Parkland shooting survivor committed suicide

[TAW122]

Here are the news articles, one on Yahoo and the other one on USAToday reporting about a mass shooting survivor committing suicide.

To start things off, it is indeed a tragedy and condolences to the family as well as her peers and the people who know her. The gripe that I have is the fact that news media further stigmatizes mental health issues and of course, the usual tactic, oh let's ask someone who is truly suicidal if they are suicidal (if they have a method, if they have plans, if they have a date and time), because that'll get them to open up and we can get him/her help! Yay, we feel good about saving someone and making their lives worse, but it doesn't matter as long as they are alive! reeee. /s

(Hint: Help is basically locking said person up against his/her will in a psych ward, force treatment and drugs on said person, then after some time, when said person is released, the person is then saddled with medical bills and debt, then has a mark/stain on his/her record. Also, said person's life is ruined as a result of such intervention, financially, career-wise, educational, social life, and more.). Ugh, this is not the way to approach this issue and if anything, it's no surprise that said person didn't open up for the fear of ALL this bullshit happening. Then people act fucking surprised that she died. No shit sherlock, who the hell would open up and get fucked over like that? Certainly not someone genuinely suicidal. To be fair, maybe she didn't want to die, but nobody except her knows for sure.

Oh and finally, to add more insult to injury, they pasted the usual suicide prevention information at the end of both articles. Disgusting (but I guess it's the obligatory procedure of news reporting...)

 

[jules18]

Kind of annoying they didn't say what method she used.

Yeah, I mean there are few cultures on earth that have a positive of view on suicide. I believe in Greece, Rome and other ancient cultures they had a more positive view on it. Suicide was deemed permissible and dignified if you had good reasons for it. But these cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. That is to say dignity and honor were things that were taken extremely seriously. Today I believe the Dutch are the most progressive when it comes to being open-minded about euthanasia.

 

[letmeseethedeath]

Kind of annoying they didn't say what method she used.

Yeah, I mean there are few cultures on earth that have a positive of view on suicide. I believe in Greece, Rome and other ancient cultures they had a more positive view on it. Suicide was deemed permissible and dignified if you had good reasons for it. But these cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. That is to say dignity and honor were things that were taken extremely seriously. Today I believe the Dutch are the most progressive when it comes to being open-minded about euthanasia.

i live near rome, and no, they see suicidal people like cowards

 

[Jean Améry]

Here are the news articles, one on Yahoo and the other one on USAToday reporting about a mass shooting survivor committing suicide.

To start things off, it is indeed a tragedy and condolences to the family as well as her peers and the people who know her. The gripe that I have is the fact that news media further stigmatizes mental health issues and of course, the usual tactic, oh let's ask someone who is truly suicidal if they are suicidal (if they have a method, if they have plans, if they have a date and time), because that'll get them to open up and we can get him/her help! Yay, we feel good about saving someone and making their lives worse, but it doesn't matter as long as they are alive! reeee. /s

(Hint: Help is basically locking said person up against his/her will in a psych ward, force treatment and drugs on said person, then after some time, when said person is released, the person is then saddled with medical bills and debt, then has a mark/stain on his/her record. Also, said person's life is ruined as a result of such intervention, financially, career-wise, educational, social life, and more.). Ugh, this is not the way to approach this issue and if anything, it's no surprise that said person didn't open up for the fear of ALL this bullshit happening. Then people act fucking surprised that she died. No shit sherlock, who the hell would open up and get fucked over like that? Certainly not someone genuinely suicidal. To be fair, maybe she didn't want to die, but nobody except her knows for sure.

Oh and finally, to add more insult to injury, they pasted the usual suicide prevention information at the end of both articles. Disgusting (but I guess it's the obligatory procedure of news reporting...)

Nicely put. Unfortunately it's all true. The media and the press have long since succumbed to the myth of mental illness and suicide prevention so they cast aside their role of objective coverage of facts and correct explanations for events and act as a propaganda machine for the state and psychiatry.

Nothing new there sadly.

i live near rome, and no, they see suicidal people like cowards

I'm pretty sure the OP meant ancient Rome.

 

[Pulpit2018]

I believe in Greece, Rome and other ancient cultures they had a more positive view on it. Suicide was deemed permissible and dignified if you had good reasons for it. But these cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. That is to say dignity and honor were things that were taken extremely seriously.

You hit the nail on the head with this one.And its why the current situation sucks so much.Modern culture has lots its way.

 

[PeacePlease]

Hint: Help is basically locking said person up against his/her will in a psych ward, force treatment and drugs on said person, then after some time, when said person is released, the person is then saddled with medical bills and debt, then has a mark/stain on his/her record. Also, said person's life is ruined as a result of such intervention, financially, career-wise, educational, social life, and more.).

Not to mention that psychiatric drugs fry your brain contrary to what big pharma says and cause horrible withdrawal symptoms wich might take years to recover from. And that if you do fully recover. So you basically end up worse

 

[TAW122]

@jules18 It seems to be the case with a lot of news articles regarding suicides, they probably don't want others to know the method for fear of copycat suicides or giving others' ideas. It is censorship and it's sad. As far as the Dutch on euthanasia, I believe you are right, they are by far the most advanced and progressive in that area. I just wished more of the world would catch up to their model, this way, it would pave the road to a more humane, compassionate society.

