My Landlord Wants Me to Get the Covid Vaccine

[WhiteDespair]

I don't want it.

I've been mulling it over in my head since he told me yesterday. I've been irritated, slightly depressed and borderline angry though I've calmed down a bit. I'm still thinking it through, going through my options and hoping he and his family and friends die in screaming agony.

I'd go into my analysis of the situation but that would make this tldr. I'd answer questions though.

The outcome is highly likely that I get the vaccine even though I don't want it.

I've heard a saying: Experience is something you get when you don't get what you want.

Looks like I'm getting a ton of experience.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Without knowing where you live or anything is there a legal standing behind him making you get it? Because I'm sort of having trouble believing there is, what if you're allergic or something and seriously can't get it.

 

[timf]

If you have a lease with your landlord, it is unlikely that he retains the right to demand your getting a vaccine. You may also ask him that if he tried to compel you to get it, that he assumes any financial responsibility for any negative effects. For example if you become disabled from it, he would pay for your care for the rest of your life.

 

[UninformedLover]

Best you go over your lease so if he tries anything (like kick you out god forbid) you can be knowledgeable on if he can or can not do that.

 

[WornOutLife]

That saying is amazing and so true.

Well, I'm sorry to hear this.
I think the same as you. Sooner or later, you'll probably have to get the vaccine.

 

[deflationary]

What's the downside of getting the vaccine?

 

[WhiteDespair]

Without knowing where you live or anything is there a legal standing behind him making you get it? Because I'm sort of having trouble believing there is, what if you're allergic or something and seriously can't get it.

Legal no. He can evict me though. First thing I did was look for a new place. Everything is out of my price range. I'll run into the same situation if I go for a roommate.

If you have a lease with your landlord, it is unlikely that he retains the right to demand your getting a vaccine. You may also ask him that if he tried to compel you to get it, that he assumes any financial responsibility for any negative effects. For example if you become disabled from it, he would pay for your care for the rest of your life.

Even if I had the lease he could choose not to have me back when it expired. That may be an option though it would forment bad blood between us. Thank you. It gives me something to think about.

That saying is amazing and so true.

Well, I'm sorry to hear this.
I think the same as you. Sooner or later, you'll probably have to get the vaccine.

Yeah. I had a feeling I would need to get it at some point because of heading into my office or some other thing. I'd have liked to dodge it longer.

What's the downside of getting the vaccine?

The downside is that I have no faith in the safety and efficacy of the rushed product.

 

[LunarPyotr]

I agree with your statement here. Even though it's there, I personally would still wait at least 5 months before I get the vaccine since it's a fresh product.
Kinda stupid to compare a liquid with an laptop but let's say it's kinda the same.
The vaccine can have some side effects which can be sometimes health threatening if it triggers some allergic reaction.
The same thing was when Apple introduced the first iPhone and MacBook Air. Those products were awful and didn't had much functionality but as Apple continued releasing newer iPhone/MacBook Air models, the better they were ( i personally owned a iPhone 3g and 3gs. Were definitely better than the iPhone 1 and 2) .

Now I believe that the same thing will go with those vaccines.
Like the first one that we have, has side effects and isn't probably fully protect you from Covid as it mutated.
Then we get the second "version" which will be better and then the third and final version, which will be protecting you to 99.9% (or at least 80%).

 

[Jumper Geo]

Sorry to hear they are trying to force or manipulate you into getting the vaccine, I don't think they can ask or insist legally yet, have you spoken to other residents or checked on their website to see if they have something in writing. I would start there if it's in writing at least it shows they are not just picking on certain people they think they can manipulate or bully to get their own way.

I would check your legal rights before agreeing, although the covid-19 passport will become a reality of life for travel and work.

Good luck

Cheers

Geo

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm starting to feel forced to get a vaccine too only instead of my landlord (which I thankfully don't have), it's all of my friends. Even my mom who's as scared of the vaccine as I am is starting to consider it.

