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DarkRange55

DarkRange55

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The theory is simple. When two great superpowers come to heads and start to escalate tensions between each other, it usually leads to war. If you read the history of the world, it's generally two large powerful nations going to war with each other when their tensions become too great. And the US and China are on that pathway. China has risen massively over the last couple of decades. And they're so powerful now that the US feels that they're an existential threat, which they're not, but that's how the US feels. There is a lot of disagreements between Republicans and Democrats. But one thing the majority agree on is being antagonistic to China. The US views China as a huge threat to American interests and as a threat to superpower status. If you look at the numbers, the US and China are very closely interlinked economically. They have massive trade between the two of them. The US gets a ton of goods from China.

China's economy has taken a massive hit because a lot of their exports grind to a halt and inflation could potentially be triggered in the US by doubling the price of all the goods from China. Or stopping them all together which leads to shortages. And that causes interest rates to go up, inflation, and it harms the American people.

Unless things cool down, which I hope they do, there is gonna be an eventual war with China. Either the US is gonna feel like it's loosing the trade war and they're going to attack China first. Or China looses the trade war and they get so threatened and their economy comes under so much pressure that they decide to start the war as a last desperate act.

You would see casualties of service members like you've never seen. Most people don't remember World War II and Vietnam. They remember Afghanistan and Iraq where thousands of soldiers unfortunately died. But the kind of casualties that a war with China would generate would be astronomical. Number one, it would be a mostly naval and air war. The US would send the navy to try to bomb their ports, sink their navy, etc. etc. But if China sinks just one carrier or a couple US ships, thats already thousands of dead. What if they sink multiple ships? 10? 20? Well, that's tens of thousands of dead in a short period of time. And thats just on the US because, of course, the US is going to inflict casualties on China. If China goes for Taiwan and the US sends military force there, it's gonna get even more serious. The casualties would explode.

There are a lot of actors out there that would love to see the US distracted by a war with China and would gladly launch a massive war to take advantage of the situation. North Korea has a massive military, one of the largest in the world. Especially when you adjust it for population size. And the North Korean military can actually strike with artillery the South Korean capital of Seoul across the DMZ. It's less than 40 miles from the border. If North Korea saw the US distracted by a massive war with China, they're gonna come flooding over the border and is a heavily populated metropolis. Tens of thousands potentially even millions could die. And in Europe, if Russia gets emboldened and decides to hit harder against NATO. I don't think they'd win. But we've already seen the casualties that have been inflicted just on Ukraine and Russia. And if the US is distracted with a massive war with China, Russia might make a move. In the middle east there are a couple of power brokers. Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel. If all the Arab states sense American weakness or American distraction they might try to exterminate the Israelis like they did in several wars in the past. And all those different competing states might go to war with each other.

Fortunately it seems like things have cooled down for the moment.
 
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The theory is simple. When two great superpowers come to heads and start to escalate tensions between each other, it usually leads to war. If you read the history of the world, it's generally two large powerful nations going to war with each other when their tensions become too great. And the US and China are on that pathway. China has risen massively over the last couple of decades. And they're so powerful now that the US feels that they're an existential threat, which they're not, but that's how the US feels. There is a lot of disagreements between Republicans and Democrats. But one thing the majority agree on is being antagonistic to China. The US views China as a huge threat to American interests and as a threat to superpower status. If you look at the numbers, the US and China are very closely interlinked economically. They have massive trade between the two of them. The US gets a ton of goods from China.

China's economy has taken a massive hit because a lot of their exports grind to a halt and inflation could potentially be triggered in the US by doubling the price of all the goods from China. Or stopping them all together which leads to shortages. And that causes interest rates to go up, inflation, and it harms the American people.

Unless things cool down, which I hope they do, there is gonna be an eventual war with China. Either the US is gonna feel like it's loosing the trade war and they're going to attack China first. Or China looses the trade war and they get so threatened and their economy comes under so much pressure that they decide to start the war as a last desperate act.

