Nitrogen Exit

[Blissful Serenity]

Hi all to those reading. I am to set my departure for next week and I want to know if theres any information I need to know about this plan for it to work (I have ordered already):
Full face diver mask (see image attached of what it will look like) connected to a single stage Nitrogen regulator (via hose) which is then connected to a 10L (water volume) tank of 99.9% Nitrogen.

These are the items used: 1. Diver mask 2. Gas hose 3. 10L Nitrogen Tank 4. Single stage nitrogen regulator.

Is there anything I need to know to ensure it works?
Thank you kindly,

 

[aminend]

I think that better u fasten urself and urhand to some where So that subconsciously u cant stop process

 

[DeadButDreaming]

We're those items hard to obtain? This method appeals to me also. But I worry about the difficulty of finding a hose that will fit both the nozzles of the mask and cylinder.

 

[Blissful Serenity]

We're those items hard to obtain? This method appeals to me also. But I worry about the difficulty of finding a hose that will fit both the nozzles of the mask and cylinder.

Hey, the items were just ordered over the internet. The difficulty in obtaining them varies on where you are. In uk for instance it seemed easy.
I too worry about the hose not fitting however I do know the regulator output is smaller than the input to the tank. So aslong as the hose fits the mask and regulator I hope that should solve that problem.

 

[grungeCat]

It sounds like a rather painful way to perish. As far as I know, breathing nitrogen can be compared to holding your breath until you die. It takes around 3-4 minutes to lose consciousness if your breathing is stopped. Human perception of time is very relative so the higher pain is, the slower time seems to pass by.
edit: Oh, sorry. I searched through web and nitrogen is different than I thought it is. Sorry for misinformation

 

[thereandgone]

This is my preferred DIY method, but I was working on a modified snorkel mask like was shown in older threads. I bought the MDB US version as my regulator. Can you post a photo of what the regulator hooked up to the hose looks like? The snorkel mask modification involves a bit of work and I still haven't been able to find the correct-sized heat shrink yet.

I'll pop back in when it gets closer to your date to say farewell.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

It sounds like a rather painful way to perish. As far as I know, breathing nitrogen can be compared to holding your breath until you die. It takes around 3-4 minutes to lose consciousness if your breathing is stopped. Human perception of time is very relative so the higher pain is, the slower time seems to pass by.
edit: Oh, sorry. I searched through web and nitrogen is different than I thought it is. Sorry for misinformation

You obviously have no idea about inert gases. The tricky bit is making sure pure nitrogen is inhaled otherwise the suffocation feeling and struggle to breathe is the result.
One big mistake a lot of people do with mask or exit bag is leaving oxygen in them and mixing up the inert gas with oxygen which is a recipe for disaster however if pure nitrogen/argon/helium is inhaled it only takes about 20-30 seconds of painless unconsciousness. I tried it with argon and the result was exactly as described.
There is fair level of technicality involved in this method not suitable for everyone.

Hi all to those reading. I am to set my departure for next week and I want to know if theres any information I need to know about this plan for it to work (I have ordered already):
Full face diver mask (see image attached of what it will look like) connected to a single stage Nitrogen regulator (via hose) which is then connected to a 10L (water volume) tank of 99.9% Nitrogen.

These are the items used: 1. Diver mask 2. Gas hose 3. 10L Nitrogen Tank 4. Single stage nitrogen regulator.

Is there anything I need to know to ensure it works?
Thank you kindly, View attachment 38987

Your biggest problem would be air flowing into the mask if it it's not perfectly sealed the result would be the suffocation feeling and panic. Human body is used to inhale inert gases as nitrogen forms around 70% of the air we breath. If pure nitrogen is breathed unconsciousness is guaranteed after 20-30 seconds more or less.
If air finds its way into the mask there is a possibility they find you with brain damage and you end up living like a veg for the rest of your life so it's a serious matter.
I don't know how you are going to connect the hose to the tank but these tanks are highly pressurised require the right regulator there is no room for creativity here.
Saying that I hope you think really hard about what you are going to do.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

If you can do nitrogen right it sounds like the best way of all.

 

[Aap]

I'd just add to diver anon to make sure everything functions correctly. You do not want to die from lung trauma and not nitrogen. That said, assuming the regulator functions correctly, petroleum jelly generously applied can assist with an ill fitting mask, provided there is no facial hair.