Thing is, even if I get it there's literally no reason to because as an overweight diabetic, the vaccine will not be very effective on me anyway at least from what I read about vaccines not working on people like me. Plus I'm scared of needles.

 

[deflationary]

The downside is that I have no faith in the safety and efficacy of the rushed product.

Do you have faith in the safety and efficacy of covid then?

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Why even bother with the "land" part at this point?

 

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

Don't be scared of the various vaccines. They're all based off of a vaccine that's been in development for years hence why they managed to make it so quick. If this was a fresh vaccine from scratch there wouldn't even be a vaccine to take it would be far off into the future.

Before there was Covid there was SARS and MERS, both of which came around in the early 2000s but the infection was stemmed in the countries it broke out in hence why you probably haven't heard of either of them.

These illnesses are like siblings to one another, very similar genetic makeup. After SARS and MERS broke out scientists had been working on a vaccine but because of a lack of funding and the fact that those diseases were more or less irradicated, the research took a bit of a back burner. It continued to be done by scientists but it wasn't just wasn't as prominent because of the aforementioned reasons.

"Researchers were not starting from scratch when they learned about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

SARS-CoV-2 is a member of the coronavirus family. According to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious DiseasesTrusted Source, there are hundreds of coronaviruses — including four that can cause the common cold, as well as the coronaviruses that sparked the SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, epidemic in 2002 and the emergence of MERS, or Middle East respiratory syndrome, in 2012.

Dr. Eric J. Yager, an associate professor of microbiology at Albany College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences in Albany, NY, told MNT that scientists have been studying coronaviruses for over 50 years. This meant scientists had existing data on the structure, genome, and life cycle of this type of virus."

COVID-19 vaccine: How was it developed so fast?

With vaccine approvals underway, MNT spoke with medical experts about how COVID-19 vaccines were designed so quickly without compromising safety.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

You can read more here, it expands on the points I already mentioned.

So essentially, the vaccine had already been in development for years, plus funding and the fact that there was a common interest led to this vaccine being produced so quickly.

It's been tested on various different subject groups and they're all safe.

If you're concerned, learn which vaccine you're getting and research some info about.

Knowledge leads to informed decisions.

I hope this comment has calmed you somewhat.

 

[WhiteDespair]

I agree with your statement here. Even though it's there, I personally would still wait at least 5 months before I get the vaccine since it's a fresh product.
Kinda stupid to compare a liquid with an laptop but let's say it's kinda the same.
The
ffects which can be sometimes health threatening if it triggers some allergic reaction.
The same thing was when Apple introduced the first iPhone and MacBook Air. Those products were awful and didn't had much functionality but as Apple continued releasing newer iPhone/MacBook Air models, the better they were ( i personally owned a iPhone 3g and 3gs. Were definitely better than the iPhone 1 and 2) .

Now I believe that the same thing will go with those vaccines.
Like the first one that we have, has side effects and isn't probably fully protect you from Covid as it mutated.
Then we get the second "version" which will be better and then the third and final version, which will be protecting you to 99.9% (or at least 80%).

Right now the vaccine stands at about 80% effective which is low compared to others and there are reports that you can still get it. Not cool in my book. If the next batch has a higher efficacy rate that would be awesome. You're right that things have a tendency to improve over time and we'll get a better vaccine.

Sorry to hear they are trying to force or manipulate you into getting the vaccine, I don't think they can ask or insist legally yet, have you spoken to other residents or checked on their website to see if they have something in writing. I would start there if it's in writing at least it shows they are not just picking on certain people they think they can manipulate or bully to get their own way.

I would check your legal rights before agreeing, although the covid-19 passport will become a reality of life for travel and work.

Good luck

Cheers

Geo

Thank you. If I were living in an apartment building it would be different. Right now I'm renting a room so there's not too much recourse. If I had the ability I would seriously consider leaving but it is kinda dumb to upend your life over the vaccine.

I'm starting to feel forced to get a vaccine too only instead of my landlord (which I thankfully don't have), it's all of my friends. Even my mom who's as scared of the vaccine as I am is starting to consider it.

