Mother, Two Kids Dead in Apparent Suicide Plunge in From Northeastern University Parking Garage

[Jean4]

I feel bad for the kids. They were the victims

https://www.thedailybeast.com/woman...utside-northeastern-university-parking-garage

 

[Mloureiro]

NOOOOOOO! Take your own life, not your kids'! And yes, I am against abortion as well even though tax payers pay for it in my country. Buy pills, a damn condom pack

 

[Root]

Horrible

 

[Jean4]

NOOOOOOO! Take your own life, not your kids'! And yes, I am against anortion as well even though tax payers pay for ot in my country. Buy pills, a damn condom pack

Have to agree. The kids are innocent

 

[xXSarac3nSlay3rXx]

Yeah, I'm absolutely pro-choice, but one should never make that choice for someone else. Like Mloureiro said, people need to use contraceptives for fuck's sake. . .

By the way, no pun intended.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Poor kids. This is so sad..

 

[Carina]

I don't know what's worse with that... the kids going first (making me think she threw/pushed them off), and what terror did they experience?, and then she jumped, or that she took them with her in any sense.

 

[DeepSleep]

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.
All of you, myself included, would want it quickly - "click, bang, its over", you just dont want to pay this price. You want a free meal on a silver platter. I hate myself for feeling so.

 

[Berlin76]

Thats jusy terrible pulling your own children in to death.

 

[OneBigBlur]

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.
All of you, myself included, would want it quickly - "click, bang, its over", you just dont want to pay this price. You want a free meal on a silver platter. I hate myself for feeling so.

The children didn't have a choice in being born or dying, that's the problem here.

 

[Skyview]

I think we have to somehow rationalize the mothers psyche , what did she believe in ?, was she hoping that all of them would end up together again, in other words she didn't want to lose them . Motherly instincts are strong , she died with them , WHY ?

 

[Farmmaa]

A 15 month old and a four year old do NOT 'jump' off a building.

I'd be looking into the husband though. Your suicidal wife runs out of the house with your two small children … and you don't try to stop her, or at least follow her/go out looking for her ?

 

[Carina]

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.

Personally I'm just thinking of the kids emotional state at the time. I believe that when someone decides it's time, they should be able to go however they want, in the most peaceful way-to-them method possible.

Kids going first means that either the older saw the younger one go over first, or the older one went first, then younger, then the mom, not like a group-hug-fall-off thing where they only had seconds of possible fear. I can't imagine the possible horrors to the kids, or anyone who may have witnessed it happening.

I mean who knows why she took them with her. If she had no family, husband was abusive, and she didn't want them in foster care because maybe she had been in it (as an example)--then it could totally make sense why. She could've even done them first, knowing she couldn't live after, so she'd have the strength to go through with it herself.

Still though I can't stop but wondering about the kids last moments, and hoping they weren't really aware of what was happening. OK the younger one, probably no clue. 4 year old? That one's iffy.

And really given how the article put it. This was a double murder suicide really it seems. The kids didn't have a choice. They were forced to die.

 

[Farmmaa]

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.
All of you, myself included, would want it quickly - "click, bang, its over", you just dont want to pay this price. You want a free meal on a silver platter. I hate myself for feeling so.

Killig two young children is not suicide.
It is murder.
Huge frickin difference

 

[xXSarac3nSlay3rXx]

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.
All of you, myself included, would want it quickly - "click, bang, its over", you just dont want to pay this price. You want a free meal on a silver platter. I hate myself for feeling so.

I'm sorry, but I don't get where your coming from. Sure, I'm cool with suicide, but murder-suicide is despicable. Murder-suicide IS selfish. Does that make me a hypocrite?

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.
All of you, myself included, would want it quickly - "click, bang, its over", you just dont want to pay this price. You want a free meal on a silver platter. I hate myself for feeling so.

You're wrong. The kids didn't want to die.

 

[Fragile]

I have absolutely no respect for parents that murder their children when committing suicide, simply disgusting.

Dont be such hypocrites, guys. It was a small price to pay for the eternal freedom.
All of you, myself included, would want it quickly - "click, bang, its over", you just dont want to pay this price. You want a free meal on a silver platter. I hate myself for feeling so.

just because you don't like your life doesn't mean that others feel the same, some people actually want to live and these children died without their consent and never had a chance to form their own opinions on life.

this is no different from the way pro-lifers think. completely disregarding what others want with their lives.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

The children didn't have a choice in being born or dying, that's the problem here.

Agree with this. They didn't have a choice in either of them.

 

[Hunter100]

Just 4 words... what a selfish cunt
(Excuse the language but if this term was ever earned, I think this thing earned it)


You want to end your life? FINE! Do it. But to throw a 5 yr old and 15 month old off the upper level of a parking garage to the concrete below is beyond evil and calculating. She did that just to cause pain to the husband she got in a fight with...I hope she's in hell, if there is such a thing.

 

[Pan]

Just 4 words... what a selfish cunt


You want to end your life? FINE! Do it. But to throw a 5 yr old and 15 month old off the upper level of a parking garage to the concrete below is beyond evil and calculating. She did that just to cause pain to the husband she got in a fight with...I hope she's in hell, if there is such a thing.

I agree, even though I don't believe in hell; it does sound like revenge directed against husband.

 

[134340]

Sure, I'm cool with suicide, but murder-suicide is despicable. Murder-suicide IS selfish. Does that make me a hypocrite?

I agree with this 100%. These kids didn't even get a shot at a fulfilling life. I know there are probably several things we don't know about and justifications this woman had in her own head for doing it, but I can't see it. Kids are innocent, they don't know what's going on, and their lives were stolen before they had a chance to do anything really. It's heartbreaking.

