Help One last try time before suicide?

[Daria98765]

I'm on the edge of actually ctb,but a random thoughts came up to me.
1.Is it possible to remove all the consequences of psychological trauma?
2.And where can i find an answer for this?

After a trauma, a person has negative associations, fears, and many other things that torment him.
Is there a way to remove all this in such a way as if the trauma itself never happened?

I tried many things,they DIDN'T help me : sport,psychotherapy,meditation,hypnosis,drug interventions,lifestyle changes,''breath techniques'', ''New life goals'',and other methods that are not capable of what I'm looking for.


I hate myself for asking this question,because i'm fed up with those 'looking for a solution'' tries of mine that almost always were ignored or got answer with top-10 ''deal with it'' ways or some weirdo methods like breath techniques or odd semi-hypnosis ''modern, alternative'' therapies.
I'm already so stressed just by typing all this,because many people are so toxic when you tell them their method is not working for you.


What platform do you know where this type of questions can be answered?
Like Quora or stack exchange?I'm currently searching sites with scientific articles and books about the treatment of psychological trauma, but there are only standard lists of different psychotherapies like :
Cognitive processing therapy,Prolonged exposure therapy,Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR),Emotional freedom technique (tapping),Cognitive behavioural psychotherapy Gestalt therapy and etc.

 

[novem]

how about time and making good memories instead?

 

[Zegers]

I tried many things,they DIDN'T help me : sport,psychotherapy,meditation,hypnosis,drug interventions,lifestyle changes,''breath techniques'', ''New life goals'',and other methods that are not capable of what I'm looking for.

you got the answer

 

[Daria98765]

how about time and making good memories instead?

This is the first thing I tried, it didn't work.

 

[novem]

how about time and making good memories instead?

it had been proven that we can change our own memories each time we revisit our memories they are being overridden.

 

[Niko66]

If the alternative is suicide then I'd try illegal drugs first, MDMA, Ketamine, psychedelics. *shrug* Always do some research on whatever you are taking though, for example MDMA will depress the shit out of you afterwards and might increase someone's chance of suicide. But I've read it's been found effective to treat people with PTSD in a controlled therapeutic environment, the wonders we could have in life if some greedy selfish 80 year old fucks didn't control our world

 

[novem]

If the alternative is suicide then I'd try illegal drugs first, MDMA, Ketamine, psychedelics. *shrug* Always do some research on whatever you are taking though, for example MDMA will depress the shit out of you afterwards and might increase someone's chance of suicide. But I've read it's been found effective to treat people with PTSD in a controlled therapeutic environment, the wonders we could have in life if some greedy selfish 80 year old fucks didn't control our world

beware of a bad trip. i'd been always afraid of bad trip thing that could potentially create more damage. there are medicines that can stop a bad trip but i am not an expert

 

[Niko66]

beware of a bad trip. i'd been always afraid of bad trip thing that could potentially create more damage. there are medicines that can stop a bad trip but i am not an expert

Benzos are the popularly recommended drugs to stop a bad trip, ideally Xanax which is faster acting, I am not so sure they stop a trip though so much as they calm you down.

 

[watchingthewheels]

Gotta chuckle at the frequent suggestions to try psychedelics before CBT, as if one can just casually stroll into a LSD store...(I would, if I could...)

 

[Bong-Hit-Transplant]

If you really wanna make sure you exhausted all possible options, maybe try finding a therapist with a PHD in trauma psychology?

I'm sure you've been to a million different therapists, like most people here, but if anyone's going to be able to help, it's going to be someone who actually spent years studying the way trauma effects the brain, unlike most whack-jobs who call themselves "therapists".

 

[Daria98765]

If you really wanna make sure you exhausted all possible options, maybe try finding a therapist with a PHD in trauma psychology?

