Help My recommended dose of SN

[21Neberg]

Dear all,

as I've received my SN and have gathered some OTC anti-ematics, I've grown quite afraid of the side effects of SN. The seizures scare me especially. I've read on this forum that the extent of your side-effects depends on the relation between your body and the dosage you've taken.

Wikipedia states here that the median lethal dosage of SN is 71mg/KG. Now, I weigh 53 kilograms. This is where my question comes in.

Should I take ~3,76 grams of SN ((71mg * 53 KG) / 1000) or the megathread-recommend dosage of 20 grams? I am concerned that if I take too little, I'll survive but seeing as my calculated dosage is so much lower than the dosage mentioned on here I am afraid that if I take those 20 grams that the side-effects will be so extremely painful that I'll end up calling an ambulance.

Any advice is appreciated.

 

[Meretlein]

Take the original 15 grams.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Dear all,

as I've received my SN and have gathered some OTC anti-ematics, I've grown quite afraid of the side effects of SN. The seizures scare me especially. I've read on this forum that the extent of your side-effects depends on the relation between your body and the dosage you've taken.

Wikipedia states here that the median lethal dosage of SN is 71mg/KG. Now, I weigh 53 kilograms. This is where my question comes in.

Should I take ~3,76 grams of SN ((71mg * 53 KG) / 1000) or the megathread-recommend dosage of 20 grams? I am concerned that if I take too little, I'll survive but seeing as my calculated dosage is so much lower than the dosage mentioned on here I am afraid that if I take those 20 grams that the side-effects will be so extremely painful that I'll end up calling an ambulance.

Any advice is appreciated.

If you want you can take the middle ground and do maybe like 12 grams. The megathread dosage was probably bumped up for fat people. And the wikipedia dose is the bare minimum.

 

[21Neberg]

If you want you can take the middle ground and do maybe like 12 grams. The megathread dosage was probably bumped up for fat people. And the wikipedia dose is the bare minimum.

The wikipedia dosage actually isn't the bare minimum. The lethal dose, in the case of the wikipedia article linked an LD50 value, means that to kill 50% of the test subject group, you'd have to use a certain dosage. Thus in my case that was 71mg/KG. You can read more about LD50 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose

12grams still seems extremely painful. It's three times what I need for a 50% chance at death.

 

[jake3d]

Take benzos if you're worried. Seizures before death are common with any cause, by the time that happens you'll be knocked out already.

 

[GeorgeJL]

The wikipedia dosage actually isn't the bare minimum. The lethal dose, in the case of the wikipedia article linked an LD50 value, means that to kill 50% of the test subject group, you'd have to use a certain dosage. Thus in my case that was 71mg/KG. You can read more about LD50 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose

12grams still seems extremely painful. It's three times what I need for a 50% chance at death.

Do whatever you want. But if you do go with the 3,76 grams you better make sure you have at least a full 24 hours or longer to yourself undistrubed, as it might be a long drawn out process, I don't really know for sure.

 

[memento_mori]

I think 3.76g won't be enough
I think I ingested at least 3g during my attempt ( I'm petite, underweight, female), still survived.
Granted I forced myself to throw up after the effects kicked in ( it was a scary experience), but I doubt that amount would work for a guy

 

[ZomGuy]

The wikipedia dosage actually isn't the bare minimum. The lethal dose, in the case of the wikipedia article linked an LD50 value, means that to kill 50% of the test subject group, you'd have to use a certain dosage. Thus in my case that was 71mg/KG. You can read more about LD50 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose

12grams still seems extremely painful. It's three times what I need for a 50% chance at death.

If you take 4g, even if it will kill you, it might get really uncomfortable keep that in mind. I think you should go for something like 9,5g because that's the average ((15+4)/2). This way you have a high chance of success and if it will kill you it will be much more peaceful compared to 4g. Plus there's a decent chance of not throwing up.

 

[Bentham]

71mg/kg stated in Wikipedia is LD(lo) not LD(50). But the source referred in Wikipedia can not be confirmed because of the dead link.
"Sodium nitrite's LD50 in rats is 180 mg/kg and its human LDLo is 71 mg/kg, meaning a 65 kg person would likely have to consume at least 4.6 g to result in death"

WHO states in Nitrate and nitrite in drinking-water that "Accidental human intoxications have been reported as a result of the presence of nitrite in food. The oral lethal dose for humans was estimated to range from 33 to 250 mg of nitrite per kilogram of body weight, the lower doses applying to children and elderly people."