 

[Meditation guide]

That's what I don't understand about exit bags, you pump in gas into them, more than you need to breath, and continue to pump in more and more so at some point that bag blows a hole or explodes?

 

[Deleted-User-0]

That's what I don't understand about exit bags, you pump in gas into them, more than you need to breath, and continue to pump in more and more so at some point that bag blows a hole or explodes?

Of course not the flow rate into the bag should be around 15lpm to push out co2 from the tiny gaps around the neck there is no way the bag would explode as it's snug around the neck leaving tiny gaps to push out CO2. A bag would only explode if it's perfectly sealed around the neck however it should snug which is achieved normally by elastic bands or headbands

 

[Blissful Serenity]

This is my preferred DIY method, but I was working on a modified snorkel mask like was shown in older threads. I bought the MDB US version as my regulator. Can you post a photo of what the regulator hooked up to the hose looks like? The snorkel mask modification involves a bit of work and I still haven't been able to find the correct-sized heat shrink yet.

I'll pop back in when it gets closer to your date to say farewell.

Of course! I will post an image of it set up once it arrives

You obviously have no idea about inert gases. The tricky bit is making sure pure nitrogen is inhaled otherwise the suffocation feeling and struggle to breathe is the result.
One big mistake a lot of people do with mask or exit bag is leaving oxygen in them and mixing up the inert gas with oxygen which is a recipe for disaster however if pure nitrogen/argon/helium is inhaled it only takes about 20-30 seconds of painless unconsciousness. I tried it with argon and the result was exactly as described.
There is fair level of technicality involved in this method not suitable for everyone.



Your biggest problem would be air flowing into the mask if it it's not perfectly sealed the result would be the suffocation feeling and panic. Human body is used to inhale inert gases as nitrogen forms around 70% of the air we breath. If pure nitrogen is breathed unconsciousness is guaranteed after 20-30 seconds more or less.
If air finds its way into the mask there is a possibility they find you with brain damage and you end up living like a veg for the rest of your life so it's a serious matter.
I don't know how you are going to connect the hose to the tank but these tanks are highly pressurised require the right regulator there is no room for creativity here.
Saying that I hope you think really hard about what you are going to do.

You obviously have no idea about inert gases. The tricky bit is making sure pure nitrogen is inhaled otherwise the suffocation feeling and struggle to breathe is the result.
One big mistake a lot of people do with mask or exit bag is leaving oxygen in them and mixing up the inert gas with oxygen which is a recipe for disaster however if pure nitrogen/argon/helium is inhaled it only takes about 20-30 seconds of painless unconsciousness. I tried it with argon and the result was exactly as described.
There is fair level of technicality involved in this method not suitable for everyone.



Your biggest problem would be air flowing into the mask if it it's not perfectly sealed the result would be the suffocation feeling and panic. Human body is used to inhale inert gases as nitrogen forms around 70% of the air we breath. If pure nitrogen is breathed unconsciousness is guaranteed after 20-30 seconds more or less.
If air finds its way into the mask there is a possibility they find you with brain damage and you end up living like a veg for the rest of your life so it's a serious matter.
I don't know how you are going to connect the hose to the tank but these tanks are highly pressurised require the right regulator there is no room for creativity here.
Saying that I hope you think really hard about what you are going to do.

Thank you for your insight it matters a lot. The purity of the Nitrogen I ordered is quoted as 99.9% and is 'Oxygen Free' Nitrogen so I hope that is the case.

Connecting the mask the the regulator (which is a Nitrogen Single Stage regulator 2 gauge, I will post a picture of it once its here) is most likely going to require another gas hose/connector that will fit right. I know the regulator will fit 3/8 bsp rh outlet and 5/8 bsp rh inlet. But the mask size may be different I have yet to see what the size is. I will find out soon.

The same goes for the air tightness, I will be closely inspecting to ensure that there is no way of allowing air to get inside. I'll definitely be keeping that it mind. All I know for now is that its water tight but not the same as air tight.
I will be doing a bubble test around the gas connections to test air tightness the mask might require different thinking.

If you can do nitrogen right it sounds like the best way of all.

I would've liked nembutal but nitrogen is a lot easier to obtain. But it certainly seems to have the potential of being the best since unconsciousness is very quick when done right

 

[Meditation guide]

nitrogen is a lot easier to obtain.

