Discussion OTC hallucinations meds

[babyneo1]

I will be trying dimenhydrinate or Dramamine tomorrow (have to buy first).

Any other interesting OTC pills or meds you can do to get high/vertigo?

 

[Celerity]

Personally, if you are in the US, I would snag edible THC while it's still legal. Congress recently closed the farm bill loophole companies had been exploiting. A lot of people like the gummies, but I preferred the liquid form - Pamos in particular. Just take it on an empty stomach, start low, and give it 2-4 hours to kick in. You can drink a beer with it to get crossfaded, but I would avoid overdoing it.

I have also seen new amanita muscaria tinctures advertised on Facebook, but I am not sure how safe those are and can't speak to the high. Psyched Wellness is the most recent I remember.

 

[hurts2b]

Are you sure? That's a universally miserable time according to everyone who's ever done it.

 

[iguazo falls]

I will be trying dimenhydrinate or Dramamine tomorrow (have to buy first).

Any other interesting OTC pills or meds you can do to get high/vertigo?

i used to do stuff similar to dph, and i really dont recommend it. before you buy or take it, i recommend you research the science of anticholinergics, and also note that other peoples bad experiences aren't just for shock, it really just sucks. i think the worst part is the dry mouth, the unpredictability no matter the dosage, the panic/paranoia, and the fact that theres usually a hangover that for me lasts a week, kills my brain, and makes it feel like satan had to inhabit my body as empathy training from god but satan is satan, and being a human only solidifies his hatred, so when he looks into the mirror, he is like WTF fml. this shit makes sematary and ICP sound GOOD which is horrifying!

beforedoing anything i will always sugegst doing at least an hours of research and by research not just youtube farms of trip stories i mean go to wikipedia or find a faq or someone on reddit who might be smart. i wouldnt bother with any of these if you are taking other medications because they can inhibit your liver enzymes or contribute towards serotonin syndrome which has happened to me from mixing stuff. im going to assume for whatever reason you don't have weed.

alternatives ive been doing are

DXM, which sucks in its own ways and most people don't like it (i watched Goblin's video, and i feel his dislike for DXM actually contributes to some misinformation and poor advice), but isn't as shitty as DPH. it is a dissociative but also works on serotonin receptors and opioid receptors. i used to trip alot on it. if you take it, then realise that less is more, don't eat a fat burger before taking it, stay inside with trusted people or alone, have a plan to go to the toilet if you puke/shit, and listen to good music. popular youtubers/artists will hate on dxm then you realise they didnt know what they were taking, took way too much, expected it to be like shrooms or codiene, went to mcdonalds to eat some slop, went outside in public, and then had a terrible time. the body load is pretty big on this one and do not mix it with alcohol. binging can come with psychosis and mood swings, do not redose if you took a dose over 2 hours ago, i can explain more why because i have fucked up in that way.

a great source for information is William Whites FAQ, he goes thru everything and has harm reduction advice in there. the only outdated information is that DXM is now a FDA approved antidepressant

ive been taking kava lately, i probably havent prepped it right so if i did i think it would be more potent but kava potientates GABA agonism so when i sip on kava i drink/vape chamomile tea. the chamomile is a slight benzodizapene receptor agonist so i just feel relaxed and really sleepy. downsides to kava tho is it is an NRI so sometimes if ur not used to it it makes you anxious. its also a (reversible unlike the medication. reversible means it wont destroy the enzymes but inhibits it for a bit) MAOI so dont mix it with random stuff.

stuff i don't reccomend that ive tried:

- nutmeg: yea not even the beatniks wanted this shit, the bodyload is immense and terrible, and yeah it WORKS i guess if you wait like 6-8 hours and endure the dry mouth. idek how i got past drinking that shit
- other anticholinergics: same stuff different day
- cloves: actually this worked but its not that enjoyable and i just like cloves but the amt u wouldhave to consume is stupid
- theres other stuff that i havent tried but know a bit about, if you wanna reply what youre interested in i can share what i know. i would like to try kanna and syrian rue in future or perhaps morning glory but i need dedicated time and some prep. id also like to try peyote but im a little put off by traditional psychedelics.

 

[babyneo1]

Personally, if you are in the US, I would snag edible THC while it's still legal. Congress recently closed the farm bill loophole companies had been exploiting. A lot of people like the gummies, but I preferred the liquid form - Pamos in particular. Just take it on an empty stomach, start low, and give it 2-4 hours to kick in. You can drink a beer with it to get crossfaded, but I would avoid overdoing it.

