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Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
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Those of you who are here because of a physical disease must hear this all the time.

"Therapy will help you accept your diagnosis and make your life worth living"

In all due respect, I think it's a total bullshit. It's a physical disease, not mental. You will always have a low quality of life. There is no point in living this kind of a life if you don't have to suffer at all. I wanted to have a full-fledged life, not a chronic pain. But I have it, so I'm gonna off myself. I'm not going to any therapy. Go screw yourselves.

Somebody else feels the same?
 
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przeciwwymiotne

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I know 😭😭😭😭😭😭 It's so depressing, I hate the state that my body is in 😭😭😭😭😭😭 I regret everything 😭😭😭😭😭😭
 
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Life_and_Death

Do what's best for you 🕯️ Sometimes I'm stressed
Jul 1, 2020
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psychological therapy just seems stupid, why would one even suggest that when theres PHYSIO THERAPY.
 
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tiny_dancer

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Aug 23, 2022
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Ugh, I know EXACTLY what you're saying. My family is constantly urging me to "take the pills" aka. psych meds- like that is going to help my physical issues that make my life a complete living hell. "Just accept it and move on"- F that!

Just like you said- if the root cause of this is PHYSICAL, it's not something therapy or meds will help. It won't change the fact that you can't live the life you want and deserve. I also refuse to live a life of suffering and just accept that this is my life, being tormented by not being able to do the things I love.
 
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chloramine

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Apr 18, 2022
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It's almost like. If there's a problem. Addressing something completely different to that problem doesn't help. I'm sorry people are pushing that on you. It sounds incredibly frustrating. It should go without saying that replacing the windows doesn't help if the house is sinking, but. People unfortunately market therapy as the solution to more than it's intended to help with.
 
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Cryptonite

Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
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Ugh, I know EXACTLY what you're saying. My family is constantly urging me to "take the pills" aka. psych meds- like that is going to help my physical issues that make my life a complete living hell. "Just accept it and move on"- F that!

Just like you said- if the root cause of this is PHYSICAL, it's not something therapy or meds will help. It won't change the fact that you can't live the life you want and deserve. I also refuse to live a life of suffering and just accept that this is my life, being tormented by not being able to do the things I love.
Cannot agree with you more. We don't deserve it, especially if our life was taken away by incompetent doctors.
It's almost like. If there's a problem. Addressing something completely different to that problem doesn't help. I'm sorry people are pushing that on you. It sounds incredibly frustrating. It should go without saying that replacing the windows doesn't help if the house is sinking, but. People unfortunately market therapy as the solution to more than it's intended to help with.
Very spot on, they market it for everything

How refreshing would be to meet a doctor who'd say: "My friend, there is nothing we can do, your life is ruined, I recommend that you try to find a painless method of suicide and end it all"

I would be deeply thankful to them
 
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FuneralCry

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Sep 24, 2020
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It's really invalidating suggesting therapy if someone has a physical condition. The people suggesting it would think differently if they had the condition themselves. I hate the view that society has that people must carry on suffering no matter what they are going through and that suicide is always unacceptable. People deserve to have their right to die respected and those who invalidate peoples pain should stop forcing their delusional beliefs that everything can be helped onto others.
 
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Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
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It's really invalidating suggesting therapy if someone has a physical condition. The people suggesting it would think differently if they had the condition themselves. I hate the view that society has that people must carry on suffering no matter what they are going through and that suicide is always unacceptable. People deserve to have their right to die respected and those who invalidate peoples pain should stop forcing their delusional beliefs that everything can be helped onto others.
Exactly. Basically, doesn't matter if you have no arms, no legs, you're blind, you have a chronic pain, you can still go to a treatment and work it out. Absolute bullshit. There's a limit.
 
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Aug 23, 2022
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Cannot agree with you more. We don't deserve it, especially if our life was taken away by incompetent doctors.