You would see casualties of service members like you've never seen. Most people don't remember World War II and Vietnam. They remember Afghanistan and Iraq where thousands of soldiers unfortunately died. But the kind of casualties that a war with China would generate would be astronomical. Number one, it would be a mostly naval and air war. The US would send the navy to try to bomb their ports, sink their navy, etc. etc. But if China sinks just one carrier or a couple US ships, thats already thousands of dead. What if they sink multiple ships? 10? 20? Well, that's tens of thousands of dead in a short period of time. And thats just on the US because, of course, the US is going to inflict casualties on China. If China goes for Taiwan and the US sends military force there, it's gonna get even more serious. The casualties would explode.

There are a lot of actors out there that would love to see the US distracted by a war with China and would gladly launch a massive war to take advantage of the situation. North Korea has a massive military, one of the largest in the world. Especially when you adjust it for population size. And the North Korean military can actually strike with artillery the South Korean capital of Seoul across the DMZ. It's less than 40 miles from the border. If North Korea saw the US distracted by a massive war with China, they're gonna come flooding over the border and is a heavily populated metropolis. Tens of thousands potentially even millions could die. And in Europe, if Russia gets emboldened and decides to hit harder against NATO. I don't think they'd win. But we've already seen the casualties that have been inflicted just on Ukraine and Russia. And if the US is distracted with a massive war with China, Russia might make a move. In the middle east there are a couple of power brokers. Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel. If all the Arab states sense American weakness or American distraction they might try to exterminate the Israelis like they did in several wars in the past. And all those different competing states might go to war with each other.

Fortunately it seems like things have cooled down for the moment.
Interesting opinion but I cannot imagine a direct war between China and the US in the near future. The stakes are too high. The economical damage would be too devastating for both sides. I think both sides are too rational for such a war. Maybe a proxy war for Taiwan. But I think China will wait and strengthen its military.

A war between China and the US would definitely spark WW3 with a high likelihood nuclear armageddon and it think noone has an interest in that. Trump might act like a mad man but I don't think he wants to kill himself and his family with such an action.

On the other hand, we are 3 months into the second Trump and oh boy this gonna be a long ride These 4 years. Slavoj Zizek says He prays Trump will survive these 4 years. In a provocative style He Said Trump is more like the SA but Vance is more like the SS. (Nazi Germany terms)
 
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Well, if a bomb fell on my head I would be happy.
 
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Interesting take. I feel like direct confrontation is off the books. This would be another cold war, the same as the last one. Nothing unprecedented at all, so I'd chill a bit. We would definitely NOT have a Cuban missile crisis this time around. In a more multipolar world like ours (EU, Japan-Korea, India, ASEAN perhaps) cooler heads prevail. And a truly "global exchange" won't happen. Only China and US nuking themselves into oblivion, and Russia maybe tactical striking into non Nato countries. I don't see EU joining a NATO war, not after Trump.
Well, if a bomb fell on my head I would be happy.
Lmao me too
 
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DarkRange55

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Interesting opinion but I cannot imagine a direct war between China and the US in the near future. The stakes are too high. The economical damage would be too devastating for both sides. I think both sides are too rational for such a war. Maybe a proxy war for Taiwan. But I think China will wait and strengthen its military.

A war between China and the US would definitely spark WW3 with a high likelihood nuclear armageddon and it think noone has an interest in that. Trump might act like a mad man but I don't think he wants to kill himself and his family with such an action.

On the other hand, we are 3 months into the second Trump and oh boy this gonna be a long ride These 4 years. Slavoj Zizek says He prays Trump will survive these 4 years. In a provocative style He Said Trump is more like the SA but Vance is more like the SS. (Nazi Germany terms)
Interesting take. I feel like direct confrontation is off the books. This would be another cold war, the same as the last one. Nothing unprecedented at all, so I'd chill a bit. We would definitely NOT have a Cuban missile crisis this time around. In a more multipolar world like ours (EU, Japan-Korea, India, ASEAN perhaps) cooler heads prevail. And a truly "global exchange" won't happen. Only China and US nuking themselves into oblivion, and Russia maybe tactical striking into non Nato countries. I don't see EU joining a NATO war, not after Trump.

Lmao me too
Always appreciate the banter

As I've said in other posts, I think the chances of a direct conventional war between the East and West is a low probability event. I think the chances have been increasing over the last decade though but still not likely.

However, is the US withdrawing from the global stage? Thats a different topic…
 
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