My thoughts about Tantacrul’s dumb video

[coldblood]

I found this site through Tantacrul's video. And honestly, I wish I had found this site when I was younger. I'm surprised how I didn't, since I spent so much of the most suicidal years of my life online.

I just wanted to come here and express my opinion on what Tantacrul said in his video. I get he is angry, but his ignorance on our mental states is outstanding. It honestly made me so mad to see how someone could be so delusional about mental health. Sometimes wanting to commit suicide isn't even a mental health issue , it's a fairly normal reaction to the world we live in and all the pressures it presents.

Ergo, I am so baffled at how he is acting like this website is a cause for suicide. People who find this website want to die BEFORE they come here. They want peace. A lot of people simply won't understand it, and so those people try to blindly prevent us from ctb'ing, which only causes us to be pushed into corners of the world where we have to hide. We are suicidal BEFORE we come here. This site does not create suicidal people.

I'm not saying this website is perfect, cos it's not, as I'm sure it creates and festers unhealthy ways to see the world, but the point is, mentally well people do not come here, and leave dead, like people like Tantacrul seem to think. We have the world around us to blame for that. Personally, I think mourning mothers and fathers who just want something to blame, so they blame this site. Ironically, I'm betting that a lot of those parents are the ones who are actually to blame for youth suicides more than this site is. How on earth have you created a relationship with your child where you fail to realise how suicidal they are? How many of those mourning parents are abusive without realising? We just don't know.

The issue people like Tantacrul are wanting to solve does not lie in demolishing this site. They would be taking away a massive support system for many users. I was so lonely when I did attempt after attempt and failed, I would have loved support from you guys. If you want to die, you will. If you have a sliver of hope, you won't. Nobody is bound to this website. We can choose to log off. We can CHOOSE to stay alive, just like we can CHOOSE to die.

The "solution" that the outsiders want is much deeper than blocking this site. It would have to involve actually putting some effort in and fixing this fucked up world, investing more into mental health, making it easier for people like us to have the strength to carry on. They just don't get it do they? Mental health is a huge issue that the WORLD has created. Not ONE fking website. There's been an increase in suicide since the 90s because this trash planet has become more and more horrific to live in. None of us asked to be born into it, and quite frankly we are allowed to seek out ways to leave, cos this planet is absolute dog shit.

I feel quite passionately about this as I have been suicidal for over a decade now. For some people they can fix it. For others whom life is a constant state of suffering for, or who might just see the world differently, we can't. And that's fine. I live a perfectly normal life on the outisde. On the easier days, I can distract myself with dumb life stuff. But on my hard days, I still wish for death. And it sucks having absolutely nobody who gets it. Being alone while feeling like this is a death sentence in itself. Something someone as mentally privileged as Tantacrul would not understand.

That's all I have to say really. I'm perplexed at the ignorance of the masses. And at how his logic seems to make any sense.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

ABSO-FRIGGIN-LUTELY LOVE THIS!!!

I'm not saying this website is perfect, cos it's not, as I'm sure it creates and festers unhealthy ways to see the world, but the point is, mentally well people do not come here, and leave dead, like people like Tantacrul seem to think.

The only thing I'd disagree with is this above. But I say that as a grown individual with a fully developed mind and lots of experience behind it. Noone has ever been able to influence me even as a teenager. But I may be unique in that light.

Would love to hear what the younger people specifically on this site think. I wonder if this site is compromised of lots of strong-minded individualists. Might make a great future poll for members.

 

[SpiderLink]

Lmao, I found out about this site from him. he should have done more research and even doing research won't even be enough cuz he isn't in our shoes.

 

[NambaSutra]

It's also clear the powers that be don't actually want anyone to feel better. It would destroy the multibillion dollar market for "antidepressants" and "therapists" that are based on biased and paid-for junk science, and a dead person is no better. Dead people don't work in slave jobs and buy food and medicine and other products of capitalism.

Sometimes I wish I had been born to one of the few remaining indigenous tribes that don't do capitalism.

 

[chainball]

I thank him for perfectly advertising this forum! Finding this site is the thing that has brought me the most comfort in a long while. When I'm starting to panic I just open the forum on my phone and immediately I feel at peace.