Very spot on, they market it for everything

How refreshing would be to meet a doctor who'd say: "My friend, there is nothing we can do, your life is ruined, I recommend that you try to find a painless method of suicide and end it all"

I would be deeply thankful to them
IF ONLY!
 
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4390101

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Aug 27, 2022
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This is so true, a goddamn antidepressant won't cure my degenerative bone disease nor will it help me "accept my diagnosis" ofc i accept it i have no other choice but to do so. If my physical condition was only going to get worse i hate the doctors that decided it was a good idea to keep me alive.

also if people are going to market therapy for everythig they should at least know which therapy to suggest, for example physiotherapy for those who can tone down the pain or who's condition could actually improve
 
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Ta555

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I know exactly what you mean. It's medical gaslighting more or less. You say, there's a physical problem, I could be happy or at least content with life if I didn't have this physical issues but you get told it's not really the physical issue but your 'reaction, thoughts and beliefs' about the issue. It basically blames the victim of the disease for not feeling well and not being able to control whatever is going on.

It's even worse when the physical disease is related to the nervous system and doesn't show up on blood tests or scans. It's even worse when one of the symptoms of the physical illness is anxiety/depression as can happen with brain inflammation or viral load. As soon as feelings are involved you have zero chance of actually getting any proper help and everyone will assume you just need to talk it out or go on SSRIs. I have been here for a year. I just got a rescue dog and am going to try my best to hold on for her. If I don't make it, I know my family will love her and take her in.

I absolutely loathe the majority of the medical community and how far up their ass they are that they can't even admit that psychological symptoms such as sudden and random anxiety or depression could be a symptom of a disease. This is happening so much with long COVID. Post-viral psychosis is real. Post-viral depression and anxiety are real. Because the virus or the immune response to it has got your brain out of whack. But all I see is 'no you must be anxious because you think about Covid too much'. No matter how many times I try to explain that my brain doesn't work like it used to and I'm getting so many horrific mental sensations all the time since being sick no one listens and no one believes. They want me to go to therapy and talk about childhood trauma and swallow SSRIs even though before I had the virus I was the happiest I had ever been in my life and the change was swift and brutal.

It's fucking gaslighting and I'm over it. I did try therapy but it was so fucking useless I had to stop. All this acceptance and commitment therapy. Just accept this nightmare I can't control and then I'll be happy. Fuck you Debbie. At least she had the decency to agree with me that this shit wasn't working and she didn't know how to help. Waste of fucking time and money.

Can you tell I'm a little annoyed?
 
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AliceTheGoon

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Jul 1, 2022
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This is why I've stopped talking to people. You could be nothing but a head on a plate and they'd say 'hang in there'.
 
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OnlyWinOnce

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Imo, therapy in general is bullshit.
 
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Cryptonite

Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
723
I know exactly what you mean. It's medical gaslighting more or less. You say, there's a physical problem, I could be happy or at least content with life if I didn't have this physical issues but you get told it's not really the physical issue but your 'reaction, thoughts and beliefs' about the issue. It basically blames the victim of the disease for not feeling well and not being able to control whatever is going on.

It's even worse when the physical disease is related to the nervous system and doesn't show up on blood tests or scans. It's even worse when one of the symptoms of the physical illness is anxiety/depression as can happen with brain inflammation or viral load. As soon as feelings are involved you have zero chance of actually getting any proper help and everyone will assume you just need to talk it out or go on SSRIs. I have been here for a year. I just got a rescue dog and am going to try my best to hold on for her. If I don't make it, I know my family will love her and take her in.

I absolutely loathe the majority of the medical community and how far up their ass they are that they can't even admit that psychological symptoms such as sudden and random anxiety or depression could be a symptom of a disease. This is happening so much with long COVID. Post-viral psychosis is real. Post-viral depression and anxiety are real. Because the virus or the immune response to it has got your brain out of whack. But all I see is 'no you must be anxious because you think about Covid too much'. No matter how many times I try to explain that my brain doesn't work like it used to and I'm getting so many horrific mental sensations all the time since being sick no one listens and no one believes. They want me to go to therapy and talk about childhood trauma and swallow SSRIs even though before I had the virus I was the happiest I had ever been in my life and the change was swift and brutal.