Did you need an excuse for why you are buying it?
So the nitrogen is flowing into the mask. There is air already in the mask, plus you are exhaling co2. Where does the air already in the mask and the co2 you are exhaling go? I know I already asked this about an exit bag, but I can't picture how this works in this regard. I'm not asking casually, it sounds very good, a peaceful way to ctb.

I know if I were to inhale co2 I would panic and remove the mask. This is based on an experiment I tried with a plastic bag over my head.

 

[Aap]

It leaves the regulator. Just imagine scuba diving - the bubbles that come out are expired air.

 

[Meditation guide]

It leaves the regulator. Just imagine scuba diving - the bubbles that come out are expired air.

I just read that people with respiratory disease shouldn't try the nitrogen method, so this is yet another way out that's not available to me. I feel trapped here.

 

[Aap]

Respiratory conditions aren't an absolute contradiction to inert gases, though advanced cases of COPD may make inert gases somewhat less peaceful.

 

[Meditation guide]

inert gases somewhat less peaceful.

That's me copd. And the only way I can imagine ctb is with carbon monoxide.

 

[Aap]

I don't know that co would be more peaceful, but it is your decision to make.

 

[Meditation guide]

I don't know that co would be more peaceful, but it is your decision to make.

I know I'll be choking and gagging and it's going to be awful so I don't really know what to do. I can't think of any other way. No tall buildings or bridges, no gun, vomit way to easily for SN.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Did you need an excuse for why you are buying it?
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You hardly need an excuse. Nitrogen is used for many things, like makng beer, filling tires...look up uses of nitrogen and pick one in case they casually ask you. The one time i inquired about it they asked me nothing.

I just read that people with respiratory disease shouldn't try the nitrogen method, so this is yet another way out that's not available to me. I feel trapped here.

I can't see why not. People with respratory conditions need oxygen just the same. I think this is the most painless way of all IF you can do it right. I read about how they put pigs in a nitrogen chamber and they were casually munching away on food and then just toppled over dead with no sign of any distress.

 

[Meditation guide]

I read about how they put pigs in a nitrogen chamber and they were casually munching away on food and then just toppled over dead with no sign of any distress.

I saw the German video of that. It was a huge pig in a clear chamber and it was standing up and then had a seizure for half a second and died. They did some kind of a test on it's blood to measure alarm or pain chemicals and found none.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Of course! I will post an image of it set up once it arrives


Thank you for your insight it matters a lot. The purity of the Nitrogen I ordered is quoted as 99.9% and is 'Oxygen Free' Nitrogen so I hope that is the case.

Connecting the mask the the regulator (which is a Nitrogen Single Stage regulator 2 gauge, I will post a picture of it once its here) is most likely going to require another gas hose/connector that will fit right. I know the regulator will fit 3/8 bsp rh outlet and 5/8 bsp rh inlet. But the mask size may be different I have yet to see what the size is. I will find out soon.

The same goes for the air tightness, I will be closely inspecting to ensure that there is no way of allowing air to get inside. I'll definitely be keeping that it mind. All I know for now is that its water tight but not the same as air tight.
I will be doing a bubble test around the gas connections to test air tightness the mask might require different thinking.

I would've liked nembutal but nitrogen is a lot easier to obtain. But it certainly seems to have the potential of being the best since unconsciousness is very quick when done right

You might find this link useful there is pdf attached with all tech details

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-alternative-to-plastic-bag.16691/post-583987

Also do you mind sharing the mask's details and where could be purchased.

 

[Greenberg]

There are some details of masks in my post:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-appeal-of-the-exit-bag.43661/#post-793626

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I've been considering using a mask too, mostly to avoid the risk of pulling off the bag.
With the masks the asphyxiation should be like with the bag. The air that is exhaled, rich of CO2, will mix with the nitrogen. This mix will leave the bag through the one-way valve. Having a one-way valve makes sure that oxygen cannot enter the mask, while with the bag I think that a minor quantity of oxygen can enter, if the elastic band is not tight enough (hard to say what "tight enough" means).
The problem with the mask is that when you wear it, it will be full of oxygen. You cannot deplete it. So it might take longer to reach a low concentration of oxygen and CO2. Instead with the bag, you can squeeze all the air out of it before pulling it over your head.
I've bought a cheap full-face snorkel mask to check if it's a reliable approach.
I had some doubts about it.. The seal around the face is not perfect. I think that it works better under water, due to pressure of the water on the mask.
I had also some doubts about the 1-way valves, that are cheaply done with a piece of silicon that bends when air blows on it. Also this solution works in water, but maybe less well outside water.