 

[rabbit_feet]

I also came to this site via Tantacrul's video. Aside from the naivete from a non-suicidal person, the sheer lack of effort he made to really conceal the site kind of baffles me. It took me one (1) google search to find it. Not to mention he follows a bunch of people on twitter that have the name of this forum in their bios. If suicidal people looking for methods watch his video, they can and will find this forum. Although he means well, he is actively contributing to what he believes is a problem.

I do have to say, though, that I can understand why he's upset and listened to him with a grain of salt. I have struggled with mental health for years, and continue to struggle even now, though I've gotten much better. As of now, I have no interest in CTB, but I still think this forum is a neat place with lots in interesting things to read about and a lot of nice people just looking for solace. What Tantacrul doesn't understand is the idea that a forum like this may even be helping people not CTB. Having a place where struggling people can talk about their issues judgement free (or as close to this as possible) is so vital and I don't think mentally healthy people understand that.

I do kind of hear his sentiment. The vast majority of people view suicide as a tragedy, and while I'm all for having access to the right to die and use of your own body as you see fit, I do kinda understand where he's coming from. My brother has made multiple attempts on his life in the past and it would have absolutely rocked me to my core if he had succeeded.

Another small note, I thought the way Tantacrul portrayed this community seemed.... ingenuous. Thus, I searched it out. Lo and behold, everyone here isn't a total monster! Crazy to me how people think just because this sight is a gathering place for struggling people that means this is purely an echo chamber for telling other people to off themselves. I don't even think he mentioned the amount of resources and whole other section of the forum dedicated to getting help.

Edit: realizing i was using mentally healthy/unwell as a way to differentiate between users and non-users of the site. I don't necessarily think everyone on this site is mentally unhealthy or unwell, though I do think that the vast majority of people on here sought out this forum because they are suffering from severe depression and the symptoms that come with it. Sorry if that sounded offensive :'v

 

[User00]

I dont like people down playing, or even invalidating someones reason to want to end. If life is so bad for them that they want out than it is valid what ever the reason may be, and i also am in the same situation where i was wanted to unalive since 16 years ago and i wanted to unalive from then and i didnt know the concept of doing that no one has ever mentioned it to me i didnt even know the word suicide existed. i just wanted to stop existing because of the pain i felt and all the traumatic experiences ive had to go through.
But to make things clear if i want to live than i will and if i want to die than i will, and its my choice because i didnt choose to be born, so wouldnt it be right for me to be able to choose to die?
I dont want anyone to unalive themselves but it isnt my decision i can only be supportive for them not to do it.

 

[Euthanza]

The comment section of tantacruel video is absolutely hellish. Their inability to understand makes them suggest that old members here should have CTB'ed unless we are psychopath, what a stupid and ignorant ways of thinking.

They want to prevent suicide is what they said, but what they're doing is pushing us away to commit suicide in most horrible ways, all for against peaceful methods.

 

[rabbit_feet]

The comment section of tantacruel video is absolutely hellish. Their inability to understand makes them suggest that old members here should have CTB'ed unless we are psychopath, what a stupid and ignorant ways of thinking.

They want to prevent suicide is what they said, but what they're doing is pushing us away to commit suicide in most horrible ways, all for against peaceful methods.

They claim this forum is an echo chamber for encouraging CTB, but there are countless comments on that video calling the users of this site monsters. It makes me sick.

 

[coldblood]

ABSO-FRIGGIN-LUTELY LOVE THIS!!!





The only thing I'd disagree with is this above. But I say that as a grown individual with a fully developed mind and lots of experience behind it. Noone has ever been able to influence me even as a teenager. But I may be unique in that light.

Would love to hear what the younger people specifically on this site think. I wonder if this site is compromised of lots of strong-minded individualists. Might make a great future poll for members.

I get why you'd think that. I think probability wise we need to affirm the existence of those who ARE easily influenced, or those who are suicidal to begin with, but seeing content and specific ideology relating to it in the specific way it does on this site might make them MORE suicidal. Not in a negative way, just in a logical way. cos remember not everyone who is suicidal sees it in the ways I have described in the original post. There's no way we can assume that the thousands of people here are all strong-minded in the sense you're describing.