I have also seen new amanita muscaria tinctures advertised on Facebook, but I am not sure how safe those are and can't speak to the high. Psyched Wellness is the most recent I remember.

Not in US

i used to do stuff similar to dph, and i really dont recommend it. before you buy or take it, i recommend you research the science of anticholinergics, and also note that other peoples bad experiences aren't just for shock, it really just sucks. i think the worst part is the dry mouth, the unpredictability no matter the dosage, the panic/paranoia, and the fact that theres usually a hangover that for me lasts a week, kills my brain, and makes it feel like satan had to inhabit my body as empathy training from god but satan is satan, and being a human only solidifies his hatred, so when he looks into the mirror, he is like WTF fml. this shit makes sematary and ICP sound GOOD which is horrifying!

beforedoing anything i will always sugegst doing at least an hours of research and by research not just youtube farms of trip stories i mean go to wikipedia or find a faq or someone on reddit who might be smart. i wouldnt bother with any of these if you are taking other medications because they can inhibit your liver enzymes or contribute towards serotonin syndrome which has happened to me from mixing stuff. im going to assume for whatever reason you don't have weed.

alternatives ive been doing are

DXM, which sucks in its own ways and most people don't like it (i watched Goblin's video, and i feel his dislike for DXM actually contributes to some misinformation and poor advice), but isn't as shitty as DPH. it is a dissociative but also works on serotonin receptors and opioid receptors. i used to trip alot on it. if you take it, then realise that less is more, don't eat a fat burger before taking it, stay inside with trusted people or alone, have a plan to go to the toilet if you puke/shit, and listen to good music. popular youtubers/artists will hate on dxm then you realise they didnt know what they were taking, took way too much, expected it to be like shrooms or codiene, went to mcdonalds to eat some slop, went outside in public, and then had a terrible time. the body load is pretty big on this one and do not mix it with alcohol. binging can come with psychosis and mood swings, do not redose if you took a dose over 2 hours ago, i can explain more why because i have fucked up in that way.

a great source for information is William Whites FAQ, he goes thru everything and has harm reduction advice in there. the only outdated information is that DXM is now a FDA approved antidepressant

ive been taking kava lately, i probably havent prepped it right so if i did i think it would be more potent but kava potientates GABA agonism so when i sip on kava i drink/vape chamomile tea. the chamomile is a slight benzodizapene receptor agonist so i just feel relaxed and really sleepy. downsides to kava tho is it is an NRI so sometimes if ur not used to it it makes you anxious. its also a (reversible unlike the medication. reversible means it wont destroy the enzymes but inhibits it for a bit) MAOI so dont mix it with random stuff.

stuff i don't reccomend that ive tried:

- nutmeg: yea not even the beatniks wanted this shit, the bodyload is immense and terrible, and yeah it WORKS i guess if you wait like 6-8 hours and endure the dry mouth. idek how i got past drinking that shit
- other anticholinergics: same stuff different day
- cloves: actually this worked but its not that enjoyable and i just like cloves but the amt u wouldhave to consume is stupid
- theres other stuff that i havent tried but know a bit about, if you wanna reply what youre interested in i can share what i know. i would like to try kanna and syrian rue in future or perhaps morning glory but i need dedicated time and some prep. id also like to try peyote but im a little put off by traditional psychedelics.

I tried researching dimenhydrinate, but there is nothing on it online

 

[iguazo falls]

Not in US

I tried researching dimenhydrinate, but there is nothing on it online

dimenhydrinate is dph mixed with a caffiene analogue. its supposed to keep you awake despite the drowsy effects. research normal diphenhydramine for more info then imagine you ingest caffiene with it lol. i really doubt there is nothing online as someone who gets their info all online about otc drugs. maybe try english sources too if you arent already.

do you have a specific question? below are general sources i have found on DMH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimenhydrinate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticholinergic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium
https://www.erowid.org/pharms/dimenhydrinate/dimenhydrinate.shtml
https://tripsit.me/factsheets/dramamine

 

[babyneo1]

dimenhydrinate is dph mixed with a caffiene analogue. its supposed to keep you awake despite the drowsy effects. research normal diphenhydramine for more info then imagine you ingest caffiene with it lol. i really doubt there is nothing online as someone who gets their info all online about otc drugs. maybe try english sources too if you arent already.