It's fucking gaslighting and I'm over it. I did try therapy but it was so fucking useless I had to stop. All this acceptance and commitment therapy. Just accept this nightmare I can't control and then I'll be happy. Fuck you Debbie. At least she had the decency to agree with me that this shit wasn't working and she didn't know how to help. Waste of fucking time and money.

Can you tell I'm a little annoyed?
To me, you're still actually quite calm, given what happened to you. If I were in your place, I would be committing mayhem. Just as I'm raging now. I'm fu**ing punching the walls out of sheer anger. Why did they misdiagnose me? Why I've had to suffer so much? Why I cannot live my dreams? These are the questions I ask myself. Had they diagnosed me right, I'd be living my full life, with my friends, with my girlfriend, with my beloved sports and travelling.

Medical gaslighting is such an accurate term. It should be used officially. It's funny how doctors' belittling of psychological syptoms happens ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Doesn't matter if you're in the U. S., Germany, Spain, Brazil, Australia, Japan or South Africa, chances are, IT'S ALL IN YOUR BRAIN.

Luckily we're all here to help ourselves on our own. We don't need them.
 
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hamvil

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Aug 29, 2022
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It is not like 2 years of therapy helped me in anyway about my mental problems either. Maybe I picked the wrong therapist, but we ended up talking in circles and I did not see any progress. I eventually stopped with that and with the medicines.
 
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Aug 23, 2022
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I know I've already commented on this thread but it all hits SO close to home, the medical gaslighting, misdiagnosis, etc. Plus I basically get told that it's my own fault because I chose to do the treatments they recommended that ruined me.

I have to do therapy in order to get disability from work and yesterday he told me that I'll start feeling better if I stop thinking about the life I lost and focus on the things I can do like BLINKING MY EYES!! Are you f*%#in kidding me?!!
 
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Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
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I know I've already commented on this thread but it all hits SO close to home, the medical gaslighting, misdiagnosis, etc. Plus I basically get told that it's my own fault because I chose to do the treatments they recommended that ruined me.

I have to do therapy in order to get disability from work and yesterday he told me that I'll start feeling better if I stop thinking about the life I lost and focus on the things I can do like BLINKING MY EYES!! Are you f*%#in kidding me?!!
It's OK. We will get out of all of this. We have a powerful tool they cannot take away from us, which is CBT. No amount of their bullshit will stop us from getting our relief. I'm in the process of finishing last things I need to do. Almost done with the letters, gonna send 30 of them, to all important medical institutions around the world. So that they start finally early diagnosing my disease. Also to the doctors who misdiagnosed me, to remind them I'm dead because of them.
 
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Catloaf

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Aug 14, 2021
504
Couldn't agree more.

Talked to an alternative psychology practitioner once just for my own amusement. She told me how in her youth she used to care for an ex bf of hers who had been paralysed after an accident. How he wanted to give up but she made him change his pessimistic worldview.

Somehow this story was supposed to inspire me to persist despite my condition. The conversation just left me bitter and furious. I was trying really hard not to cuss her out.
 
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hamvil

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Aug 29, 2022
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I guess we get standard answers and canned response because those probably work in most cases. Therapy is a strange profession, not sure how much scientific it is. I guess there are people that just do not react to those signals. Like a person that does not react to paracetamol. I guess that clinical professional may test different clinical method on us until something works. I will discover this soon because the current therapy (citalopram and risperidone) are not working.
 
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Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
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Couldn't agree more.

Talked to an alternative psychology practitioner once just for my own amusement. She told me how in her youth she used to care for an ex bf of hers who had been paralysed after an accident. How he wanted to give up but she made him change his pessimistic worldview.