 

[coldblood]

They claim this forum is an echo chamber for encouraging CTB, but there are countless comments on that video calling the users of this site monsters. It makes me sick.

Right?? As if we need any more scrutiny.

 

[Sluggish_Slump]

Yeah, Tantacrul acts as though rational suicide doesn't exist and wanting it means the person is insane and should seek help instead of being provided with sources about methods. He never mentions how difficult it is to CTB with the current laws prohibiting peaceful ways out... He just mocks whoever is still alive in this forum for not having the guts to do a suicide in any way possible (and people in the comments mock us as well for not being dead yet) ... We're choosing rational suicide, most of us do the research and wait because we're not acting on impulse, that should be proof enough that we're not insane and shouldn't be involuntary put into psych wards after failed attempts.

And it baffles me that they are so delusional as to think that pro-choice equals pro-death. Maybe they think that a lot more people would willingly leave this existence if they would have been given that choice. And they're are afraid of being proven wrong - that a stupid smile at an end of a video won't stop a person from wanting to CTB.

 

[coldblood]

I also came to this site via Tantacrul's video. Aside from the naivete from a non-suicidal person, the sheer lack of effort he made to really conceal the site kind of baffles me. It took me one (1) google search to find it. Not to mention he follows a bunch of people on twitter that have the name of this forum in their bios. If suicidal people looking for methods watch his video, they can and will find this forum. Although he means well, he is actively contributing to what he believes is a problem.

I do have to say, though, that I can understand why he's upset and listened to him with a grain of salt. I have struggled with mental health for years, and continue to struggle even now, though I've gotten much better. As of now, I have no interest in CTB, but I still think this forum is a neat place with lots in interesting things to read about and a lot of nice people just looking for solace. What Tantacrul doesn't understand is the idea that a forum like this may even be helping people not CTB. Having a place where struggling people can talk about their issues judgement free (or as close to this as possible) is so vital and I don't think mentally healthy people understand that.

I do kind of hear his sentiment. The vast majority of people view suicide as a tragedy, and while I'm all for having access to the right to die and use of your own body as you see fit, I do kinda understand where he's coming from. My brother has made multiple attempts on his life in the past and it would have absolutely rocked me to my core if he had succeeded.

Another small note, I thought the way Tantacrul portrayed this community seemed.... ingenuous. Thus, I searched it out. Lo and behold, everyone here isn't a total monster! Crazy to me how people think just because this sight is a gathering place for struggling people that means this is purely an echo chamber for telling other people to off themselves. I don't even think he mentioned the amount of resources and whole other section of the forum dedicated to getting help.

Edit: realizing i was using mentally healthy/unwell as a way to differentiate between users and non-users of the site. I don't necessarily think everyone on this site is mentally unhealthy or unwell, though I do think that the vast majority of people on here sought out this forum because they are suffering from severe depression and the symptoms that come with it. Sorry if that sounded offensive :'v

In a objective world view, or even an evolutionary one, suicide can be seen as unhealthy. It's not a pleasant way to be living life when you're on the boderline of ctb all the time. I'd much rather be ignorant so I get why you said "unhealthy."

Suicide is devastating for those around us. It's kinda like cancer, I feel like it honestly affects those around us more than the actual individuals suffering.

To those who aren't suicidal, I think it's important to remember that they face mortality a lot less than those who are. Of course a site like this would seem morbid and shocking. We're living life in 2 completely separate ways. So no wonder he can't understand how a site like this would be helpful. He's definitely contributing to the issue he so blindly tried to "bring awareness" to. Look how many new members have joined lately.

 

[ThisIsLife]

The comment section of tantacruel video is absolutely hellish. Their inability to understand makes them suggest that old members here should have CTB'ed unless we are psychopath, what a stupid and ignorant ways of thinking.

They want to prevent suicide is what they said, but what they're doing is pushing us away to commit suicide in most horrible ways, all for against peaceful methods.

What baffles me even more is the very high number of donations he got from the video, average between 10 - 50$ per person.

The guy can literally buy himself a Porsche or a house from that vid alone.

