New article on SaSu

[Leyna]

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[dumbnhappy]

"Though some members talk of their reluctance to leave loved ones behind, there is an acute lack of appreciation for the pain their premature death could cause to others."

Man these people are so stuck up their own ass. Why would someone who is suffering and wanting to die live solely for their "loved ones" who are often times linked to their despair anyway? I personally hope my parents feel like shit once I ctb. And I could care less about people that really dgaf about me

 

[Wolf Girl]

Holy shit, this the dumbest one yet LMAO. They say the site "rewards" us with titles, as if anyone notices or gives a shit about being a student or a wizard, etc.

"Deciding to die can be a choice, yes, but what choice is any if it obliterates your chances to ever make another choice again?"

HWAT DOES THIS MEAN??? It sounds like they just want to sound wise.

 

[cecaris]

Holy shit, this the dumbest one yet LMAO. They say the site "rewards" us with titles, as if anyone notices or gives a shit about being a student or a wizard, etc.

The site surely rewards us with titles since you can literally choose your title to whatever you want and activity doesn't give you special ones

 

[monetpompo]

The forum promotes a "recovery resources" list, but none include traditional mental health services or suicide helplines, more often comprising disparate titbits of advice cobbled together by pro-suicide site members.

Tom had not shared his suicidal thoughts with those closest to him, who doubtless would have done whatever they could to try to keep him alive and alerted local healthcare services that could have potentially helped him.

Normally, when I encounter a hateful internet troll, I tap on their profile and begin to get a gauge of who they are and work out, very quickly, what's led them to spread such harm online. But that wouldn't work on this forum; the anonymity of the site means I couldn't even use my research skills to alert local services to each member's misery.

Sounds like the writer wants me to go to a psych ward. What does she mean by "alert local services to each member's misery"? Does she want to personally call the police or a local hospital about how I'm depressed and want to die? Would that bring her some sort of relief, when she thinks I'm scum for being on here in the first place? The second statement about the people closest to Tom who "would have done whatever they could to try to keep him alive and alerted local healthcare services" is just something you only think when you haven't been in the same place as him. Suicidal thoughts, self loathing, and depression burden other people because hearing about it bums them out. Most people aren't equipped to handle someone else's depression. Even if people say they'll be there for you, it's not like they actually can be in the way the writer's implying. Loneliness is one of the biggest causes of suicide. You can still feel isolated with supportive friends, family or a partner, because there's an inherent social disconnect. This is a very specific mindset to be in that's often stigmatized, so talking about it can further isolate you instead of make it better.

It's so tiring to always have people assume that you'll get unconditional support from other people when you talk about your suicidal thoughts. My parents would rather have me die than talk about my depression.

 

[Pluto]

 

[monetpompo]

amazing work from famed journalist pluto

 

[avalokitesvara]

I find it so puzzling that the journalist and the friend of the deceased former member take away that the members here are somehow revelling in suffering and aiming to drive people to suicide.

There are actual sick sadistic groups out there like 765 doing that. Even your average instagram or twitter user is way more likely to encounter hateful suicide bait.

Noone here is baiting anyone. The article acts like the community here is invading "normal" social media and goading non-suicidal people into killing themselves.

Nobody wants to acknowledge that this site exists because it serves a purpose. There are people in this world who want to die, even if well adjusted people like the author can't fathom why. Just because YOU don't understand the nature of someone's suffering doesn't mean it isn't real. It makes me extremely angry how casually this author can dismiss members' suffering just because it doesn't make sense to her.

Nobody wants to take a long cold objective look at the fact that their beloved friend/sibling/child/aunt/whoever wanted to die. They didn't stroll into this site one day feeling contented and happy and slowly get coerced into killing themselves. They already wanted to and would have found a way to kill themselves even without this site.

The site is a very convenient scapegoat. If you blame it, you don't have to pay attention to the fact that even if suicidal people do "the right thing" and tell someone they know and try to access help, the so-called help can range from absolutely pisspoor to totally non-existent.

It's interesting to me, the testimony from those who've lost someone to suicide. They frequently describe the deceased as sensitive, kind, empathetic, "a joy to be around", caring, intelligent, etc etc. Is noone putting the dots together that being a person like that in this bestial capitalist hellworld is often simply not compatible with staying alive?

