Help Overcoming Survival Instinct.

[N3UR0T1C]

Hey everyone.

I am going to be ctb soon, and I'm looking for ways, medication or not, to overcome the survival instinct. Thanks.

 

[not_a_robot]

No idea if this would help. I tried it once and all I did was hypnotize myself into seeing god for a minute.

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[LivingToLong]

Other than with medication/drugs, my own belief is that there is no way of overcoming the SI. It is a natural response and not something you can control.

Though I don't know, there are yogis that can apparently slow their heart rate to virtually nil by 'thinking' about it, so maybe you could control the SI with your mind! I guess you could spend years in isolation training to be a yogi!

I think people talk about different things when they talk of SI though. I think some people are referring to the 'fear' that inevitably kicks in before CBTing. I think you can control (or accept) that.

 

[calendulo]

Hey everyone.

I am going to be ctb soon, and I'm looking for ways, medication or not, to overcome the survival instinct. Thanks.

So far, it's best question that I've read here. Congratulations.

I do not think chemistry or medication can taking part in this issue. No relations between.

Time ago, I read about the final choice of the self deliverance. Fifteen minutes before is when choice is taken, so done.

Survival instinct is your own. Always will be a reason to live and as the human body is wisdom, it will try avoid to die at all costs. Like when you get to finish a long distance run race, go through from euphoria until exhaustion in minutes. Suddenly, the body does stop.

Really it's complicated to answer that question, but I think it's impossible overcome it. The extra mile, there is always one more step....

greetings. Good subject.

 

[The Mute Viking]

So far, it's best question that I've read here. Congratulations.

I do not think chemistry or medication can taking part in this issue. No relations between.

Time ago, I read about the final choice of the self deliverance. Fifteen minutes before is when choice is taken, so done.

Survival instinct is your own. Always will be a reason to live and as the human body is wisdom, it will try avoid to die at all costs. Like when you get to finish a long distance run race, go through from euphoria until exhaustion in minutes. Suddenly, the body does stop.

Really it's complicated to answer that question, but I think it's impossible overcome it. The extra mile, there is always one more step....

greetings. Good subject.

That is an amazing post, enjoyed reading it.
I believe what you said is really accurate regarding "the end".
It's engrained into us to survive at all cost and it takes actual willpower of the mind to take apart the emotions you are going through as you engaging in behavior regarding your demise.
For those who do successfully end their lives, I think half of them are fighting it til the very end because they were unable to overcome this hurdle but their fate was sealed.
For the other half, who knows how they were able to do such and go in peace. We'll never know, the dead don't reveal their secrets. They take them with them to the grave.

Go in peace, komrade.

 

[throwaway123]

Other than with medication/drugs, my own belief is that there is no way of overcoming the SI. It is a natural response and not something you can control.

Though I don't know, there are yogis that can apparently slow their heart rate to virtually nil by 'thinking' about it, so maybe you could control the SI with your mind! I guess you could spend years in isolation training to be a yogi!

I think people talk about different things when they talk of SI though. I think some people are referring to the 'fear' that inevitably kicks in before CBTing. I think you can control (or accept) that.

This.
Life and death is beyond our control. I believe suicide is fate. I don't believe that one has much control over it. To CTB often takes years if not decades. It's a long slow process.
Everyone who is here is caught between life and death. Unable to decide but someday you will have to decide. I believe the majority choses to continue living in misery and try to get better. The few that do decide to die have never made a conscious decision. Whether you want to live or not is not something you yourself decide. It is deep within you. I guess you could say it's your subconscious mind making the decision for you and I guess that's when you know you're "ready".
Then the conscious mind becomes aware of the fact that it's fate is already sealed. At that point you either reject it and chose to live in denial or take the next step and accept it. Accepting one's fate is not an easy task. I haven't been able to do it but you can't outrun it forever. At some point it's going to catch up to you. Better to be in control of "when" that happens.

It's when you feel that inner peace and willingness to let go and embrace the end of life and you accept that it's the only way out.

Someday it's going to come for all of us. Most of the people here live in denial. That's why we're still here. If you're really close to CTB you will either mentally break down or you will immediately push to do it. It's not an impulse kind of thing. It's more like an urge.

 

[Letmego. Please]

I guess for me it has always come down to my mental state, you get depressed, every day feels like hell & all you want to do is end it, now i often forget between episodes of depression (probably my mind not wanting to remember) how the whole process, for me at least goes, i can spend months/year or more depressed wanting nothing but the end Now & frustrated that i just cannot let go, then i get back to the point i did a 7/8mths ago where i remember that it is always this way, the fighting with myself to give up when stupid in me still clings to hope, but thats fine as for me it is just part of the process. Now i have got to the easy bit, where there is no Si just a absolute need, the type that intrudes constantly into your thoughts, taunting you to just get it done (by now the depression doesn't help by sucking the life out of me when i still have shit to sort)

I understand that for a lot of you this is a rational life choice (if i have worded that wrong no offence was intended) in the face of a world/society that is truly fucked up & you do not want to live in.
I just come at it from a purely screwed up mental health, lifetime of recurrent depression point, so i think what tips us over the edge so to speak is going to be different for everybody.

