move to Belgium Netherlands for euthanasia?

[jizz676]

Is this an idea? moving there to obtain euthanasia for mental illness...after being treated there for some time...
Could my father...from Italy...receive his retirement money there?
Because Im not able to work...Im asocial.

 

[15dec]

I'm not an expert but I think euthanasia for mental illness is practically impossible to get. I can only think of one case where a woman was euthanised but I believe she went through an incredibly long process of being treated for several years and not responding to any form of treatment before she was allowed to die, and even then the process took a few months. I wouldn't try if I were you, but the decision is yours in the end. I'm not sure about your fathers retirement money but you could probably enquire about it

EDIT: just found an article on the subject and euthanasia for mental illness is possible in the Netherlands if the individual has 'unbearable suffering with no prospect of improvement' however I still stand by saying it will likely be a long process to prove there isn't any chance of improvement

 

[ddutch]

Here in holland they do euthanasia it for mental Illnesses. I am also in the procedure for euthanasia here.
But as from your point moving and going trough all that trouble. I dont think they will accept it that fast if you dont have a history of treatment. If you do have that I wonder how they will react.

I dont know how long the process is for becoming a Dutch or belgium citizen.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

Here in holland they do euthanasia it for mental Illnesses. I am also in the procedure for euthanasia here.
But as from your point moving and going trough all that trouble. I dont think they will accept it that fast if you dont have a history of treatment. If you do have that I wonder how they will react.

I dont know how long the process is for becoming a Dutch or belgium citizen.

Can you elaborate on the process or what it's been like I find this very interesting.

 

[Final Escape]

I wish I was in those countries, it's not fair. We are forced to suffer forever in the US. Unless u take matters into your own hands.

 

[Arak]

@jizz676 ,

Not as easy as you may think. 'some time' wouldn't cut it. More along the line of 'incurable, lifelong illness' and having exhausted all treatment options. In NL or Belgium.

 

[creationisdeath]

Here in holland they do euthanasia it for mental Illnesses. I am also in the procedure for euthanasia here.
But as from your point moving and going trough all that trouble. I dont think they will accept it that fast if you dont have a history of treatment. If you do have that I wonder how they will react.

I dont know how long the process is for becoming a Dutch or belgium citizen.

Usually this takes many years, speaking of at least 5, more likely 10+. (Unless you're a refugee or some other favored group)

Okay I looked it up for us, there the following 2 options:

You are 65 years of age or older. And you have lived immediately prior to the confirmation of Dutch citizenship uninterruptedly in the Kingdom of the Netherlands for at least 15 years with a valid residence permit or as a citizen of the EU/EEA or Switzerland.

or this:

• And have lived uninterruptedly in the Kingdom of the Netherlands for at least 5 years with a valid residence permit. You have always extended your residence permit on time. Your residence permit must be valid during the procedure. There are a number of exceptions to the 5-year rule.
  
• Immediately prior to the naturalisation application, you have a valid residence permit. This is a permanent residence permit or a temporary residence permit with a non-temporary purpose of stay. The residence permit is still valid at the time of the naturalisation ceremony.

• You are sufficiently integrated. This means that you can read, write, speak and understand Dutch. You show this with the civic integration diploma.
• In the previous 5 years you have not received a prison sentence, training or community service order or paid or had to pay a large fine either in the Netherlands or abroad. There must also be no ongoing criminal proceedings against you. With respect to a large fine, this is an amount of €810 or more. In the last 5 years you may not have received multiple fines of €405 or more, with a total amount of €1,215 or more either.

So that's a big no.

 

[Final Escape]

Usually this takes many years, speaking of at least 5, more likely 10+. (Unless you're a refugee or some other favored group)

Okay I looked it up for us, there the following 2 options:

You are 65 years of age or older. And you have lived immediately prior to the confirmation of Dutch citizenship uninterruptedly in the Kingdom of the Netherlands for at least 15 years with a valid residence permit or as a citizen of the EU/EEA or Switzerland.

or this:

• And have lived uninterruptedly in the Kingdom of the Netherlands for at least 5 years with a valid residence permit. You have always extended your residence permit on time. Your residence permit must be valid during the procedure. There are a number of exceptions to the 5-year rule.
• Immediately prior to the naturalisation application, you have a valid residence permit. This is a permanent residence permit or a temporary residence permit with a non-temporary purpose of stay. The residence permit is still valid at the time of the naturalisation ceremony.

• You are sufficiently integrated. This means that you can read, write, speak and understand Dutch. You show this with the civic integration diploma.
• In the previous 5 years you have not received a prison sentence, training or community service order or paid or had to pay a large fine either in the Netherlands or abroad. There must also be no ongoing criminal proceedings against you. With respect to a large fine, this is an amount of €810 or more. In the last 5 years you may not have received multiple fines of €405 or more, with a total amount of €1,215 or more either.