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

I've been considering using a mask too, mostly to avoid the risk of pulling off the bag.
...
Having a one-way valve makes sure that oxygen cannot enter the mask, while with the bag I think that a minor quantity of oxygen can enter, if the elastic band is not tight enough (hard to say what "tight enough" means).
...

I see many people say they are worried about removing the bag while they are unconscious, so they investigate various types of masks, even though there isn't any documentation of them working, and some types such as medical oxygen masks have been reported to be prone to failure. IMO if I was worried about removing a bag unconsciously, I would also worry about removing a mask.

As long as the elastic in the bag has enough tension to gather the bag opening around the neck with no gaps, the 15 lpm flow of gas will force the mixed breath and gas to exit between the bag opening and the neck, and this exiting gas flow will prevent any outside air from entering.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

I saw the German video of that. It was a huge pig in a clear chamber and it was standing up and then had a seizure for half a second and died. They did some kind of a test on it's blood to measure alarm or pain chemicals and found none.

Did the pig appear to be in distress for that brief period of time, or was it just some involuntary body shaking? I thought it was an absolutely serene way to go.

 

[Aap]

I believe it was helium, and the pig promptly woke up when it's head left the chamber. If you walked into a room of 100% nitrogen, you would likely only notice it on the way down, if even then. Very fast and peaceful incapacitation.

 

[Meditation guide]

Did the pig appear to be in distress

It fell down apparently not conscious, shook violently in a seizure for a split second and was then dead. No it wasn't in distress.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I've been considering using a mask too, mostly to avoid the risk of pulling off the bag.
With the masks the asphyxiation should be like with the bag. The air that is exhaled, rich of CO2, will mix with the nitrogen. This mix will leave the bag through the one-way valve. Having a one-way valve makes sure that oxygen cannot enter the mask, while with the bag I think that a minor quantity of oxygen can enter, if the elastic band is not tight enough (hard to say what "tight enough" means).
The problem with the mask is that when you wear it, it will be full of oxygen. You cannot deplete it. So it might take longer to reach a low concentration of oxygen and CO2. Instead with the bag, you can squeeze all the air out of it before pulling it over your head.
I've bought a cheap full-face snorkel mask to check if it's a reliable approach.
I had some doubts about it.. The seal around the face is not perfect. I think that it works better under water, due to pressure of the water on the mask.
I had also some doubts about the 1-way valves, that are cheaply done with a piece of silicon that bends when air blows on it. Also this solution works in water, but maybe less well outside water.

I'm a deep diver in real life. As you mentioned mask's performance is completely different under water pressure.
To begin with I bought a mask to try the method and I cane across multiple issues biggest one being poor sealing and air flowing in even when my beard was fully shaved. I immediately knew this is very risky. Bag is simple, reliable and has been used for decades if one puts enough research into it to minimise the risks.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I see many people say they are worried about removing the bag while they are unconscious, so they investigate various types of masks, even though there isn't any documentation of them working, and some types such as medical oxygen masks have been reported to be prone to failure. IMO if I was worried about removing a bag unconsciously, I would also worry about removing a mask.

As long as the elastic in the bag has enough tension to gather the bag opening around the neck with no gaps, the 15 lpm flow of gas will force the mixed breath and gas to exit between the bag opening and the neck, and this exiting gas flow will prevent any outside air from entering.

I also thought that I might be complicating things. The full face mask has the advantage that it can hardly be dislocated on the face and removed, since it is held tightly around the head. It needs a certain level of consciousness to remove it. It does not get sucked in the mouth while breathing, like a bag.
The only issue is that it has more seals around the face and so more points where air can leak inside. If it was not too uncomfortable, using a full-face mask in a bath tub full of water would be the most reliable method.

I'm a deep diver in real life. As you mentioned mask's performance is completely different under water pressure.
To begin with I bought a mask to try the method and I cane across multiple issues biggest one being poor sealing and air flowing in even when my beard was fully shaved. I immediately knew this is very risky. Bag is simple, reliable and has been used for decades if one puts enough research into it to minimise the risks.

Good that we have the same opinion. I was confident that a deep-diver would know this better.
Which kind of mask did you try? I suppose that expensive deep-diving full-face masks do not have such problems and the seals around the face are much better. They cannot allow any risk of water slipping inside the mask