Somehow this story was supposed to inspire me to persist despite my condition. The conversation just left me bitter and furious. I was trying really hard not to cuss her out.

I bet she was doing it just for herself. My girlfriend is also trying to change my world view, obviously. I partially understand that, but if any of the people I know ended up in the same situation, I would encourage them to off themselves. Regardless of how I would feel about it.
 
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Catloaf

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Aug 14, 2021
504
I bet she was doing it just for herself.
I don't think so. They're just convinced that desire to live is immutable and cannot be undermined no matter what shit life throws at you. And all you need is a little psychological help to see the light again while you are writhing in pain on the floor.
 
Cryptonite

Cryptonite

In the state of shock of what happened
Apr 30, 2022
723
I don't think so. They're just convinced that desire to live is immutable and cannot be undermined no matter what shit life throws at you. And all you need is a little psychological help to see the light again while you are writhing in pain on the floor.
Haha, exactly. They are so naive.
 
KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
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This hits really close to home for me, having been through the futile wringer of "help" for many years. No matter how much you're suffering, the world views any resistance to this pain as a deficit of willpower, and sells psychotherapy as the sole solution.

You're right on the nose with this thread, therapy is an absolute ripoff in the vast majority of cases, but this is most apparent when you have a physical health problem which doctors can't solve or don't want to manage.

Having health problems which impair you neurologically are almost a surefire guarantee that you will be sent to talk therapy, despite the fact that it is completely useless for these types of issues and will do nothing but drain your wallet, waste your time, and probably make you feel even worse because the approaches they use are far more akin to theism and religion as opposed to any sort of science.

Therapy conditions you to believe that your responses to objectively terrible life events, like health issues, can be boiled down to poor emotional regulation/a bad mindset. I would like to see these therapists deal with chronic fatigue, pain, cognitive issues, brainfog, etc and then see if they continue to preach acceptance and emotional regulation. It is even more of a piss take when you realize many modalities of therapy are ripped directly from spirituality, hell, DBT was conceived from some batty zen psychologist reciting prayers in her roman catholic church. Nothing more than thoughts and prayers, which certainly cannot cure physical diseases.

Psychotherapy in its modern incarnation is a byproduct of an increasingly atomised and individualised society. It pushes the notion that you have control over your life and it's up to you to simply change your mindset and be happy. However, if you dig deeper and study the materials that therapists use (CBT and DBT workbooks are a good example of this) it becomes crystalline that therapy is meant for people who have minor problems.

It is not meant for people with health issues and disabilities, or those with no community, family, or friends. Yet, we are told to go to therapy for whatever reason because the world has no idea what to do with us and assumes you need to "get help" if you're fed up with shitty life circumstances outside of your control.

Child therapists were complicit in enabling my family to neglect me, encouraged me to get drugged up by psychiatrists as a child even when I was clearly developing lethargy and impotence (which is scary when you're a newly minted teenage girl going through puberty) from the polypharmacy cocktails. They just kept piling on the drugs and the platitudes when I was a traumatized, autistic child who kept getting misdiagnosed with a laundry list of irrelevant conditions like ADHD or anxiety, or depression. I had severe vitamin deficiencies which probably caused my neuropathy and for years I could not even get a blood test, because every symptom I had was made out to be all in my head.

Speaking of that, PTSD is labeled as a mental disorder (which is a term I loathe because it implies that your suffering is solely psychological and you can control it by modifying thoughts) and I was told time and time again that my only option is to go to therapy, and that if therapy isn't working, it is my fault for not trying hard enough. Checks out.

Society acts like therapy is some infallible institution which is incapable of causing harm. I think it's very hard for people to get it through their heads that therapy doesn't do a damn thing for my degenerating spine, my fatigue, my pain, and the massive neglect and mistreatment doled out by doctors and other authority figures throughout my life. Just smile and be positive though, live love and laugh! Do some breathing exercises and mindfulness meditation and you can surely ignore the world going to shit around you. Now, that'll be 200$ for my professional therapeutic advice please!
 