do you have a specific question? below are general sources i have found on DMH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimenhydrinate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticholinergic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium
https://www.erowid.org/pharms/dimenhydrinate/dimenhydrinate.shtml
https://tripsit.me/factsheets/dramamine

On wikipedia: Hallucinations, psychosis, and an unusual sensitivity to sudden sounds have also been reported.[6][7][8

Seeking for this, 10 pills

 

[iguazo falls]

On wikipedia: Hallucinations, psychosis, and an unusual sensitivity to sudden sounds have also been reported.[6][7][8

Seeking for this, 10 pills

its still better u not do it at all but if youre deadset, id take a normal amount if its your first time. like 1-2 pills. the reason why is that first it gives you a bit of a feel for what you're taking. the heaviness and dry mouth might hit and the hallucinations are more like bugs and you'll likely hate it. you can't untake anything but you can add something later if you so wish (not that i encourage it especially with anticholinergics). the other reason why is that you could have an especially shit reaction to it. i list myself as allergic for this class of medicine because it doesn't make me sleepy; a normal amount has me tweaking like an actual methhead and it makes my HPPD (basically long term visual shit like hallucinations and visual snow from drugs) alot worse. the worst part for me too is the delusions stick and i try and explain to people and i come off like a crackhead but even when i recognise the science i still believe in the delusion because its literally what i saw and can pattern-spot.

if you do decide to take it tho then pls reach out if u need help and call emergency if you feel you took too much (you can answer stuff like "why did u take this" as u wish since i get wanting to avoid the psych ward but yea ykwim i just dont want u in pain or freaking out). are you just bored, or trying to distract yourself? dxm is as easily available as dph and itll make you dumb as rocks too and isnt good for your liver and shit but at least it isnt haunting your mind and stuff. and whatever you do, keep stuff like weapons away from you before dosing so u dont hurt yourself if you get up while delirious and try not to get yourself outside or in sketchy situations.

 

[babyneo1]

its still better u not do it at all but if youre deadset, id take a normal amount if its your first time. like 1-2 pills. the reason why is that first it gives you a bit of a feel for what you're taking. the heaviness and dry mouth might hit and the hallucinations are more like bugs and you'll likely hate it. you can't untake anything but you can add something later if you so wish (not that i encourage it especially with anticholinergics). the other reason why is that you could have an especially shit reaction to it. i list myself as allergic for this class of medicine because it doesn't make me sleepy; a normal amount has me tweaking like an actual methhead and it makes my HPPD (basically long term visual shit like hallucinations and visual snow from drugs) alot worse. the worst part for me too is the delusions stick and i try and explain to people and i come off like a crackhead but even when i recognise the science i still believe in the delusion because its literally what i saw and can pattern-spot.

if you do decide to take it tho then pls reach out if u need help and call emergency if you feel you took too much (you can answer stuff like "why did u take this" as u wish since i get wanting to avoid the psych ward but yea ykwim i just dont want u in pain or freaking out). are you just bored, or trying to distract yourself? dxm is as easily available as dph and itll make you dumb as rocks too and isnt good for your liver and shit but at least it isnt haunting your mind and stuff. and whatever you do, keep stuff like weapons away from you before dosing so u dont hurt yourself if you get up while delirious and try not to get yourself outside or in sketchy situations.

Thanks for the detailed reply, anything you recommend OTC (I'm in Europe) for hallucinations? I never experienced and really want to

 

[iguazo falls]

Thanks for the detailed reply, anything you recommend OTC (I'm in Europe) for hallucinations? I never experienced and really want to

i dont live in europe, but dxm (dextromethorphan) is in cough medicine almost globally. just always make sure its the only active ingredient, and start with a normal amount so you can monitor for poor reactions/not liking it. if you like it then you can research recreational doses. its important to check the ingredients of whatever cough syrup because they often contain paracetamol (bad for your liver like really bad in high doses), anticholinergics, or guafecenin (bad for your kidneys and makes you sick).

there are plant based things like kava/kanna you could have shipped over to you. they have their own unique effects. theres morning glory seeds/LSA and similar, just make sure to do lots of research on proper preparation especially something like LSA where it is psychedelic and will probably make you sick.

if you would like something sedating then those sleepy teas are actually legit but not trippy or anything. chamomile, valerian, lemongrass etc etc. you might have some vivid dreams too.

your best bet is to go spend a few days researching on english sources, then see if whatever you find is available in your region.

