Now_And_Then

Now_And_Then

If I am no good , then let me out
Jun 30, 2019
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Random post , but

My friend , who is also angry with this world , just said to me that I shouldn't kill my self because of society , other wise they will win


I do hate it when people say things like that
 
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HGL91

HGL91

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Jul 2, 2019
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Random post , but

My friend , who is also angry with this world , just said to me that I shouldn't kill my self because of society , other wise they will win


I do hate it when people say things like that

I hate that too! Lol Society will win? Uh, whatever. Society's culture always wins. And, humans are never satisfied. Even when we make changes in the world, like less war, or more LGBTQIA and disability rights, or equal opportunities for all skin colors, it's never enough and there will always be SOMETHING that people are unhappy about.

Humans constantly suffer from "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome.

Whether we choose to suicide or not, isn't gonna make a difference between society winning or losing.
 
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hejakdgiwbq

hejakdgiwbq

d e a d i n s i d e
Jul 29, 2019
45
Probably best to ignore his comment if you hate things like that, everybody eventually dies so what's wrong with someone speeding it up?
 
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Kikoo Loool

Kikoo Loool

Enlightened
Feb 25, 2019
1,128
That's pure nonsense. Why should we care of society once we'll be dead?
 
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Tristevie

Tristevie

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Jul 2, 2019
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It is up to us to look back at what society is asking and to ask us the right questions, am I to live in this system (?)

For me, if you stay a well-programmed robot that work consumes products and pays taxes, the society will win and not the other way around, my argument is not to influence you at CTB, but your friend's reasoning to keep you alive is a nonsense.
 
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restingspot

restingspot

Lucid Dreamer
May 30, 2019
224
That's the dumbest shit people say and I can only think of how I can just ctb to spite society because I refuse to bend the knee to their will any longer.
 
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Tally

Student
Apr 29, 2019
130
Random post , but

My friend , who is also angry with this world , just said to me that I shouldn't kill my self because of society , other wise they will win


I do hate it when people say things like that
Hi,

genuine question, what has society done to put it in a position to win or lose. Society is quite a general, pointless, and non existing entity. Is it more an aspect of life that your friend is talking about? Thanks for any thoughts
 
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Irishsteve88

Irishsteve88

To complete the ending
Jan 26, 2019
136
That's completely up to you. Go with what you feel is right and not the other way round.

Either way society will win. We slave to money and we die simple society something I dont want to be apart of no more! Thats just my opinion

Ohhh and all the other past and present crap I have to deal with lol
 
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lastNamePicked

lastNamePicked

Member
Apr 3, 2019
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what is 'society' ? it is an interconnected web of people that are all dependent on one another. Person X produces good Y and consumes good Z. Now, society runs into problems if good Z is no longer produced because the previous producer decided to leave the web. Society has a loss in quality which you may interpret as 'loosing'.
People which make up society need to realize that more investment into a fair distribution of resources is crucial if they want people to play along. Also, it is only natural for some to decide leaving anyways because they were brought up with very limited chances to begin with. Brandmarking the leaving ones with 'looser' is like the catholic church claiminig youre going to hell after death lol
 
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bLack_miLk

Filth.
Jul 30, 2019
15
Well, what do you hate about it?

There is some truth to that sentiment expressed in that statement... though it might be a superficial phrase just thrown at you.

As someone often been described as a punk and or weirdo and or intellectual (lol yeah...) ... I tend to share some part of this vague perspective.

Most people are just fucking dumb, and I am no exception, but that is just true. Ignorance, discrimination, simple-minded explanations for everything...blah, of course people who are not able or willing to fit into mainstream culture (doesnt actually matter which country or century you pick...)... are more likely to be driven to contemplate suicide - and thence commit it. Is that on purpose...? Probably not. No great masterplan behind it. Just cause and effect.

That though... does not mean that every person who has tried or is thinking about it or has done it, is a genius. Suicide is a democratic phenomen, and each case must be judged individually, but I do wanna present to you the following thesis: if you are a more empathic person, someone more reflected than the average hillbilly voting for "concentrations camps "on the mexican border - then, yeah, it 's kind of a fight. If you decide to end yourself, it 's fine, but yeah, it will not make the world a better place most likely, rather the contrary.

And of course, your friend might not have looked at it like this at all and just wants to light some fighting spirit inside you... but nevertheless, maybe the world has enough dipshits in it already, maybe its a bit better with you - not checking out forever.

Maybe it would be a win for the Trumps and twats of this world, if you ended your existence.

Maybe.

Take care.
 
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Mbound

Experienced
Apr 29, 2019
255
I mean, if you actually think about it, society does everything they possibly can to prevent us from killing ourselves, even going so far as to imprison us against our will in psych wards. I'm not saying anyone should consider ctbing as a way to "win" against society, but I don't see how succeeding at something people put in strenuous effort to make sure you fail at could be considered "losing."
 
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Conflicted Cat

Conflicted Cat

Experienced
May 23, 2019
256
How on EARTH is that letting them win? Continuing to live and be a slave...? Doesn't sound like winning to me.
 
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HGL91

HGL91

Warlock
Jul 2, 2019
720
I think suicide is a form of winning.

Look at how 5 NYPDs have died by suicide in the past 5 months. It's waking society up like "Oh, wow. I guess cops do have a limit to what they can handle. They're not just angry robots with guns."

Or how about the 35 employees of France Telecom who all died by suicide because they were being harassed?!? That woke people up too!
 