@Jean Améry Yes, I think you are right in ancient cultures, suicide is seen as an valid option, even as an honorable way out (death before shame, guilt, dishonor, etc.). Also, in ancient East Asian culture, particularly the Japanese in feudal times, suicide is seen as honorable and better to die dignified, honorably than to live with shame.

@PeacePlease Yes, big pharma is an evil capitalistic money making machine and while I'm not on those drugs, I don't plan to get on those drugs at all. I'd rather not fuck up my body and mind when my life is already fucked up in many ways.

 

[PeacePlease]

@thrw_a_way1221221 yes, dont ever do it. My brain is damaged because of that. Depression is bad but the e effects of those drugs are worse

 

[CornerE]

(Hint: Help is basically locking said person up against his/her will in a psych ward, force treatment and drugs on said person, then after some time, when said person is released, the person is then saddled with medical bills and debt, then has a mark/stain on his/her record. Also, said person's life is ruined as a result of such intervention, financially, career-wise, educational, social life, and more.). Ugh, this is not the way to approach this issue and if anything, it's no surprise that said person didn't open up for the fear of ALL this bullshit happening. Then people act fucking surprised that she died. No shit sherlock, who the hell would open up and get fucked over like that? Certainly not someone genuinely suicidal. To be fair, maybe she didn't want to die, but nobody except her knows for sure.

Exactly , you start to attempt suicide with some life issues that may be solvable .
Then as soon as they get the hold of you Baaam you're over , you're doomed for sure .

they manage to fuck your life up even harder , add up more troubles than you already had , getting in the way of solving your problems with every thing they could .

Addressing your problems is not an option , you have to cope with it / "adjust" to it .

and we have to open up for new troubles they specially made for us ; it's a mix of psychiatric, mental, social , financial , career related and physical burdens physical issues from all that toxic medications that does nothing but fucking up your body inside out .

They enjoy seeing all that eating you alive while it serves their best interests , not just for the fun of it .

I just can't decide who is the sick / mental /psycho here , certainly not their "patients".

They burden you up with more and more reasons to end your life ASAP .. and WE are supposed to be the irrational mentals here .

 

[TAW122]

@CornerE This is precisely why I have so much resentment for the industry and field itself. I get that these people pursue those careers with the intent of 'helping' people and thinking that they are noble saints, but that is far from the truth. If anything, I believe there must be an serious overhaul of how they approach suicidal people, because nobody truly suicidal would ever want to get 'help' especially when they know what will happen when they open up.

 

[fisil]

Second Parkland shooting survivor commits suicide within span of a week

Another young survivor of the Parkland school massacre has committed suicide — the second such tragic death in the span of a week, authorities said Sunday. The student was identified only as a soph…

nypost.com

Second parkland shooter survivor killed himself.

 

[YukiFox]

Kind of annoying they didn't say what method she used.

The grand media doesn't quote the suicide method as an press guideline in general. Supposedly, that could prevent some copycat suicides, specially if they disclose the method of some celebrity who kills theirself. And some pro-life activists makes some annoying complaints on the media who discloses the suicide method and ask for their removal of site. That's the reason of not mentioning the method.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

Kind of annoying they didn't say what method she used.

Yeah, I mean there are few cultures on earth that have a positive of view on suicide. I believe in Greece, Rome and other ancient cultures they had a more positive view on it. Suicide was deemed permissible and dignified if you had good reasons for it. But these cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. That is to say dignity and honor were things that were taken extremely seriously. Today I believe the Dutch are the most progressive when it comes to being open-minded about euthanasia.

She shot herself. Kind of ironic being that they were all campaigning to get firearms banned

 

[TAW122]

She shot herself. Kind of ironic being that they were all campaigning to get firearms banned lol.

The first victim or the second victim? I didn't find any information about which methods either of them used.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

The first victim or the second victim? I didn't find any information about which methods either of them used.

Damn, sorry it was only the first victim that shot themselves. I read the wrong article. We might find out in a week or so.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

The first victim or the second victim? I didn't find any information about which methods either of them used.

It's confirmed now second victim shot herself too

 

[neveranyhope]

Kind of annoying they didn't say what method she used.

Yeah, I mean there are few cultures on earth that have a positive of view on suicide. I believe in Greece, Rome and other ancient cultures they had a more positive view on it. Suicide was deemed permissible and dignified if you had good reasons for it. But these cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. That is to say dignity and honor were things that were taken extremely seriously. Today I believe the Dutch are the most progressive when it comes to being open-minded about euthanasia.

I wouldn't say ancient cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. And it was still a negative thing in ancient Greece and Rome, some viewed it as acceptable in certain circumstances to redeem yourself to society (similar to how that French guy committed suicide after he learned he'd lost a lot of people's money investing with Madoff) - but in other circumstances, as today, I don't think it was widely viewed as no big deal.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

She shot herself. Kind of ironic being that they were all campaigning to get firearms banned

Typical. Suicide is an unpardonable sin (or sign of obvious mental illness) UNTIL the speaker's life is so bad they decide ... to commit suicide.

 

[jules18]

I wouldn't say ancient cultures had more philosophical integrity and moral fiber than modern bankrupt culture. And it was still a negative thing in ancient Greece and Rome, some viewed it as acceptable in certain circumstances to redeem yourself to society (similar to how that French guy committed suicide after he learned he'd lost a lot of people's money investing with Madoff) - but in other circumstances, as today, I don't think it was widely viewed as no big deal.

A government that puts you in psych wards and pumps you full of drugs versus one that lets you petition them for what is in effect a sanctioned suicide is a night and day difference when it comes to moral fiber.