Thing is, even if I get it there's literally no reason to because as an overweight diabetic, the vaccine will not be very effective on me anyway at least from what I read about vaccines not working on people like me. Plus I'm scared of needles.

You're right in that there's a lot of pressure to get the vaccine which is one reason I'm hesitant to get it. That pressure is only going to get worse.

Really? The vaccine isn't effective for you? That's a kick it the gut if you're forced or pressured into it.

Do you have faith in the safety and efficacy of covid then?

I have faith in my immune system. If it fails and I die, no big deal.

Why even bother with the "land" part at this point?

You're right about that. This was a nice reality check.

Don't be scared of the various vaccine. They've all based of a vaccine that's been in development for years hence why they managed to make it so quick. If this was a fresh vaccine from scratch we just wouldn't have it yet.

Before there was Covid there was SARS and MERS, both of which came around in the early 2000s but the infection was stemmed in the countries it broke out in hence why you probably haven't heard of either of them.

These illnesses are like siblings to one another, very similar genetic makeup. After SARS and MERS broke out scientists had been working on a vaccine but because of a lack of funding and the fact that those diseases were more or less irradicated, the research took a bit of a back burner. It continued to be done by scientists but it wasn't just wasn't as prominent because of the aforementioned reasons.

"Researchers were not starting from scratch when they learned about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

SARS-CoV-2 is a member of the coronavirus family. According to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious DiseasesTrusted Source, there are hundreds of coronaviruses — including four that can cause the common cold, as well as the coronaviruses that sparked the SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, epidemic in 2002 and the emergence of MERS, or Middle East respiratory syndrome, in 2012.

Dr. Eric J. Yager, an associate professor of microbiology at Albany College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences in Albany, NY, told MNT that scientists have been studying coronaviruses for over 50 years. This meant scientists had existing data on the structure, genome, and life cycle of this type of virus."

COVID-19 vaccine: How was it developed so fast?

With vaccine approvals underway, MNT spoke with medical experts about how COVID-19 vaccines were designed so quickly without compromising safety.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

You can read more here, it expands on the points I already mentioned.

So essentially, the vaccine had already been in development for years, plus funding and the fact that their was a common interest led to this vaccine being produced so quickly.

It's been tested on various different subject groups and they're all safe.

If you're concerned, learn which vaccine you're getting and research some info about.

Knowledge leads to informed decisions.

I hope this comment has calmed you somewhat.

Thank you. I've been calm. I have to find reasons to get the vaccine because it's pretty much a certainty at this point. You know, reasons that work for me that aren't that I was forced into it.

 

[Black Rose Bunny]

I'm sorry but if you you want someone and their "friends and family in screaming agony" because they asked you to get the vaccine you need to seriously see a therapist and a psychiatrist, like holy fuck.

especially because you don't have any medical reason not to take it, you're literally putting other people's lives at a great risk, and are likely going to kill someone all because you read the vaccine is going to give you autism and microchip you or some other crazy variation.

 

[deflationary]

I have faith in my immune system. If it fails and I die, no big deal.

So what are you afraid of with the vaccine then?

 

[bea1974]

I was volunteering in my local vaccination centre since the week before Xmas until last week when I tried but failed to ctb and got detained in hospital (again).

We vaccinate over 2,000 people per week just in "my" centre alone.

A very small number of people have an allergic (anaphylactic) reaction, so we ask everybody to sit with us for 15 minutes for monitoring before they leave. 3 people so far have had the reaction. They were given an epipen injection promptly and walked out shortly afterwards smiling and thanking us.

With one of the two vaccines we've used so far there have been a very small number of people who have developed a rare type of blood clot - almost all women under 30 years old (nationally). The proportion of people experiencing this is actually smaller than the proportion in the general population who get blood clots, but nonetheless we are no longer giving that vaccine to women under 30 (they get the other one) just to be on the safe side.

I have lost people to Covid and it's a really horrible way to die, gasping for breath for hours/days on end, etc.

I also know people who've been left disabled long term by it ("Long Covid"). Also grim.