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Thanatos

Outsider
Mar 23, 2018
360
I think suicide is a form of winning.
Agreed. I'd say society is in a constant state of losing because it's too collective; people can win individually in their lives and that applies to everyone whether you live happily or not, dead or alive makes no difference imo
 
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Final Escape

I’ve been here too long
Jul 8, 2018
4,348
Agreed. I'd say society is in a constant state of losing because it's too collective; people can win individually in their lives and that applies to everyone whether you live happily or not, dead or alive makes no difference imo
Collectivism which is what the rulers push on the people of most countries is a terribly destructive ideology. Basically your natural god given rights as an individual can be sacrificed for the needs or desires of others not related to u, who u have no allegiance to. How insane is that? It's like what? I thought my needs were sort of important so I can have a decent quality of life, just as much as anyone else's. The needs of the group is abstract and the group doesn't exist, only individuals exist.
 
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Dawn0071111

Dawn0071111

Hungry Ghost
Dec 9, 2018
570
The way I see it, When it comes to dying, winning or losing doesn't matter because one is no longer aware of the benefits of winning nor the pang of losing.
 
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Crystal Labeija

Crystal Labeija

Experienced
Jun 3, 2019
216
How is society losing by having people in pain continue to be in pain?
 
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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,813
I'd say the reverse is also true, "if I don't kill myself, then society has won (as I've been a slave to them (the system) and they dictate how I life my life)."

So if I do kill myself, in a way, I have won, because I no longer have to put up with the highs and lows of society, or any bullshit really.
 
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Throwawaysoul

Throwawaysoul

Wizard
May 14, 2018
606
People fucking stupid, that's why I don't talk to anyone about CTB. Plus they'll snitch.
 
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not_a_robot

not_a_robot

"i hope the leaving is joyful, & never to return"
May 30, 2019
2,121
Dammit, I am trying to avoid logging in so I don't have to deal with any more stupid hypocritical pro-lifers here, but I had to come in just to say how much I love everyone posting in this thread.
OP, your friend is just using a dumb manipulative variation on "challenge/failure" psychology. It's the oldest trick in the book. Like telling you you're a coward for suicide, this is more of the same bs.
If someone wants to manipulate a human into doing something they don't want to do (in your case, live for society), the easiest way to do it is turn it into a challenge, and appeal to the person's fear of being seen as a failure. It's the kind of pre-school bull that only works on highly-suggestible automatons. Are you highly suggestible, so much that you will drag yourself through another fifty miserable years on this planet, just because your friend played a manipulative little headgame on you with this stupid challenge that you must continue living in order to "win" some stupid imaginary "battle" between you and the rest of the world?
Or do you have a mind of your own?
It's ok if you don't. No shame in just mindlessly doing what you're told. It's how 99% of people keep themselves alive.
 
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HGL91

HGL91

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Jul 2, 2019
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I'd say the reverse is also true, "if I don't kill myself, then society has won (as I've been a slave to them (the system) and they dictate how I life my life)."

So if I do kill myself, in a way, I have won, because I no longer have to put up with the highs and lows of society, or any bullshit really.

Cheers to that! :love:



@not_a_robot Where are the pro-lifers? Keep hearing bout them on here but not seeing them lol I always hear about drama and I never see it. O.o
 
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not_a_robot

not_a_robot

"i hope the leaving is joyful, & never to return"
May 30, 2019
2,121
Cheers to that! :love:



@not_a_robot Where are the pro-lifers? Keep hearing bout them on here but not seeing them lol I always hear about drama and I never see it. O.o
Oh, it's around.
I wanted to Love your post but apparently there's no love allowed on the site anymore.
What a thing to ban.
0_o?
 
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Pistolero114

Pistolero114

Veteran
Jun 25, 2019
261
Respectfully I disagree. To me the taking of one's own life is the absolute F**K you society.


You can't fire me; I QUIT!!!!!

Just a thought; didn't say it was a good one.
 
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LifeOver

LifeOver

Professional Suicide Attempter
Jul 23, 2019
116
Well if losing means I get to skip out on some decades of suffering in a cruel and meaningless world, that's the option I would go with.
 
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HGL91

HGL91

Warlock
Jul 2, 2019
720
Oh, it's around.
I wanted to Love your post but apparently there's no love allowed on the site anymore.
What a thing to ban.
0_o?

You can still love posts :) they just made it a heart instead of the heart eyed smiley.
 
not_a_robot

not_a_robot

"i hope the leaving is joyful, & never to return"
May 30, 2019
2,121
Cops kill themselves when their crimes are about to be exposed and they might finally be punished. Not because they are capable of remorse for being angry murderous robots.

Here's some pig-remorse for you. Watch the whole vid and see if you can find the "remorseful" part.

The "good cops" protect the bad cops, because there really are no "good cops". Sorry.
You can still love posts :) they just made it a heart instead of the heart eyed smiley.
Oh. then *I'm* the only one who is banned from Loving.And when you post a Heart at me I am only allowed to see a blank space.
Obviously someone thinks they're being very clever.
I think this is supposed to hurt my feelings, or something?
:haha::haha:
 
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Umbra

Umbra

Trans Girl
Mar 15, 2019
109
If anything it's a small loss for society because they lost a member of it. I think it's the only form of rebellion
 
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HGL91

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Jul 2, 2019
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@not_a_robot that's so weird! You sure it's not just an error on your computer or phone?