Prepare for more SaSu bashing cause he won't stop milking that cow. I hope i won't be alive anymore to witness it.

 

[Viranamari]

When I first saw that video, I couldn't even tell which website he was talking about. SS is far from encouraging people to die. It's a pro-choice forum. I see no toxic person encouraging someone to die. No matter how many rules and regulations we have, there will be some minors here. We can't do anything about it. Also, he made the video to discourage people from using this site. Ironically, considering the massive influx of members, he did the opposite. I don't see suicide as something the mentally ill does. Mentally ill is a broad term and it rarely applies to people. Suicide is a logical response to this cruel life. While I do understand how devastating suicide might be, therapy barely helps. They gain profit from people's suffering though some might find it beneficial. You can simply find their advice on Youtube.
He also needs to understand that suicide is a personal opinion. People wish to die before they even came here. SS provides methods for them and frees them from suffering which is better than 'help.' The comment section in that video is sickening as people mindlessly agree with him. Calling SS a cult is completely nonsensical. I guess that just goes on to show how cruel and unforgiving human beings can be with the world being so anti-suicide, it's no wonder why people would want to be on SS.

I'm not saying this website is perfect, cos it's not, as I'm sure it creates and festers unhealthy ways to see the world,

I have to disagree with that. Although I'm a younger member, it didn't create or fester any unhealthy way to see the world. After all, everything is either a fact or an opinion. I don't get influenced too easily so perhaps it's a personal thing. Anyways, society sees suicide as a crazy thing to do and unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about it. At least this is all my personal view.

 

[t0rch]

One of the comment entirely baffled me and just goes to reveal the ignorance of non-suicidal people's and their lack of understanding of people who are so. Here'a the comment:
(1.3k likes)

Some suicidal people don't just go and off themselves. Just because someone haven't offed themselves (yet or ever) doesn't mean they're not suicidal. This just goes to reinforce that only people who have a plan to ctb or have already offed themselves are considered suicidal. Thus leading to people who are in that vulnerable position but not necessarily to the degree of carrying out their plan or make a plan, to belittle their suffering. These people then goes to deem that they are not hurting "enough".

This comment indicates how people who struggle with their mental health are treated in society. I shouldn't need to reach my crisis point for you to believe that I'm pain.

Just because I don't seem like I want to die; just because you see me excel at what I do; just because you are ignorant of my life, doesn't mean I don't think about offing myself the majority of my awaking hours.

I feel like no "sane" person as they claim themselves to be knows what it is like to be suicidal. I feel so alienated.

Edit: grammar

 

[Death is my goal]

why we still talking about his stupid ass

 

[Euthanza]

why we still talking about his stupid ass

I think tantacruel deleted most of the pro choice comments on his video, we should find somewhere else he's not in charge to make our voice being heard

 

[Unhumanly.]

"People who find this website want to die BEFORE they come here. They want peace."

Exactly, well said

 

[SilentSadness]

His video is obviously delusional, he attacked the site because he got banned and has a huge ego. Also, the video has made him plenty of money and a hero status among his followers. I personally don't care about whether he benefited or not, after all they won't succeed in taking down the site. They are all shallow and self-centred and have no idea what they are talking about. Suicide is a right which everyone has, and the way suicidal people are treated is disgusting. I hope you can find some kind of comfort from the site.

 

[BloatedGloater]

One of his biggest complaints were that minors could find this site...
I wonder how many minors have joined after he posted his video. I wonder how many minors saw his video qnd view this site as guests.
If tantacrul had a plan, he really didn't think it through.
I have stumbled upon at the very least 5 post made by minors since I joined, and I joined due to Tantacruls video.
(I'd like to specify that I myself am in my 20's)

 

[WorthlessTrash]

One of his biggest complaints were that minors could find this site...
I wonder how many minors have joined after he posted his video. I wonder how many minors saw his video qnd view this site as guests.
If tantacrul had a plan, he really didn't think it through.
I have stumbled upon at the very least 5 post made by minors since I joined, and I joined due to Tantacruls video.
(I'd like to specify that I myself am in my 20's)

Very true. He's not very bright,