I am proud to use this site. I am proud to read the testimony of those who suffer so much in this life. I am proud to not act like it's beyond the pale of humanity to express pain and suffering and to find a community with others who suffer. I am proud to say a couple of words in a goodbye thread, the least I can do so someone feels like at least there is someone there with them as they attempt. I don't feel the need to track them down and contact local authorities (????). If someone is determined to die, to overcome SI and all the guilt and shame and actually do it, who the fuck am I to get in the way?

Yes, it is good to at least exhaust your options for help before you take the final step. But many many many people are living on way beyond the exhaustion of their last hope for change or help. Especially because they don't want to harm their close ones. I fucking despise the characterisation of people who commit suicide as being uncaring selfish assholes who dismiss their loved ones' suffering. It's just one more fucking spit in the face from a world that doesn't understand or care. Ugh I hate this article so much.

 

[The Morningstar]

I like the way this weak-minded idiot skirts around the existential crisis that contemplating the meaning of life does—and should—give anyone.

So glad that not thinking about it after a while made you feel better, journo. That's how it fucking works. Dumbass. Welcome to absurdism.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

What a dumb article,

When I see these fools making a "insert their Country" + Deaths statement I immediately want to click off of any article or discussion. Average Joe sees his country linked to "crime" , OMG MY COUNTRY? MY COUNTRYMEN ARE DYING ON THE SUICIDE FORUM? WE MUST CLOSE THE SUICIDE FORUM. Yes I know it's a British article but still nationalistic based articles and news shouldn't exist when covering something that is experienced by the whole globe.

Such knee jerk shittery that could only be the result of being here for a few days and understanding ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and NO ONE. What do you take away, first fucking paragraph? 50 British people died by suicide , imagine if no British people died from suicide, would the person have cared to visit here or make an article? Obviously not, nationalism is one heck of a drug for the fact that we are mostly (the same) hairless apes on a floating rock in space. Countries are dumb.

This person doesn't even know what these people went through to get to the act of suicide. I want to say something about this person, it might sound dehumanizing as hell but they literally think in binaries, my country, my tribe and my people have apparently "suffered" at the hands of this forum given what society has told me (suicide bad); SO NOW because of that I should be going ham towards the forum and at the suicidal people left who are not part of my country.

Because you lack critical thinking and are easily manipulated into traditions/nationalism/stupid outdated ideas/the sanctity of human life/etc. Some people experience pain, don't belittle them, lift them up, share their pain, if you can't do that, fuck off; just fuck off as far as possible, if your idea of help is to demonize suicidal people or think that you should only """""save""""" "your own" , you should fuck off as far as possible from suicidal people, go to a church, these people are right up your alley, they love each other and hate everyone else who is not them.


Mods can delete this if it's too harsh or paints the forum in a bad light, I wanted to get this off my chest.

 

[Eriktf]

there was more to say about it but i dont care to use more energy on this

In these types of threads, some members try to intervene, offering up reasons and ways for the initial poster to stay alive. However, these are lay bystanders, not trained in trying to talk someone down, with no idea of where this unwell person lives or how to alert local emergency services to the unfolding disaster. The forum promotes a "recovery resources" list, but none include traditional mental health services or suicide helplines, more often comprising disparate titbits of advice cobbled together by pro-suicide site members.

they should have looked here:

Recovery and Crisis Resource Compilation

The following are resources for you to reach out for help and support. We encourage you to seek recovery and be happy. Different resources work for different people, so we encourage you try several until you find what you need. Your happiness comes first. The list has been created from...

sanctioned-suicide.net

saying we dont show suicde hotlines are a lie, i used apx 3 secunds to find this:

Tom had not shared his suicidal thoughts with those closest to him, who doubtless would have done whatever they could to try to keep him alive and alerted local healthcare services that could have potentially helped him. Instead, he, like so many other people might, turned online for anonymous support.

you cant blame us for Tom not telling ppl

Normally, when I encounter a hateful internet troll, I tap on their profile and begin to get a gauge of who they are and work out, very quickly, what's led them to spread such harm online. But that wouldn't work on this forum; the anonymity of the site means I couldn't even use my research skills to alert local services to each member's misery.

whats the problem here?? they made because of anonymity?? what about twiter and tictok or any other social media account can be anonymous, who uses there full name in any forum??