I disagree with your landlord's behaviour (and generally hate landlords anyway) as I believe strongly in consent, bodily autonomy and the right to choose.

If you are going to choose not to have the vaccine (which does impact others as well as yourself but is/should be your choice nonetheless) at least make it an informed decision, and weigh up the risks / pros and cons properly, please.

 

[Black Rose Bunny]

I was volunteering in my local vaccination centre since the week before Xmas until last week when I tried but failed to ctb and got detained in hospital (again).

We vaccinate over 2,000 people per week just in "my" centre alone.

A very small number of people have an allergic (anaphylactic) reaction, so we ask everybody to sit with us for 15 minutes for monitoring before they leave. 3 people so far have had the reaction. They were given an epipen injection promptly and walked out shortly afterwards smiling and thanking us.

With one of the two vaccines we've used so far there have been a very small number of people who have developed a rare type of blood clot - almost all women under 30 years old (nationally). The proportion of people experiencing this is actually smaller than the proportion in the general population who get blood clots, but nonetheless we are no longer giving that vaccine to women under 30 (they get the other one) just to be on the safe side.

I have lost people to Covid and it's a really horrible way to die, gasping for breath for hours/days on end, etc.

I also know people who've been left disabled long term by it ("Long Covid"). Also grim.

I disagree with your landlord's behaviour (and generally hate landlords anyway) as I believe strongly in consent, bodily autonomy and the right to choose.

If you are going to choose not to have the vaccine (which does impact others as well as yourself but is/should be your choice nonetheless) at least make it an informed decision, and weigh up the risks / pros and cons properly, please.

This

 

[noaccount]

Your landlord has no right to your medical records.
If you lie and say you got it, he can't ask for proof.
If you have texts or emails from him, asking you for information you legally have a right to privacy about, save those for court records.
If you have a lease, he would need a compelling reason to bring you to court to evict you before the end of the lease.
Try calling a legal aid group in your area - I have had to do this myself.

I basically have to get the vaccine ASAP for safety reasons, because my work brings me into so much contact with idiot jackass behavior - people who don't want to wear masks, don't want to follow social distancing guidelines, and who basically held a macho redneck disregard for basic safety measures or hygeine even BEFORE the pandemic.

 

[WhiteDespair]

I'm sorry but if you you want someone and their "friends and family in screaming agony" because they asked you to get the vaccine you need to seriously see a therapist and a psychiatrist, like holy fuck.

especially because you don't have any medical reason not to take it, you're literally putting other people's lives at a great risk, and are likely going to kill someone all because you read the vaccine is going to give you autism and microchip you or some other crazy variation.

It's called hyperbolic venting.

No, I don't belive the vaccines will give me autism or what have you.

No, I will likely not kill anyone either.

So what are you afraid of with the vaccine then?

I'm not afraid of the vaccine. I don't want it. The same way I don't want flu shots.

I was volunteering in my local vaccination centre since the week before Xmas until last week when I tried but failed to ctb and got detained in hospital (again).

We vaccinate over 2,000 people per week just in "my" centre alone.

A very small number of people have an allergic (anaphylactic) reaction, so we ask everybody to sit with us for 15 minutes for monitoring before they leave. 3 people so far have had the reaction. They were given an epipen injection promptly and walked out shortly afterwards smiling and thanking us.

With one of the two vaccines we've used so far there have been a very small number of people who have developed a rare type of blood clot - almost all women under 30 years old (nationally). The proportion of people experiencing this is actually smaller than the proportion in the general population who get blood clots, but nonetheless we are no longer giving that vaccine to women under 30 (they get the other one) just to be on the safe side.

I have lost people to Covid and it's a really horrible way to die, gasping for breath for hours/days on end, etc.

I also know people who've been left disabled long term by it ("Long Covid"). Also grim.

I disagree with your landlord's behaviour (and generally hate landlords anyway) as I believe strongly in consent, bodily autonomy and the right to choose.