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hamvil

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This hits really close to home for me, having been through the futile wringer of "help" for many years. No matter how much you're suffering, the world views any resistance to this pain as a deficit of willpower, and sells psychotherapy as the sole solution.

You're right on the nose with this thread, therapy is an absolute ripoff in the vast majority of cases, but this is most apparent when you have a physical health problem which doctors can't solve or don't want to manage.

Having health problems which impair you neurologically are almost a surefire guarantee that you will be sent to talk therapy, despite the fact that it is completely useless for these types of issues and will do nothing but drain your wallet, waste your time, and probably make you feel even worse because the approaches they use are far more akin to theism and religion as opposed to any sort of science.

Therapy conditions you to believe that your responses to objectively terrible life events, like health issues, can be boiled down to poor emotional regulation/a bad mindset. I would like to see these therapists deal with chronic fatigue, pain, cognitive issues, brainfog, etc and then see if they continue to preach acceptance and emotional regulation. It is even more of a piss take when you realize many modalities of therapy are ripped directly from spirituality, hell, DBT was conceived from some batty zen psychologist reciting prayers in her roman catholic church. Nothing more than thoughts and prayers, which certainly cannot cure physical diseases.

Psychotherapy in its modern incarnation is a byproduct of an increasingly atomised and individualised society. It pushes the notion that you have control over your life and it's up to you to simply change your mindset and be happy. However, if you dig deeper and study the materials that therapists use (CBT and DBT workbooks are a good example of this) it becomes crystalline that therapy is meant for people who have minor problems.

It is not meant for people with health issues and disabilities, or those with no community, family, or friends. Yet, we are told to go to therapy for whatever reason because the world has no idea what to do with us and assumes you need to "get help" if you're fed up with shitty life circumstances outside of your control.

Child therapists were complicit in enabling my family to neglect me, encouraged me to get drugged up by psychiatrists as a child even when I was clearly developing lethargy and impotence (which is scary when you're a newly minted teenage girl going through puberty) from the polypharmacy cocktails. They just kept piling on the drugs and the platitudes when I was a traumatized, autistic child who kept getting misdiagnosed with a laundry list of irrelevant conditions like ADHD or anxiety, or depression. I had severe vitamin deficiencies which probably caused my neuropathy and for years I could not even get a blood test, because every symptom I had was made out to be all in my head.

Speaking of that, PTSD is labeled as a mental disorder (which is a term I loathe because it implies that your suffering is solely psychological and you can control it by modifying thoughts) and I was told time and time again that my only option is to go to therapy, and that if therapy isn't working, it is my fault for not trying hard enough. Checks out.

Society acts like therapy is some infallible institution which is incapable of causing harm. I think it's very hard for people to get it through their heads that therapy doesn't do a damn thing for my degenerating spine, my fatigue, my pain, and the massive neglect and mistreatment doled out by doctors and other authority figures throughout my life. Just smile and be positive though, live love and laugh! Do some breathing exercises and mindfulness meditation and you can surely ignore the world going to shit around you. Now, that'll be 200$ for my professional therapeutic advice please!
Thanks for the post, you did manage to put into words so many thoughts I had in my head. I think therapy is the place we are sent because people do not know how to handle us. My father did this, my wife and a former friend. The psy doctor also told me to do therapy on top of the medicine possibly for teh same reason.

I find it funny that then therapist avoid the topic of suicide or at least I do not find it easy to talk about it.
 
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lex

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I also have chronic pain. And I did go to therapy. It actually made things worse for me
 
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Cryptonite

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I also have chronic pain. And I did go to therapy. It actually made things worse for me
I'm not surprised... we need to go soon and be finally relieved.
 
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chronicphysicalpain

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Jun 28, 2021
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Same here as you may have guessed.