 

[The Mute Viking]

I agree, Letmego. I read what you said twice, and I feel that.

For me I'm just waiting on that final word from the ex to send me over.

 

[calendulo]

Survival Instinct.Physics in its purest form, but here people are thinking and talking all the time about Chemistry.

In my POV, two years ago thoght about it. Downloaded The final exit and understood about death, well, I did a try to understand.

Learning myself. After It shows in fron tof you the needed of the Tool (In capital). Search and choose the best option or whatever, do not mind everybody have it yours.

I did choose my option.
Meantime I lived and I am living in the good way.

You Have everything. Ready.

And the final: When?.........The Question.

Time and space are the two singles things I can see: Never saw Chemistry, ever.

I do not know, survival instinct maybe.

 

[Iwantoutrightnow]

When I od'd I found it I had very few problems with si. I had more than what lostallhope said I needed with alcohol and was sure that it was going to work- obviously it didn't. But being convinced it would work really seemed to help.

I also set fire to myself once. It was a very desperate attempt but again I was convinced that there would be no coming back from it and it was a very close call.

Now si uses these failed attempts to undermine my confidence. I've experienced a very painful method and I don't want that so si tells me that everything will be painful. I've tried what should have been peaceful but failed and si tells me the next method will fail too.

Now, thinking about jumping I'm reminded of going off diving boards when I was on my school dive team and that time in the air thinking when am I going to hit the water? Then the pain if you hit the water wrong and that was nowhere near as high as where I want to jump from. Apparently it will take 6 seconds to hit the water from where I want to jump, which doesn't sound long but it will feel like an eternity. And it will hurt.

I think confidence has a lot to do with overcoming si, unfortunately I've lost mine.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

It's difficult because it's in our nature. It's in every animal nature the need to survive but humans are the only animals that feel suicidal.

 

[Moose]

Im planning on ending it all in the next few days, i plan to inject kcl into my veins

 

[Cutepoison]

Im planning on ending it all in the next few days, i plan to inject kcl into my veins

What's kcl?

 

[Moose]

What's kcl?

Potassium chloride

 

[aloneintheworld]

I'm struggling with this too been planning to CTB every night this week but I keep chickening out. I've sabotaged everything waiting to do it because I haven't cared about things because I thought I'd be dead by now anyways so now I really have to be dead because I really messed my situation up to keep living. I need to get over this SI

 

[Daffodil]

I think you can overcome it by recognizing what it is. It's nerves, it's horrible anxiety and stress. It's the same feeling I get going to a big job interview. If you know it's SI and not an actual desire to survive, you have to be stronger than it. Take breaks, breath through it, but make small steps towards your goal.

 

[AlreadyGone]

I feel that once the pain is too great to go on living, SI will not be a factor because at that point, there will not be anything holding you back.

 

[aloneintheworld]

I feel that once the pain is too great to go on living, SI will not be a factor because at that point, there will not be anything holding you back.

Do you think I could be having the second thoughts and issues with the survival instinct chickening out because I'm waiting on a person who isn't going to come around but I want them to if that makes sense...the person is my mom she stopped loving me and it hurts so bad we were so close and I'm disabled and I was dependent on here and now I just feel more broke than ever

 

[90sAesthetics]

Other than with medication/drugs, my own belief is that there is no way of overcoming the SI. It is a natural response and not something you can control.

Though I don't know, there are yogis that can apparently slow their heart rate to virtually nil by 'thinking' about it, so maybe you could control the SI with your mind! I guess you could spend years in isolation training to be a yogi!

I think people talk about different things when they talk of SI though. I think some people are referring to the 'fear' that inevitably kicks in before CBTing. I think you can control (or accept) that.

Helps to train the brain. When a sad or overly-emotional/fearful thought comes in, just think-and-or-say "Nope. Nope... Nope... No."

In my experience during "practice runs", it helps recognize that it's just a foolish subconscious desire to stay in the world, when the active logical conscience knows there's no point in staying.

 

[Elekrel]

"When the time comes it's time to stop making excuses and overthinking everything. You just gotta get off your ass and do it - that's the hardest part. " - @cheeki_breeki, 2018. i personally like this comment via other thread, relating to this.

i wish i can give you the simplest answer for you to limit the survival instinct. i have been struggling with this toy for couple of months now. when do you want to want to catch the bus, and everyone is struggling to get on. you might just pushed off and fantasize about you being dead.... or might be me. but, i think you just need to follow advice of others and try different methods for one is simple enough for you.

 

[Finis Autem Spero]

Personally, I'm going to rage through it. It's worked before to burn through other thoughts, should do the trick this time.