I do not know the definition of "WHO's lethal dose", LD(lo) or LD(50). Further nitrite is the molecular weight of 47 g/mol while sodium nitrite is 69 (68% potency against nitrite). Suppose I need to 250mg/kg nitrite for the lethal outcome, the equivalent amount of sodium nitrite would be around 367mg/kg (250/68%); if my weight is 60kg, the amount is around 22g.


As to seizures, I understand there might be some dose range that causes seizures but non-lethal outcomes. But I do not understand, and really want to know, the dose-dependent mechanism (a certain "lethal" dose range) which causes lethal outcomes and the increase of probability resulting in seizures.

 

[21Neberg]

If you take 4g, even if it will kill you, it might get really uncomfortable keep that in mind. I think you should go for something like 9,5g because that's the average ((15+4)/2). This way you have a high chance of success and if it will kill you it will be much more peaceful compared to 4g. Plus there's a decent chance of not throwing up.

Thanks for the reply! Just wondering though, why would a higher dosage be better in terms of pain? In my eyes, a higher dose would only increase stomach pain and risk of seizures.

Do whatever you want. But if you do go with the 3,76 grams you better make sure you have at least a full 24 hours or longer to yourself undistrubed, as it might be a long drawn out process, I don't really know for sure.

Thanks for the reply. Ofcourse I'm taking more than that :)

 

[ZomGuy]

Thanks for the reply! Just wondering though, why would a higher dosage be better in terms of pain? In my eyes, a higher dose would only increase stomach pain and risk of seizures.


Thanks for the reply. Ofcourse I'm taking more than that :)

As far as I understood, a higher dose will make you pass out faster because the methemoglobin level will rise more rapidly. Seizures should only occur if one manages to not pass out for a long time. That's why I think a higher dose is better eventually.

 

[21Neberg]

As far as I understood, a higher dose will make you pass out faster because the methemoglobin level will rise more rapidly. Seizures should only occur if one manages to not pass out for a long time. That's why I think a higher dose is better eventually.

Thank you so much for this information, it's going to help me a lot! I have 35mg of SN now, so I think I'm going to take 17,5 grams. That way, if I fail, I don't have to order again and I have another high dosage ready.

 

[Watcher]

Multiply: 200milligrams per 3.
Then, multiply it again per Your weight.
Finally, divide it in 2.
That will be your recommended dose, according to your weight.
But, remember to covert the milligrams into grams.

 

[Diewell]

What's the effect of too much SN?

If I don't have equipment for measuring the mass how do I work around it?

 

[joshe]

So seizures, and blue lips/skin are the side effect of SN?

I thought it was roughly 40mins until unconscious with little to no reported side effects?

 

[jake3d]

You will only get seizures right before you die, you'll be in a coma at that point. The same happens with most other methods like hanging. If you're worried about this, take an overdose of benzos along with your SN.

But yes, your body does turn blue because your blood turns brown, that's what methemoglobinia looks like. So far I know of three people who took sub-lethal doses and survived, they only reported a slight discoloration of lips and skin and a headache the next day. These symptoms went away one day later.

One of them was just trying it out, the other two were serious about their attempt but their substance was not pure.

 

[Soul]

What's the effect of too much SN?

If I don't have equipment for measuring the mass how do I work around it?

For measuring the SN, you mean? I intend to use normal kitchen measuring spoons. A teaspoon = 5ml, which will be close enough to 5g. A tablespoon = 15 ml. If you don't have any measuring spoons you can buy them quite cheaply.

 

[quiet35]

A teaspoon = 5ml, which will be close enough to 5g

SN density stated in different sources varies from 1.3 to 2.2 g/cm3 (in most sources I was able to find it's ~2.2). So a teaspoon of SN will weigh 6.5 to 11 g. But to be sure I would get a scale. This is not a kind of recipe one can afford to mess up.

 

[Soul]

SN density stated in different sources varies from 1.3 to 2.2 g/cm3 (in most sources I was able to find it's ~2.2). So a teaspoon of SN will weigh 6.5 to 11 g. But to be sure I would get a scale. This is not a kind of recipe one can afford to mess up.

Not arguing, just observing: Most "affordable" kitchen scales, at least where I live, are the kind that can't make up their minds how much something weighs. "Seven grams. No, eleven - I meant eleven! Or three? Er ... How many did you want?"

It's up to each of us, of course, but I feel I'm at less risk of underdosing with my measuring spoons.

 

[jake3d]

A jewelry scale for 100g with 0.01g accuracy can be had for $10.

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

I had the blue lips and finger nails with the headache but i now have 2 red eyes. Has no one mentioned this side effect?

 

[Dreamcolleger]

Does anyone know anything about the new recommended dose apparently being 20-25g according to Exit?

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

Figured out what it was. It was a subconjunctival haemorrhage caused by the vomiting.