I'm sure you've been to a million different therapists, like most people here, but if anyone's going to be able to help, it's going to be someone who actually spent years studying the way trauma effects the brain, unlike most whack-jobs who call themselves "therapists".

wow,thank you,finally a good advice

 

[hopelessdreams]

i don't think this is completely going to resolve your problems, but there's a really good podcast called the "huberman lab". it's ran by a professor who also does research at harvard. he talks about the biological and scientific side of all things, including trauma, memories, eating disorders end mental changes. it might give you some insight in how your brain works and what you can do to help it a little.

 

[goldenvirginia]

My therapist used a memory re-scripting technique with me. I was sceptical at first, but in retrospect I believe it did help.

 

[Well-Edited Chaos]

Can you remove all of the impacts of a traumatic experience? Probably not, but will depend on the specifics of the event, how long ago it happened, etc.

However, you can reduce the POWER of a traumatic experience. As others have pointed out, memory is not as fixed as we've been told. There's a relatively new technique called traumatic memory reconsolidation. The process - done correctly, with a therapist - seems to remove a lot of the emotion from a memory, so people can function again.

If you don't want to read research studies, there's a book called Nerve: Adventures in the Science of Fear in which the author tries a bunch of things to overcome her fears. She tries the reconsolidation for overcoming her intense fear of heights. It worked for her almost immediately and, as I recall, the changes "stuck."

I would try it myself if I could afford it. I have had EMDR and recommend it highly (fuckin' voodoo magic, that stuff!).

 

[Daria98765]

Can you remove all of the impacts of a traumatic experience? Probably not, but will depend on the specifics of the event, how long ago it happened, etc.

However, you can reduce the POWER of a traumatic experience. As others have pointed out, memory is not as fixed as we've been told. There's a relatively new technique called traumatic memory reconsolidation. The process - done correctly, with a therapist - seems to remove a lot of the emotion from a memory, so people can function again.

If you don't want to read research studies, there's a book called Nerve: Adventures in the Science of Fear in which the author tries a bunch of things to overcome her fears. She tries the reconsolidation for overcoming her intense fear of heights. It worked for her almost immediately and, as I recall, the changes "stuck."

I would try it myself if I could afford it. I have had EMDR and recommend it highly (fuckin' voodoo magic, that stuff!).

I know about it and for one really specific certain reason that is mentioned in every scientific article about memory reconsolidation,i can't be healed with it.

 

[Niko66]

Gotta chuckle at the frequent suggestions to try psychedelics before CBT, as if one can just casually stroll into a LSD store...(I would, if I could...)

Tbf you'd have a harder time finding a doctor with a PHD on trauma in my country than psychedelics lol, I doubt there's a single one (population of 5mill ish) not really LSD but shrooms are pretty global. Drugs are relatively everywhere and much more accessible than most specialized treatments unless you live in the first world. Like say Ketamine therapy you can probably count the countries where it's available with 10 fingers and have to spare.

Whereas you can say grab a few Ubers in almost any country and ask them if they know of say weed dealers and go from there, which ofc I imagine isn't feasible for everyone to bring themselves to but it's at least physically possible compared to making thousands of dollars appear from thin air working at dirt cheap salaries, going to another country and finding your way into one of these therapies.

Unless you are in the also barely handful of countries where treatment beyond "try every SSRI and MAOI we have and hope for the best" is a thing, illegal drugs are easier and cheaper than getting specialized help in the rest of the world we live in

 

[Well-Edited Chaos]

I know about it and for one really specific certain reason that is mentioned in every scientific article about memory reconsolidation,i can't be healed with it.

 

[Daria98765]

But i want to discuss with you this method,can you please start conversation with me,cause i can't open your profile page?

 

[LucyB]

If the alternative is suicide then I'd try illegal drugs first, MDMA, Ketamine, psychedelics. *shrug* Always do some research on whatever you are taking though, for example MDMA will depress the shit out of you afterwards and might increase someone's chance of suicide. But I've read it's been found effective to treat people with PTSD in a controlled therapeutic environment, the wonders we could have in life if some greedy selfish 80 year old fucks didn't control our world

Where can I find these psychedelics

 

[Cathy Ames]

Are you still here? I'm trying to relocate the article (or whatever it was) where I originally read it, but what has popped into my head is that there is a certain writing technique that has supposedly been shown to help (like they did a study on it?). I don't want to describe it incorrectly, but in case I get distracted and never come back here to give the rest of the information, that might be a useful thing. I think I recall it being related to "trauma." Sorry, but it literally took me two days from reading your post to remember this. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Edit: I have remembered that a guy named Pennebaker "discovered" it, and google tells me that it is called "expressive writing." I don't think I remembered it totally correctly. But it also seems like it mostly likely would not be harmful to spend 15-20 minutes per day writing.