So that's a big no.

Well that sucks lol!

 

[311]

You probably wont get it but if you're from the EU you can move to Belgium. If you stay there for 5 years your get citizenship. Then you can try for euthanasia. It would probably be easier to just order N

 

[Idorus]

You don't have to be a dutch citizen, you only have to live here (residence permit)

From the offical NVVE site in the Netherlands:
(I did a google translate cause only in dutch on their site)

Can a non-Dutch person living in the Netherlands ask a doctor for euthanasia?
- Yes. For your application, just like everyone else, the due diligence of the euthanasia law applies

Can a non-Dutch citizen, living abroad, receive euthanasia in the Netherlands?
- A doctor who performs euthanasia with a patient must comply with due care requirements in the law. The doctor must know, among other things, the medical history of the patient. On this basis, he must be able to come to the conclusion that the patient is suffering without hope. The doctor must also determine that the patient has thought carefully about the request. And that the suffering for the patient is unbearable.
For a patient from abroad who makes a request for euthanasia, the doctor must also meet the due care requirements. For the doctor it can be more difficult to know the medical history. And to assess whether the situation of the patient meets the due care requirements.
The doctor may decide for himself whether he wants to deal with a request for euthanasia from a foreign patient. And decide what further he thinks necessary to investigate whether the request meets the due diligence requirements. For example, by consulting with care providers who have treated or treated the patient.

Can a non-Dutch citizen living in the Netherlands apply to the End of Life Clinic?
- Yes, you can, provided that the request for euthanasia has been rejected by your own doctor. Look for more information here.

Can a non-Dutch citizen, living abroad, make an application at the End-of-Life Clinic?
- No. In order to be eligible for euthanasia by a doctor from the End-of-Life Clinic, a request must previously have been rejected by your own doctor. The End-of-Life Clinic only handles applications from people living in the Netherlands

@ the link: https://www.nvve.nl/wat-euthanasie/de-euthanasiewet

 

[ddutch]

Can you elaborate on the process or what it's been like I find this very interesting.

Well i have signed my application in end of August. In October i had my first interview with the specialist there. That was on Thursday end of oktober weekend past and i called my psychologists to let her know how it went and how i felt. And she already had the report of the End of life clinic.
They approved me for the procedure of euthanasia so they let me know i will get a team for my process.

I am planning on calling them next Wednesday to see how my dossier is at the moment. Because last time I had contact they told me it could take a few months until they have time to startup the second part. That include more testing and interview to set everything on paper to justify my exit.

It shit waiting but i have a backup plan ready for when it takes to long. So waiting is the most painful now because I am done with life. But it is also hard because family and the few friends i have they dont understand why I want this. So now i just try not to talk about it anymore.

 

[ddutch]

Usually this takes many years, speaking of at least 5, more likely 10+. (Unless you're a refugee or some other favored group)

Okay I looked it up for us, there the following 2 options:

You are 65 years of age or older. And you have lived immediately prior to the confirmation of Dutch citizenship uninterruptedly in the Kingdom of the Netherlands for at least 15 years with a valid residence permit or as a citizen of the EU/EEA or Switzerland.

or this:

• And have lived uninterruptedly in the Kingdom of the Netherlands for at least 5 years with a valid residence permit. You have always extended your residence permit on time. Your residence permit must be valid during the procedure. There are a number of exceptions to the 5-year rule.
• Immediately prior to the naturalisation application, you have a valid residence permit. This is a permanent residence permit or a temporary residence permit with a non-temporary purpose of stay. The residence permit is still valid at the time of the naturalisation ceremony.

• You are sufficiently integrated. This means that you can read, write, speak and understand Dutch. You show this with the civic integration diploma.
• In the previous 5 years you have not received a prison sentence, training or community service order or paid or had to pay a large fine either in the Netherlands or abroad. There must also be no ongoing criminal proceedings against you. With respect to a large fine, this is an amount of €810 or more. In the last 5 years you may not have received multiple fines of €405 or more, with a total amount of €1,215 or more either.

So that's a big no.

5 to 10 years? You mean for people outside od holland??.
Because the most people have it in 1 year and that is from the reports they publishe after a euthanasia went trough. Some even after 4 or 6 months.

 

[311]

Well i have signed my application in end of August. In October i had my first interview with the specialist there. That was on Thursday end of oktober weekend past and i called my psychologists to let her know how it went and how i felt. And she already had the report of the End of life clinic.
They approved me for the procedure of euthanasia so they let me know i will get a team for my process.

I am planning on calling them next Wednesday to see how my dossier is at the moment. Because last time I had contact they told me it could take a few months until they have time to startup the second part. That include more testing and interview to set everything on paper to justify my exit.