id avoid stuff like loperamide (known for inducing heart problems), datura (anticolhinergic), weird thc analogues, nutmeg, synthetic cathinones, and idk theres probs more but these ik are just prone to psychotic effects. theres other things i havent mentioned but i dont know enough about them and its availability to you to either reccomend or not reccomend them in lieu of taking dph. if you find something im happy to do some research or tell what i know, but im not a scientist just loser.

just another thing i wanted to add too, is you might not get visuals (i am assuming you want visuals; hallucinations are more when you actually can't discern them from reality and are generally pretty distressing). i have an affinity for visuals plus other schizotypy traits and pre-existing visual snow, but some people only really get emotional/physical effects that don't include as much visuals. i find it kind of correlates with how imaginative you are, but i haven't done any proper study into it. having low expectations is a good thing to have because you aren't overdosing trying to finally get visuals. for stuff like dxm its important youre in a dark room where you can relax

 

[babyneo1]

You hear

i dont live in europe, but dxm (dextromethorphan) is in cough medicine almost globally. just always make sure its the only active ingredient, and start with a normal amount so you can monitor for poor reactions/not liking it. if you like it then you can research recreational doses. its important to check the ingredients of whatever cough syrup because they often contain paracetamol (bad for your liver like really bad in high doses), anticholinergics, or guafecenin (bad for your kidneys and makes you sick).

there are plant based things like kava/kanna you could have shipped over to you. they have their own unique effects. theres morning glory seeds/LSA and similar, just make sure to do lots of research on proper preparation especially something like LSA where it is psychedelic and will probably make you sick.

if you would like something sedating then those sleepy teas are actually legit but not trippy or anything. chamomile, valerian, lemongrass etc etc. you might have some vivid dreams too.

your best bet is to go spend a few days researching on english sources, then see if whatever you find is available in your region.

id avoid stuff like loperamide (known for inducing heart problems), datura (anticolhinergic), weird thc analogues, nutmeg, synthetic cathinones, and idk theres probs more but these ik are just prone to psychotic effects. theres other things i havent mentioned but i dont know enough about them and its availability to you to either reccomend or not reccomend them in lieu of taking dph. if you find something im happy to do some research or tell what i know, but im not a scientist just loser.

just another thing i wanted to add too, is you might not get visuals (i am assuming you want visuals; hallucinations are more when you actually can't discern them from reality and are generally pretty distressing). i have an affinity for visuals plus other schizotypy traits and pre-existing visual snow, but some people only really get emotional/physical effects that don't include as much visuals. i find it kind of correlates with how imaginative you are, but i haven't done any proper study into it. having low expectations is a good thing to have because you aren't overdosing trying to finally get visuals. for stuff like dxm its important youre in a dark room where you can relax

You heard about loperamide and tonic water combo

i dont live in europe, but dxm (dextromethorphan) is in cough medicine almost globally. just always make sure its the only active ingredient, and start with a normal amount so you can monitor for poor reactions/not liking it. if you like it then you can research recreational doses. its important to check the ingredients of whatever cough syrup because they often contain paracetamol (bad for your liver like really bad in high doses), anticholinergics, or guafecenin (bad for your kidneys and makes you sick).

there are plant based things like kava/kanna you could have shipped over to you. they have their own unique effects. theres morning glory seeds/LSA and similar, just make sure to do lots of research on proper preparation especially something like LSA where it is psychedelic and will probably make you sick.

if you would like something sedating then those sleepy teas are actually legit but not trippy or anything. chamomile, valerian, lemongrass etc etc. you might have some vivid dreams too.

your best bet is to go spend a few days researching on english sources, then see if whatever you find is available in your region.

id avoid stuff like loperamide (known for inducing heart problems), datura (anticolhinergic), weird thc analogues, nutmeg, synthetic cathinones, and idk theres probs more but these ik are just prone to psychotic effects. theres other things i havent mentioned but i dont know enough about them and its availability to you to either reccomend or not reccomend them in lieu of taking dph. if you find something im happy to do some research or tell what i know, but im not a scientist just loser.

just another thing i wanted to add too, is you might not get visuals (i am assuming you want visuals; hallucinations are more when you actually can't discern them from reality and are generally pretty distressing). i have an affinity for visuals plus other schizotypy traits and pre-existing visual snow, but some people only really get emotional/physical effects that don't include as much visuals. i find it kind of correlates with how imaginative you are, but i haven't done any proper study into it. having low expectations is a good thing to have because you aren't overdosing trying to finally get visuals. for stuff like dxm its important youre in a dark room where you can relax

I am a seeking try to get hallucinations for the first time in my life