Discussion Nature

[Johnnythefox]

Just watching David Attenborough's Blue Planet. It really demonstrates what life on earth is all about, every living thing is in a battle for survival.

No mercy is given in the daily pursuit of life sustaining nutrients, from birth onwards it's just one long battle to get by.

Nothing happens by accident in nature, even the most beautiful flowers evolved in order to attract beneficial animals. Trees battle to be at the top of the canopy, plants produce deadly toxins as defence mechanisms.

To me nature seems brutal, harsh and of course unforgiving. If you are not prepared to be ruthless then the natural laws of life ensure that you won't survive long.

I don't see much beauty in nature now, if you scratch the surface you see what's really happening.
The earth is one big battleground and those who can no longer fight are left to fall by the wayside, forgotten about, trodden down, or preyed upon by the ruthless.
We live in an age where violence is churned out as entertainment in the form of blockbuster movies or realistic computer games, they sate our appetite for what we no longer participate in daily.
And that is the thrill of the hunt that all other living things participate in, in order to survive.

 

[15dec]

The fact humans started to drift from the hunter-gatherer lifestyle and begin making settlements and farming is something I've always found odd. Us becoming so intelligent and having so much sentience is a double edged sword -sure, life is a hell of a lot easier this way, but at what cost? We seem to have bred a society of ignorance and hatred, with a multitude of health problems that seem related to a sedentary lifestyle and processed diets that our bodies simply aren't evolved to handle.

 

[Circles]

Just watching David Attenborough's Blue Planet. It really demonstrates what life on earth is all about, every living thing is in a battle for survival.

No mercy is given in the daily pursuit of life sustaining nutrients, from birth onwards it's just one long battle to get by.

Nothing happens by accident in nature, even the most beautiful flowers evolved in order to attract beneficial animals. Trees battle to be at the top of the canopy, plants produce deadly toxins as defence mechanisms.

To me nature seems brutal, harsh and of course unforgiving. If you are not prepared to be ruthless then the natural laws of life ensure that you won't survive long.

I don't see much beauty in nature now, if you scratch the surface you see what's really happening.
The earth is one big battleground and those who can no longer fight are left to fall by the wayside, forgotten about, trodden down, or preyed upon by the ruthless.
We live in an age where violence is churned out as entertainment in the form of blockbuster movies or realistic computer games, they sate our appetite for what we no longer participate in daily.
And that is the thrill of the hunt that all other living things participate in, in order to survive.

Yep, everything feeds on each other. It's one big algorithm that cannibalizes on basically the same matter that has been on this planet for eons. Nature is perpetual and in a way it's in an eternal dynamic battle of creation and ultimately destruction. Nature doesn't care and it's weird how we put so much emphasis on the great outdoors. It really seems absurd as Albert Camus believed, out of the infinitude of all Possibilities, nature went ahead and created trillions of beings eating each other alive in the most brutal conditions for billions of years. And that is just this planet, imagine all the alien worlds out there right now playing the same game but with different settings. Imagine that this one universe is but one out of maybe infinite number of other universes. The scale of all this torment is .... words just cannot describe the disgust. And The Universe could have been infertile, or it could have been some sort of paradise, impossible to imagine with our broken minds, the grotesque accumulation of being indoctrinated. But no, instead we are here to witness a vast sea of incomprehensible blackness, with specks of infinitesimal islands somehow harbouring practically countless innocent beings screaming in agony for eons. Who knows how many of such specks there were, are and will be, all nothings filled with suffering, waiting to dip back into the Void to be forgotten by...nobody? Specks that will pop and drop until what? Nothingness, a state from which the Universe can have another shot at maybe not making something so damn fucked up? Or perhaps not nothingness, but something more terrifying that the Universe is, has been forever trying to escape from? A suffering deeper than the sum of all sufferings on all the specks scattered throughout space and time. It seems as though all of this had been created with malignity and hatred.

 

[Johnnythefox]

Yep, everything feeds on each other. It's one big algorithm that cannibalizes on basically the same matter that has been on this planet for eons. Nature is perpetual and in a way it's in an eternal dynamic battle of creation and ultimately destruction. Nature doesn't care and it's weird how we put so much emphasis on the great outdoors. It really seems absurd as Albert Camus believed, out of the infinitude of all Possibilities, nature went ahead and created trillions of beings eating each other alive in the most brutal conditions for billions of years. And that is just this planet, imagine all the alien worlds out there right now playing the same game but with different settings. Imagine that this one universe is but one out of maybe infinite number of other universes. The scale of all this torment is .... words just cannot describe the disgust. And The Universe could have been infertile, or it could have been some sort of paradise, impossible to imagine with our broken minds, the grotesque accumulation of being indoctrinated. But no, instead we are here to witness a vast sea of incomprehensible blackness, with specks of infinitesimal islands somehow harbouring practically countless innocent beings screaming in agony for eons. Who knows how many of such specks there were, are and will be, all nothings filled with suffering, waiting to dip back into the Void to be forgotten by...nobody? Specks that will pop and drop until what? Nothingness, a state from which the Universe can have another shot at maybe not making something so damn fucked up? Or perhaps not nothingness, but something more terrifying that the Universe is, has been forever trying to escape from? A suffering deeper than the sum of all sufferings on all the specks scattered throughout space and time. It seems as though all of this had been created with malignity and hatred.

12 out of 10 for that.