It shit waiting but i have a backup plan ready for when it takes to long. So waiting is the most painful now because I am done with life. But it is also hard because family and the few friends i have they dont understand why I want this. So now i just try not to talk about it anymore.

Can I ask what you are suffering from?

 

[creationisdeath]

5 to 10 years? You mean for people outside od holland??.
Because the most people have it in 1 year and that is from the reports they publishe after a euthanasia went trough. Some even after 4 or 6 months.

No, read the statement please. Click the links for the official government site.

Anyone claiming otherwise is lying.

(Exceptions are the usual: marriage + relatives etc)

 

[creationisdeath]

You don't have to be a dutch citizen, you only have to live here (residence permit)

From the offical NVVE site in the Netherlands:
(I did a google translate cause only in dutch on their site)

Can a non-Dutch person living in the Netherlands ask a doctor for euthanasia?
- Yes. For your application, just like everyone else, the due diligence of the euthanasia law applies

Can a non-Dutch citizen, living abroad, receive euthanasia in the Netherlands?
- A doctor who performs euthanasia with a patient must comply with due care requirements in the law. The doctor must know, among other things, the medical history of the patient. On this basis, he must be able to come to the conclusion that the patient is suffering without hope. The doctor must also determine that the patient has thought carefully about the request. And that the suffering for the patient is unbearable.
For a patient from abroad who makes a request for euthanasia, the doctor must also meet the due care requirements. For the doctor it can be more difficult to know the medical history. And to assess whether the situation of the patient meets the due care requirements.
The doctor may decide for himself whether he wants to deal with a request for euthanasia from a foreign patient. And decide what further he thinks necessary to investigate whether the request meets the due diligence requirements. For example, by consulting with care providers who have treated or treated the patient.

Can a non-Dutch citizen living in the Netherlands apply to the End of Life Clinic?
- Yes, you can, provided that the request for euthanasia has been rejected by your own doctor. Look for more information here.

Can a non-Dutch citizen, living abroad, make an application at the End-of-Life Clinic?
- No. In order to be eligible for euthanasia by a doctor from the End-of-Life Clinic, a request must previously have been rejected by your own doctor. The End-of-Life Clinic only handles applications from people living in the Netherlands

@ the link: https://www.nvve.nl/wat-euthanasie/de-euthanasiewet

This might be an option for those rich enough to move to the Netherlands and go through all the pain of finding a doctor that will allow you to die (without a physical illness).

If you have the money to do that you might as well order N.

 

[ddutch]

No, read the statement please. Click the links for the official government site.

Anyone claiming otherwise is lying.

(Exceptions are the usual: marriage + relatives etc)

Hahahaahahah

When i read the reports of the agency it states the months that it took.

But i am dutch so i live in holland.
I AM in the process of euthanasia myself.
And saying that people lie that it takes 5 to 10 years is bullshit.

That is torture for people that are ill in either way mentally or fysically think about that waiting for 5 to 10 years

You are funny my god.

They told me them self this will take a few months.

Where are you from?

 

[creationisdeath]

Hahahaahahah

When i read the reports of the agency it states the months that it took.

But i am dutch so i live in holland.
I AM in the process of euthanasia myself.
And saying that people lie that it takes 5 to 10 years is bullshit.

That is torture for people that are ill in either way mentally or fysically think about that waiting for 5 to 10 years

You are funny my god.

They told me them self this will take a few months.

Where are you from?

Click. The. Official. Government. Link.

Also you seem to be confused and quoting the wrong posts. I am talking about acquiring citizenship because it was asked.

You are talking about euthanasia.

So read again.

 

[Wannadie]

I tried to get euthanasia in The Netherlands for mental illness, they didn't decline me but I have a whole list of therapies I have to try before they'll look at my case again. Have you tried every single possible therapy there is for your mental health condition(s)? Can you how that you're suffering is unbearably but most importantly has no chance of improving anymore and the latter one is very hard to prove. When I had my meetings at something called the "Levenseindekliniek" (Dutch euthanasia organisation) they told me that they had no doubt that my suffering was unbearable, but they weren't sure wether there was absolutely no chance of it getting better ever. Also because I'm very young for their standards (I'm 19). They tend to help people who are 40-50+. So now I have to attend DBT and when I finish that I can come back again, but I'm pretty sure I won't be accepted at least untill I'm 22 and I have been in different kinds of therapy and 2 year inpatient since I was 14. If you haven't had treatment yet I can guarantee you that you won't get euthanasia. And can you proof that there is not a single thing you can do anymore to improve your condition?

 

[Midnight]

I live in BE and i'm not even concidering signing up for assisted suicide. The requirements are extreme. I'm sure 95% or more of the users here wouldn't even qualify to start a procedure.