It's surprising how fast anybody hearing your real bad chronic pain issues jumps inmediatly to the advice of seeking a therapist. I believe it just stems from the fact happier people won't admit -usually not even to themselves- that the only rational advice they could give you is "if you already checked with endless doctors and there's no pain therapy left to try, suicide yourself whenever you deem it fit"...

Funnily I went to one forced by disgusting doctors. It was a psychotherapist who had a lot of experience with real bad chronic pain cases like ours, and the first day she openly told me it would be normal for anybody in our circunstances to just say goodbye, and that she could do very little and that I shoulded not seek therapy if I had already assumed my issues...
 
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YES !
 
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Ta555

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This hits really close to home for me, having been through the futile wringer of "help" for many years. No matter how much you're suffering, the world views any resistance to this pain as a deficit of willpower, and sells psychotherapy as the sole solution.

You're right on the nose with this thread, therapy is an absolute ripoff in the vast majority of cases, but this is most apparent when you have a physical health problem which doctors can't solve or don't want to manage.

Having health problems which impair you neurologically are almost a surefire guarantee that you will be sent to talk therapy, despite the fact that it is completely useless for these types of issues and will do nothing but drain your wallet, waste your time, and probably make you feel even worse because the approaches they use are far more akin to theism and religion as opposed to any sort of science.

Therapy conditions you to believe that your responses to objectively terrible life events, like health issues, can be boiled down to poor emotional regulation/a bad mindset. I would like to see these therapists deal with chronic fatigue, pain, cognitive issues, brainfog, etc and then see if they continue to preach acceptance and emotional regulation. It is even more of a piss take when you realize many modalities of therapy are ripped directly from spirituality, hell, DBT was conceived from some batty zen psychologist reciting prayers in her roman catholic church. Nothing more than thoughts and prayers, which certainly cannot cure physical diseases.

Psychotherapy in its modern incarnation is a byproduct of an increasingly atomised and individualised society. It pushes the notion that you have control over your life and it's up to you to simply change your mindset and be happy. However, if you dig deeper and study the materials that therapists use (CBT and DBT workbooks are a good example of this) it becomes crystalline that therapy is meant for people who have minor problems.

It is not meant for people with health issues and disabilities, or those with no community, family, or friends. Yet, we are told to go to therapy for whatever reason because the world has no idea what to do with us and assumes you need to "get help" if you're fed up with shitty life circumstances outside of your control.

Child therapists were complicit in enabling my family to neglect me, encouraged me to get drugged up by psychiatrists as a child even when I was clearly developing lethargy and impotence (which is scary when you're a newly minted teenage girl going through puberty) from the polypharmacy cocktails. They just kept piling on the drugs and the platitudes when I was a traumatized, autistic child who kept getting misdiagnosed with a laundry list of irrelevant conditions like ADHD or anxiety, or depression. I had severe vitamin deficiencies which probably caused my neuropathy and for years I could not even get a blood test, because every symptom I had was made out to be all in my head.

Speaking of that, PTSD is labeled as a mental disorder (which is a term I loathe because it implies that your suffering is solely psychological and you can control it by modifying thoughts) and I was told time and time again that my only option is to go to therapy, and that if therapy isn't working, it is my fault for not trying hard enough. Checks out.

Society acts like therapy is some infallible institution which is incapable of causing harm. I think it's very hard for people to get it through their heads that therapy doesn't do a damn thing for my degenerating spine, my fatigue, my pain, and the massive neglect and mistreatment doled out by doctors and other authority figures throughout my life. Just smile and be positive though, live love and laugh! Do some breathing exercises and mindfulness meditation and you can surely ignore the world going to shit around you. Now, that'll be 200$ for my professional therapeutic advice please!
You put everything I feel about therapy into much better words than I ever could. Whenever you go any online forum like Quora or Reddit or anywhere really and express a problem, any problem, the answers are always...go to therapy!
Therapy is a load of shit and I've seen studies that show that talking to a friend or trusted person has just as much or more positive effect on a person than seeing a professional 'therapist'.
 
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