 

[ReadyasEver]

I love the series Blue Planet and the one about life on land. I do not think nature is cruel or kind. It simply exists in complete neutrality, always trying to maintain a balance of some sort. Humans have really tried to overcome and changed the balance of nature that has developed over several hundreds of millions of years. Our grandiose beliefs of being the masters of this planet will be our undoing.

 

[Circles]

I love the series Blue Planet and the one about life on land. I do not think nature is cruel or kind. It simply exists in complete neutrality, always trying to maintain a balance of some sort. Humans have really tried to overcome and changed the balance of nature that has developed over several hundreds of millions of years. Our grandiose beliefs of being the masters of this planet will be our undoing.

Nature as a whole, all of existence I could believe tries to finds a balance of some sort of equilibrium. But that doesn't explain why any of this occurs. Why anything and why must suffering be an overwhelming problem that affects all of life? Is there no other way? Why isn't complete nothingness the all-encompassing reality? And if everything is just complete randomness of the multiverse or god's forgotten play toy, it still doesn't justify the perpetual and needless death and suffering that keeps happening. Sure some aspects of life 'may be enjoyable', if you get that random algorithm to work in your favor, but it doesn't exclude the forceful unforgiving random process that nip picks and torments every being. There may be no point, maybe it just is but I don't see much beauty in forcing beings out of the void to such benign circumstances where none of us get to choose to belong to this shitshow.

 

[Madame Psychosis]

It's incomprehensible to me that some people believe humans have an exalted place on Earth, or in the universe. We are creatures that evolved certain traits conducive to survival thanks to natural selection and random mutation, not because we were somehow predestined to flourish. Humans have blood and guts like any other animal. Humans perform the basic bodily functions that other animals do. In many respects, we're worse equipped to survive than animals that come out of the womb capable of walking around and looking for food. Human children don't know what the hell is going on for years and only become competent after a lot of physical development and many, many sit-downs with adults, who have to tell them not to put poisonous things in their mouths and not to wander onto freeways to retrieve bouncy balls.

Why should we be special? What makes us so great? We pat ourselves on the back for coming out on top, winning the game of nature, while we drive ourselves to extinction with the indiscriminate burning of fossil fuels. In the end, the worms don't discriminate between a human being and a squirrel.

 

[Johnnythefox]

It's incomprehensible to me that some people believe humans have an exalted place on Earth, or in the universe. We are creatures that evolved certain traits conducive to survival thanks to natural selection and random mutation, not because we were somehow predestined to flourish. Humans have blood and guts like any other animal. Humans perform the basic bodily functions that other animals do. In many respects, we're worse equipped to survive than animals that come out of the womb capable of walking around and looking for food. Human children don't know what the hell is going on for years and only become competent after a lot of physical development and many, many sit-downs with adults, who have to tell them not to put poisonous things in their mouths and not to wander onto freeways to retrieve bouncy balls.

Why should we be special? What makes us so great? We pat ourselves on the back for coming out on top, winning the game of nature, while we drive ourselves to extinction with the indiscriminate burning of fossil fuels. In the end, the worms don't discriminate between a human being and a squirrel.

12 out of 10 for that.

 

[LoNatural]

I still think that nature is the most beautiful thing we have. Nature itself. I don't care if I´m the pray or the hunter, when my time comes, I'll accept it and move on. But at the same time, I´ll try to be the hunter in every way, because that's what nature wanted for me, to compete till I'm done.

 

[ReadyasEver]

Nature as a whole, all of existence I could believe tries to finds a balance of some sort of equilibrium. But that doesn't explain why any of this occurs. Why anything and why must suffering be an overwhelming problem that affects all of life? Is there no other way? Why isn't complete nothingness the all-encompassing reality? And if everything is just complete randomness of the multiverse or god's forgotten play toy, it still doesn't justify the perpetual and needless death and suffering that keeps happening. Sure some aspects of life 'may be enjoyable', if you get that random algorithm to work in your favor, but it doesn't exclude the forceful unforgiving random process that nip picks and torments every being. There may be no point, maybe it just is but I don't see much beauty in forcing beings out of the void to such benign circumstances where none of us get to choose to belong to this shitshow.

For me, life for anyone is a dice roll at the craps table. Some people truly get the good rolls, some get terrible rolls ( snake eyes ), and some get the the ping pong effect of back and forth. Somehow, when you add all the rolls up ( billions ) it averages out to 7. We think that is OK because it is the average, not thinking about the hundreds of millions of rolls that got us to this average. Millions upon millions of people suffer hunger, isolation, discrimination, disease, homelessness, mental illness, and deprivation. But as long as the species can continue in this equilibrium state, it will. We are programmed for survival of the species, not ourselves ultimately. It is a cruel joke for many of us, that so many suffer to bring a balance. Why this occurs, I believe I'll never know the answer. All I can do is look at pragmatically, and that conclusion really sucks to be honest.

 

[Zzzzz]

I pretty much view nature as inherently Predatory, extremely self -serving and cruel. Life forms are born without any choice. Thrown into a likely harsh existence. Subjected to pain and suffering . Countless animals are killed and eaten at birth, so there purpose in "nature " is to be food for other animals. Without the Predatory cycle life falls apart. If our world were "created " , it was clearly done by a sadomasochist who loves suffering. When it comes to life, there's no way I can call nature anything but Predatory. Without life, the Universe doesn't seem so bad, because apparently there would be no suffering.