Members are stratified by the number of posts they've made. A "Student" will have under 200 posts to their name, while "Wizard" is for users who've made over 600 posts. The titles "Enlightened", "Visionary", "Illuminated", "Angelic" and "Archangel" are bestowed on those who've posted at least a thousand times. One "Archangel" has posted over 9,000 times over a period of three and a half years, amounting to around 200 posts a month or seven posts a day.

funny how they forgot to say whats right below the info about ranks....

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

Some important information within the article:

"Border Force is alerted when this substance enters the UK so that any unregistered buyer will receive a welfare check under the Government's "Right Care, Right Person" scheme; if there is "immediate risk to life or serious harm", a Government spokesperson confirmed, the police will attend."

If I were in the UK, I absolutely would not import any SN. You're all but guaranteeing the product will be seized and police will show up at your door.

 

[sweetcreep]

this journalist is a joke.

 

[willitpass]

"Though some members talk of their reluctance to leave loved ones behind, there is an acute lack of appreciation for the pain their premature death could cause to others."

Man these people are so stuck up their own ass. Why would someone who is suffering and wanting to die live solely for their "loved ones" who are often times linked to their despair anyway? I personally hope my parents feel like shit once I ctb. And I could care less about people that really dgaf about me

That is absolutely infuriating to read as someone who has made so many posts over the years about actively feeling so much fucking pain about what my death will do to my loved ones as well as actively trying to do everything in my power to minimize the pain that it will cause. How fucking disgusting of them to try and say we are "unappreciative" of the pain. I have stayed alive for years and years for my family. I have now been in consecutive inpatient treatment that has left me with nothing but worse mental health and trauma for my family. I have done research upon research to try and make the logistics of my death easier on my family so that they don't have to try and deal with those alongside the emotional pain it will bring. That is appalling to read.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

They say the site "rewards" us with titles, as if anyone notices or gives a shit about being a student or a wizard, etc.

Heyy! I liked being a wizard for a day!

I will not let that debbie downer rob me of enjoying my small arbitrary accomplishments! :D

 

[willitpass]

The forum promotes a "recovery resources" list, but none include traditional mental health services or suicide helplines, more often comprising disparate titbits of advice cobbled together by pro-suicide site members.

Almost as if many of us have extensive personal experience with traditional mental health crisis resources and realize they aren't effective. The suicide hotline has told hung up on me or told me to try painting or eating and see if it ends my intense emotional crisis before ending the chat. Or the years of being in and out inpatients that have severely traumatized and belittled and dehumanized me. Sometimes tidbits of information from someone who understands is significantly more effective at pulling someone down off the ledge than some stranger on a suicide hotline reading off a script or walking into the ER and being treated like a prisoner.

 

[blissfulness]

damn will i be a journalist if i write a bullshit article with a hyperbole packed sob story to tug on people's heartstrings, barely research the material, make assumptions. call for stopping anyone with a differing opinion, and try to back it up with shitty research linking to my own company's articles more than half the time? then pass off all liability by naming it as a "story"??

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funny how they forgot to say what's right below the info about ranks....

its totally not aesthetic at all, if i set it as moderator i can 100% ban everyone!!!
clearly she didn't even put in the effort to make an account, or at least go to her settings if she did. but that's not surprising for a "journalist". what a lazy scumbag.

 

[nool]

I hate the savior complex attitude anti-SaSu people have. No, you're not going to "save us" by getting SaSu shut down. Suicide is something that'll always exist. Get over it. Taking down one site will not magically fix every problem we have and eliminate our suicidal thoughts.

We are not pro-suicide, we just believe people should have a choice on how and when THEY leave this planet. Taking away SaSu will just cause people to resort to whatever they can which is horribly risky. And I hate the notion that we somehow push suicide on people. We are not forcing anything on anybody. It is on YOU to type in the url, hit enter, and browse. I've lurked for months and have been a member for only two weeks, but I have no once seen someone tell another to end their life. It has always been about respecting one's CHOICE.