 

[Egddios]

A surprising lot of contempt for the woman. She was (according to most recent reports which can easily be googled) most likely suffering some form of severe mental illness. One of the babies was 15 months old or something, could she have had postpartum depression? No, these are not "excuses" - the reality of the situation is the woman was at the very least deeply distressed and seemed to believe killing herself AND her children was better than whatever her current situation was. Maybe she believed she was saving them? I could speculate more, we all could, but I'm not going to say this woman is a monster.

What's sad to me, per usual, is how shit mental health care here is in the U.S.

Also, that parking garage is the same garage a student jumped from (and died) and I believe there was another suicide earlier in December? I was reading about this in the Boston subreddit and people were commenting how restricting access to the top of the garage, to deter suicides, is not addressing the actual "crisis".

 

[Hunter100]

A surprising lot of contempt for the woman. She was (according to most recent reports which can easily be googled) most likely suffering some form of severe mental illness. One of the babies was 15 months old or something, could she have had postpartum depression? No, these are not "excuses" - the reality of the situation is the woman was at the very least deeply distressed and seemed to believe killing herself AND her children was better than whatever her current situation was. Maybe she believed she was saving them? I could speculate more, we all could, but I'm not going to say this woman is a monster.

What's sad to me, per usual, is how shit mental health care here is in the U.S.

Also, that parking garage is the same garage a student jumped from (and died) and I believe there was another suicide earlier in December? I was reading about this in the Boston subreddit and people were commenting how restricting access to the top of the garage, to deter suicides, is not addressing the actual "crisis".

OR she was a selfish bitch and wanted to hurt her husband so badly that she took away his kids forever. Stop making excuses for terrible people just because she POSSIBLY had mental health issues. Having mental health problems does not give you a free pass to destroy innocent people's lives. At some point you are responsible for your own actions and you're own recovery or suicide. That does not give you the right to make that choice for other people. Including two innocent babies you brought into this world.

Her Husband called police as soon as she stormed out of the house with the children right after they were in a fight.
"there appears to have been a domestic dispute between the children's mother and father. Sources said Pascal took the children from their home, and the father called police to say that she appeared to be suicidal" sources also say they heard the children screaming and crying before she threw them off"

Nothing at all states this is from a failed mental health system or that she had been in treatment or even reached out for help! That is your input.

Facts : she was selfish and cruel and didn't give a shit about who she hurt while ending her life. All because she went on a rampage after a fight with her husband.

 

[Egddios]

OR she was a selfish bitch and wanted to hurt her husband so badly that she took away his kids forever. Stop making excuses for terrible people just because she POSSIBLY had mental health issues. Having mental health problems does not give you a free pass to destroy innocent people's lives. At some point you are responsible for your own actions and you're own recovery or suicide. That does not give you the right to make that choice for other people. Including two innocent babies you brought into this world.

Her Husband called police as soon as she stormed out of the house with the children right after they were in a fight.
"there appears to have been a domestic dispute between the children's mother and father. Sources said Pascal took the children from their home, and the father called police to say that she appeared to be suicidal" sources also say they heard the children screaming and crying before she threw them off"

Nothing at all states this is from a failed mental health system or that she had been in treatment or even reached out for help! That is your input.

Facts : she was selfish and cruel and didn't give a shit about who she hurt while ending her life. All because she went on a rampage after a fight with her husband.

You judge her saying she's a terrible person. I disagree. I'm not going to fight with you here; your comment overall came off angry and a tad misogynistic. I want no part in that.

We'll likely never know what was happening in her head/mind unless she kept detailed journals. I stand by my mention of the shit mental health care in the U.S., and want to add: the ignorance towards those with mental health issues and lack of empathy by the general population adds to the "crisis".

 

[pole]

You judge her saying she's a terrible person. I disagree. I'm not going to fight with you here; your comment overall came off angry and a tad misogynistic. I want no part in that.

We'll likely never know what was happening in her head/mind unless she kept detailed journals. I stand by my mention of the shit mental health care in the U.S., and want to add: the ignorance towards those with mental health issues and lack of empathy by the general population adds to the "crisis".

I understand wanting and trying to care and feel and empathize for someone who's in a negative and dark mental state of mind.

but it's hard to empathize with a person in specific situations like this, it just is. i wouldn't be able to empathize with let's say school shooters, mass-shooters, those that inflict pain and suffering upon others because of what there feeling inside as much as i would with those who don't do such things. i just can't period, and i feel as if the majority can't. Yeah MH services generally fail to provide. But the argument of just blindly empathizing for just about anyone just because they might've had some sort of MH problems as a sort of justification isn't valid in certain circumstances, for the purposes of empathizing and feeling sorry for someone in a contextual basis.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

She did not have to take her children with her.
End of story.

 

[TearyEyedQueen]

Those poor kids had so much ahead of them, they could have lead happy lives but their future was taken away from them before their life even really started.
Nothing excuses taking one's kids with them, or anyone non-suicidal really.

 

[NoDream]

I just want to say that we are animals. Many animal mothers kill off their children when in stress. This is common and an natural instinct. What we feel about it dosent matter.

 

[GinaIsReady]

Maybe the woman was very mentally ill. Maybe even psychotic. The holidays are an extremely stressful time for some (which can bring on episodes of psychosis, etc). Maybe she thought she was delivering her children from a horrible world and life (think of how bad hers must have been to do this). I know this view will be unpopular here, but I just feel some sort of compassion for her and her children even though what she ended-up doing is horrible. It's so extreme I can't help but feel she wasn't in her right mind. At least the children don't have to suffer through an existence in this shit hole world.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

I just want to say that we are animals. Many animal mothers kill off their children when in stress. This is common and an natural instinct. What we feel about it dosent matter.

Underneath it all, we're still animals