If you are going to choose not to have the vaccine (which does impact others as well as yourself but is/should be your choice nonetheless) at least make it an informed decision, and weigh up the risks / pros and cons properly, please.

That's good information. Thank you.

Your landlord has no right to your medical records.
If you lie and say you got it, he can't ask for proof.
If you have texts or emails from him, asking you for information you legally have a right to privacy about, save those for court records.
If you have a lease, he would need a compelling reason to bring you to court to evict you before the end of the lease.
Try calling a legal aid group in your area - I have had to do this myself.

I basically have to get the vaccine ASAP for safety reasons, because my work brings me into so much contact with idiot jackass behavior - people who don't want to wear masks, don't want to follow social distancing guidelines, and who basically held a macho redneck disregard for basic safety measures or hygeine even BEFORE the pandemic.

Legally he probably can't. Doesn't mean he can't tell me I have to move out.

I have a feeling I would need to get it to be allowed back in the office. And, the way things are going, we'll need to show the damn thing to do anything in my damn state.

 

[Black Rose Bunny]

No, I will likely not kill anyone either.

It's likely you will by giving people covid and spreading covid. Are you really going to risk other people's lives because you don't like shots??

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

My mom and dad got the Pfizer one. No issues reported. They were my first concern about me contracting covid. Now I'm at ease and I might as well not get vaccinated.
But I will. If they hadeled it, I'm sure I can too. And I think it's the reasonable thing to do.

 

[WhiteDespair]

It's likely you will by giving people covid and spreading covid. Are you really going to risk other people's lives because you don't like shots??

Yes.

That said, I am getting the vaccine because I have no alternative but to get it.

 

[Celerity]

It's likely you will by giving people covid and spreading covid. Are you really going to risk other people's lives because you don't like shots??

The petty selfishness of people continues to amaze me.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Really? The vaccine isn't effective for you? That's a kick it the gut if you're forced or pressured into it.

Yes, research shows that vaccines lose their efficacy much faster in people with type 2 diabetes. Combined with the fact that this vaccine is already supposed to last shorter than the average vaccine then I'd probably have to take it round the clock just for it to even be effective. Besides, this also makes it unlikely that I'd ever be able to spread it without succumbing to the disease myself and dying before I can even leave the house which is fine with me.

Again I'm still refusing it because I'm a bitch who can't take the needles. In true misanthropic fashion I don't care who dies if it means my fears are placated.

I had someone try to tell me their coworker was also scared of needles but she had her husband with her to

 

[bea1974]

Yes, research shows that vaccines lose their efficacy much faster in people with type 2 diabetes.

Do you have a link to where this research has been published, please?
Out of general interest, but also because my mum has type 2 diabetes.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Do you have a link to where this research has been published, please?
Out of general interest, but also because my mum has type 2 diabetes.

Wish I could remember and find a link but it was from a year ago. I cant even remember what website it was from.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

I'm sorry for the pain and anxiety this is causing you, but you should get vaccinated whether you want it or not.

 

[WhiteDespair]

I'm sorry for the pain and anxiety this is causing you, but you should get vaccinated whether you want it or not.

Bad argument.

1. I'm sorry for the pain and anxiety this is causing you, but you shouldn't CtB whether you want to or not.

Or

2. My body. My choice.

Please pick one.

My appointment is for this afternoon so I am getting the vaccine even though I don't want it.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

You DO have the choice. I'm saying you should CHOOSE to get it.

You have the choice to never shower and not to wear shoes in public if you want. You could choose to throw all your trash straight out the window, or to take a shit on the pavement like a dog if you want to.

I would HOPE that you care enough about other people to extend them some basic courtesy. Cleaning up after yourself isn't mandatory, but you're an inconsiderate, anti-social jerk if you don't do it.

To be frank - grow up. Nobody wanted COVID or to have to get vaccinated but shit happens, and we all have to deal with it. Not getting vaccinated is irresponsible and puts others at unnecessary risk.

You'll be mildly ill for like a day and then its done. You take FAR bigger risks every day, just by crossing the street or getting in the shower.