Also, I hate how journalists and other anti-choice people treat us like animals in a zoo. We are living, breathing humans with real problems. We are not exhibits come and gawk at just because you cannot fathom why we want to catch the bus. You are not helping or saving us. Stop imposing your beliefs on us.

Suicide should not be a taboo subject. It happens. It will happen. It has always happened. One cannot control others' actions, only their own.

Don't get me started on the talking point of, "well what about your friends and family?" It's one of the most irritating points I've seen. Don't set yourself on fire to keep others warm. We will all die some day. Everyone will experience grief someday. I'm going to end it at that because I can't put the rest of my thoughts into words but I know y'all will understand what I'm trying to say.

 

[R. A.]

Why are any of y'all even gobbling up this ragbait? The original source is The Daily Telegraph, a conservative right wing outlet with a history of climate change denialism and publishing actual fake news (those are links, for anyone on light mode. Open them).

Also major outlet "reporting" exists only to make money.
Just fucking ignore this latest serving of bs.

 

[juliaiscrazyer]

Hate this "news" articles. Ill never forget the anti SN ones that ended with SN searchs skyrocking.

 

[Wolf Girl]

Almost as if many of us have extensive personal experience with traditional mental health crisis resources and realize they aren't effective. The suicide hotline has told hung up on me or told me to try painting or eating and see if it ends my intense emotional crisis before ending the chat. Or the years of being in and out inpatients that have severely traumatized and belittled and dehumanized me. Sometimes tidbits of information from someone who understands is significantly more effective at pulling someone down off the ledge than some stranger on a suicide hotline reading off a script or walking into the ER and being treated like a prisoner.

That therapy worshipping attitude makes me absolutely insane as someone who both worked in and was treated in the public mental health system. This author is one who, like many, glorifies therapy and therapists as if they're our shamans or something. And crisis responders are elevated to something like savior status and are expected to resolve anything. I *was* a crisis responder and all I could offer was hospitalization or making a plan for how to get through the night. It was the most defeating, frustrating work because there was nothing I could do. The resources to help people as troubled and suicidal as SaSu regulars just don't exist.

 

[Aiyuxiao]

this article doesn't know what it feels like to be in a position of wanting to die. Like this is the only option to get away from the suffering and pain that you're in.

I have tried to reach out and talk to some people about how I feel, but they always make me feel like a burden and a nuisance, invalidating and putting down what I'm feeling. I learned that talking about suicide with others isn't a good thing because to them you're being negative and selfish. I've been told that I'm "attention seeking", "bleed my pain onto others", "bring others down", and that I "need to go to church and pray to God". I'm also given empty platitudes IRL and often get compared to cancer ("At least you're not dying of cancer"). I have broken down crying when I'm told this because it invalidates my experience of being chronically ill. In other words, I always feel horrible after talking to someone about the reality of what I'm feeling because of my illnesses and pain.

I'm not here because I'm depressed. I'm here because I'm disabled with chronic pain 24/7 and live with chronic illnesses with no cures. Which obviously, will cause depression. Cause who tf wouldn't be depressed when they're in pain all the time. I have tried everything. I even was hospitalized in a mental hospital, tried medications, therapy, etc. But all of that doesn't do shit for the physical pain and suffering I'm in.

I need a way out. A method to get me out of this torture chamber and prison of a painful body. And this site gives you that chance to self euthanize in an affordable way.

Not only that, but here I feel like I could talk to people about suicide and not be judged or criticized. So yeah, I don't talk to anyone in real life anymore. I just go here because people understand what it's like.

Also, I hate how they say that Sasu is a death cult. It's not. I've been in 2 cults before IRL. So I know what being in a cult is like. Sasu is just a safe place to talk about suicide without judgment

 

[amerie]

Why are any of y'all even gobbling up this ragbait? The original source is The Daily Telegraph, a conservative right wing outlet with a history of climate change denialism and publishing actual fake news (those are links, for anyone on light mode. Open them).

Also major outlet "reporting" exists only to make money.
Just fucking ignore this latest serving of bs.