The idea of moving to a country for it is just wasted time and effort.

I figure if you don't have a terminal illness or decades of pshycological treatment behind you chances would be very slim.

This would also be difficult to hide from relatives and whatnot. Idk about the rest but i feel that one day when shit hits the fan hard enough i will want to go that same day ... Surpose that happens next week and you're left waiting months longer for the assisted procedure. Rather have the method at hand.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

I live in BE and i'm not even concidering singning up for assisted suicide. The requirements are extreme. I'm sure 95% or more of the users here wouldn't even qualify to start a procedure.

The idea of moving to a country for it is just wasted time and effort.

Agreed. Lived in NL for years. This is generally only reserved for terminal cancer patients etc. Yes a few mental health cases slip through the cracks each year but they're a tiny fraction compared to the broader picture. As such it's not much different to moving to Oregon or something.

 

[Idorus]

Idk about the rest but i feel that one day when shit hits the fan hard enough i will want to go that same day ...

Feel the same.

 

[TAW122]

I have considered moving overseas to another country just to access euthanasia. It was a fantasy at best though, because the amount of logistics, cost, and circumstances for that to happen is about as likely as trying to win the lottery IOW (in other words) not going to (likely) happen. This is because the cost of flying there (just one way, not round trip) from the US is already going to cost hundreds if not over 1k for a plane ticket. This isn't even considering lodging, food, travel expenses yet. Also, if one is to be a citizen of those places iirc (could be wrong) one would have to renounce his/her US citizenship to gain citizenship there too, plus it's a lengthy and long process. "One does not simply just become a Belgian/Dutch citizen."

So far this has not even taken into account the part about visiting and finding doctors and healthcare professionals in those countries yet. Once you managed to get there, then you must find the right doctors and professionals that will evaluate you before you can qualify for that option. In other words, if you aren't terminally ill or have chronic pain and illness that all other options are of no use, and have exhausted all treatment options, then you will be denied euthanasia. I suppose one could go to Switzerland and ctb, but you must be terminally ill or have a really severe disability in which you're unlikely to ever recover and have tried countless treatment options and solutions before you will be given the green light to ctb.

So tl;dr - moving to another country to get euthanasia isn't really easy and also you'd likely have to 1) Have lots of money, 2) Go through lots of rigorous evaulations and tests, and 3) gain approval as well as meet various criteria to even qualify. It's just easier to use the reliable methods on this site to ctb rather than going through a very long lengthy process in which you could be turned down at any stage.

I'd have more success taking a firearm, shooting my brainstem or my head off and dying than to travel overseas and hope that a medical professional will allow me to die peacefully.

 

[jizz676]

im in treatment since I was 17...ate rat poison at 17...now Im 31...took the drugs for 7 years not consecutively...made some months in institutions...many times in the hospital...I havent tried electroshock but I dont see the benefit of all these boring treatments.
I read " Libera me" of Lieve Thienpont..a Belgian psychiatrist...woman..shes famous...I think she states that its easier to obtain in Holland.
Which country would be better for me?
I sent some emails to nvve uilenspiegel leive...klinik...and the other organisations that help you die....have you the email contacts? I must check the book another time (Libera me).
The fact that scares me a bit is that all cases found about euthanasia for mental illness are about womens...I hope they help men too. I had Aurelia Browers in my friends on facebook...she died...she said I didnt have the requirements and was wasting my time contacting dutch and belgian psychiatrists. Maybe in Holland the church is not so powerful.
Thanks for the answers.

 

[jizz676]

i am not autonomous...i feel and am very weak....my parents do everything for me...I dress and wash me alone but all the rest no...I do nothing all day long...internet...play a bit soccer at home with a light ball...sleep...eating...sleep...always at home. Its not life. I dont have one good relationship with a person....I am always with my family...maybe these are my best relations...and not good at all...i feel always alone...I am boring to them...apatic....I do nothing

 

[jizz676]

I heard in Holland they want to give women free for mentally ill people...thats a nice thing too...I never had a woman...I am ugly and would not be able to have much fun but I like women and it would be cool anyway.
In the answers to my email...the dutch organisation wrote my English has to be good and fluent...thats a problem but I can improve it.

 

[hunter_lewis]

they want to give women free for the mentally ill? What do you mean?

 

[Didymus]

I heard in Holland they want to give women free for mentally ill people...thats a nice thing too....

Not for the women.

 

[jizz676]

maybe this is sexual assistance...it is already there and im wrong

 

[peachesNpoison]

Not for the women.

 

[jizz676]

Lieve Thienpont says Netherland is better for this cause and that you have not to live there or be citizen...you only must have a psychiatrist there that knows you good and follows you...this is what I remember I read in the book....but English must be fluent and I cant remember what they wrote me in the emails....
the book is from 2015 i think