Here is a starting point for looking into it and how to do it. This expressive writing paradigm thing could be why writing a 4th step or doing that self-authoring thing can be helpful.

Psychology Classics: James Pennebaker’s Expressive Writing Paradigm — Psychology In Action

ames Pennebaker’s writing paradigm was an important contribution to the young field of health psychology at the time and continues to be used today to explore connections between disclosure and physical and mental health and to generate hypotheses about other psychological phenomena.

www.psychologyinaction.org

 

[Niko66]

Where can I find these psychedelics

Well the more socially isolated the harder it is. Asking acquaintances for say weed dealers, someone selling shrooms would be harder to find but dealers themselves might know someone who does, you'd probably need to buy from em a few times first though.

If you are brave socially then asking around tourist places, such as beaches in hostels and such. Some uber drivers too are generally pretty up to date with such things too.

You can also grow shrooms yourself if your living situation allows it, spores are not illegal in most places as far as I know so you can order them, could still get stopped at customs but it's not illegal per se, but it's work to grow em. Which is a lot to ask from a struggling person.

And I wouldn't know but I have a friend (but he lives in the US) who swears by buying through the deep web and that it's easy, and I do know he isn't exactly lying as he was under drug addiction for a long time and knows his stuff in that regard. I would imagine it depends on your country most of all.

I wouldn't try buying acid off the streets, most of it is not LSD and won't be therapeutic whatsoever, but if you have a testing kit and the money to spare then I guess it is an option to try, they are usually easier to find, just not the real thing.

Ecstasy is also easier to find but it's not therapeutic on itself either, Ketamine I think is also not so hard to find and more on the harmless side.

Also be very wary of interactions with antidepressants or meds which interact with serotonin or dopamine.

 

[LucyB]

Well the more socially isolated the harder it is. Asking acquaintances for say weed dealers, someone selling shrooms would be harder to find but dealers themselves might know someone who does, you'd probably need to buy from em a few times first though.

If you are brave socially then asking around tourist places, such as beaches in hostels and such. Some uber drivers too are generally pretty up to date with such things too.

You can also grow shrooms yourself if your living situation allows it, spores are not illegal in most places as far as I know so you can order them, could still get stopped at customs but it's not illegal per se, but it's work to grow em. Which is a lot to ask from a struggling person.

And I wouldn't know but I have a friend (but he lives in the US) who swears by buying through the deep web and that it's easy, and I do know he isn't exactly lying as he was under drug addiction for a long time and knows his stuff in that regard. I would imagine it depends on your country most of all.

I wouldn't try buying acid off the streets, most of it is not LSD and won't be therapeutic whatsoever, but if you have a testing kit and the money to spare then I guess it is an option to try, they are usually easier to find, just not the real thing.

Thanks I'm in the US and I've seen it on the dark web too so maybe I'll give it try. I'm pretty socially brave but I prefer not to deal with people if I don't have to.

 

[Lost Magic]

I have said this many times, if there are possible ways to overcome ctb, get well and enjoy life, Go for it! You can always ctb sometime in the future if you feel that too much shit has gone wrong. But if you can turn it around, best wishes to you!

 

[Niko66]

Thanks I'm in the US and I've seen it on the dark web too so maybe I'll give it try. I'm pretty socially brave but I prefer not to deal with people if I don't have to.

Well if you ever do get your hands anything, always better to be as informed as possible on whatever you are taking. Addiction potential, interactions, doses, even anecdotes and so on. Psychedelics can be difficult experiences.