I don't know why people are so scared of this place being criticized (I'm prepared for "user reacted with " to blow up my inbox lol)

Like don't get me wrong people actually bothering users and tampering with the site by ddosing is scary

But there is no "safe space" on earth and if your ideology can't be criticized without everyone guarding up then it is an echo chamber.

People criticize the ethnics of 4chan, kiwifarms, lolcow, and reddit snark all the time yet they still exist. This site doesn't technically break American law so it's very likely that it'll stay up for a very, very long time.

The media will criticize and jump on any hate train it can bc it generates views and a discussion, the more you guys circulate the link and talk the more popular it'll become. 90% of people don't even know what this site is, even other suicidal people.

 

[mysideofthemountain]

Articles like that only make people who suffer from painful emotions or depression or from abuse the unsavory "them" in an us vs them. They don't see us as people, they see as problems in the worldview that need eliminating (but not like that!)

 

[R. A.]

People criticize the ethnics of 4chan, kiwifarms, lolcow, and reddit snark all the time yet they still exist. This site doesn't technically break American law so it's very likely that it'll stay up for a very, very long time.

@-Link-'s recent post on this topic hit the nail on the head:

What would you do if SaSu vanished?

This could probably just as well be posted in Sui-Discussion since I think this site honestly keeps a lot of us alive, but... Those host server downtime episodes still freak me out. Still make me think the feds have finally managed to pull the plug on this place and it's gone for good. I...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[nobodycaresaboutme]

members who've ctbed: poor victims
members who've not ctbed yet: dangerous followers of the "death cult"



Their view on this site is very childish and based on simplistic dualism. Suicide prevention activists often say suicides are multi-faceted but they forget it when it comes to SaSu. How do they think why the "poor victims" dared to search for suicide websites and what people around them including their parents were doing then?

 

[aria_of_a_dream]

" There's one dedicated to unemployment, another concerned with "looksmaxxing", where users discuss how to improve their appearances through unproven and subjective methods and, finally, the world's largest incel forum, where over 17,000 "involuntary celibates" discuss, according to research from the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH),….. . The suicide forum is the only one of the four that allows women members"

Can anyone link me these other 3 forums? I had no idea this site (or its owners) were anti-women (if this is even true)…

aren't some of the mods here women? I've personally never seen any anti-women stuff on here, so kinda hoping this isn't true.

 

[_Gollum_]

Holy shit, this the dumbest one yet LMAO. They say the site "rewards" us with titles, as if anyone notices or gives a shit about being a student or a wizard, etc.

"Deciding to die can be a choice, yes, but what choice is any if it obliterates your chances to ever make another choice again?"

HWAT DOES THIS MEAN??? It sounds like they just want to sound wise.

Hahaha this sounds like one of those "I'm-14-and-this-is-deep" pseudo-philosophical BS. Like....is the journalist implying that in order for something to be a "choice," it necessarily has to open up other choices??

 

[leloyon]

The site surely rewards us with titles since you can literally choose your title to whatever you want and activity doesn't give you special ones

Damn straight, seven-post Archangel. I salute you.

 

[Forever Sleep]

That is absolutely infuriating to read as someone who has made so many posts over the years about actively feeling so much fucking pain about what my death will do to my loved ones as well as actively trying to do everything in my power to minimize the pain that it will cause. How fucking disgusting of them to try and say we are "unappreciative" of the pain. I have stayed alive for years and years for my family. I have now been in consecutive inpatient treatment that has left me with nothing but worse mental health and trauma for my family. I have done research upon research to try and make the logistics of my death easier on my family so that they don't have to try and deal with those alongside the emotional pain it will bring. That is appalling to read.

I feel exactly the same. I hate it when people try to guilt trip us- without knowing the slightest thing about us. Even the 'helpline' used that on me. (An enforced call after a welfare check.) 'Think about what it will do to your loved ones.' I wanted to reply: 'What do you think's kept me alive and trapped here the past 35 years?!'

Truthfully, I'm getting so sick of it all. Why is their pain more valid than mine? I want people like this to really think about what they're implying here. Some people won't get better. They'll just struggle on in pain for decades. I want people like this to admit that they are ok with that. Just so long as they don't get to experience grief. Why isn't that seen as selfish and sadistic?