanent
Sep 26, 2019
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So based on the side effects, I'm thinking this is a peaceful and good way to go. Am I right?

I'm asking because some time tomorrow I'm putting down one of my dogs. They have throat cancer, and I believe they will suffer greatly if not done.
 

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