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Obviously some methods are relatively slow and have a high chance of brain damage. e.g carbon monoxide and hanging. Whilst other options like jumping from a high place or standing in front of a high speed train are quick with a low chance of brain damage.

Are there any other quick methods with a low chance of brain damage?
 
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Sn is a rather quick method and there's no brain damage if you fail. You can read more about this method in the SN Megathread.
There's also N, it's the most peaceful way to go (that's what I heard at least), but I don't know that much about it. I think there's a Megathread for N too.
 
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Sn is a rather quick method and there's no brain damage if you fail. You can read more about this method in the SN Megathread.
There's also N, it's the most peaceful way to go (that's what I heard at least), but I don't know that much about it. I think there's a Megathread for N too.
Agreed. SN, It is also my preferred method, sourcing all bits to make it happen at the moment. N is difficult to get hold of and expensive, very expensive.
 
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Obviously some methods are relatively slow and have a high chance of brain damage. e.g carbon monoxide and hanging. Whilst other options like jumping from a high place or standing in front of a high speed train are quick with a low chance of brain damage.

Are there any other quick methods with a low chance of brain damage?
There's Exit bag and inert gas megathread that will tell you about Nitrogen method. Nitrogen method is different from N method. N stands for Nembutal; i don't know much about N and have only begun to learn about them through recent threads in the forum. I guess Nitrogen method could be called N, but no one really does that because N is reserved for Nembutal. Nitrogen method is rather referred to as Inert Gas method or Exit bag method. You can find the link to "Exit bag and inert gas" megathread started by TiredHorse, in the thread "List of Resources" under "Sticky Threads" in Discussion forum.

Nitrogen method is less painful than CO method or hanging. But there's still a chance of brain damage if interrupted at wrong time (4-6 minutes without oxygen is when brain cells start dying). And also, it's a lot to prepare and understand about regulator and such. So in other words, Nitrogen method is not so simple procedure to set up. But it's one of the methods that i'm considering so far, alongside with SN (Sodium Nitrite) method. I did hear that SN method is a low risk in terms of brain damage in case of a failure.
 
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I always though CO was painless if done correctly, also i imagine Nitrogen to be painless as well, however there runs a concern with how much is enough 40 minutes is allot, is a standard 60Cuft tank enough to run 40 minutes. I am sure people here have read the report on the european man connecting a nitrogen tank to a full face diving mask with regulator. any thoughts?
 
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Anything that can kill you has the risk of brain damage if someone manages to "save" you. Planning is important.
 
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I always though CO was painless if done correctly, also i imagine Nitrogen to be painless as well, however there runs a concern with how much is enough 40 minutes is allot, is a standard 60Cuft tank enough to run 40 minutes. I am sure people here have read the report on the european man connecting a nitrogen tank to a full face diving mask with regulator. any thoughts?
i actually do not know much about CO method. I only imagine that it could be painful than Nitrogen method.

As for the 40 minutes issue, there is a introductory thread (called "Exit bag and inert gas megathread"), started by TiredHorse in the List of Resources under the Sticky Threads in the Discussion forum. I've begun reading that thread little by little couple days ago and there's lot of information.
From what i read, 40 cf (cubic feet) of nitrogen is enough for 40 minutes at a flow rate of 15 Lpm (liters per min)
 
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It's just that with jumping, you could have whatever damage if you fail. It's the most gruesome lottery along with gun in the mouth.
 
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I always though CO was painless if done correctly,

CO and even CO2 are painless in very high concentrations, actually. (Because you go unconscious before the unpleasant symptoms of those gases kick in.) In lower concentrations that you'd get from charcoal or car exhaust (without a catalytic converter) or common sources of CO/CO2 for suicide, it can be mildly to extremely unpleasant - with a decent concentration of CO, you will die, but will probably experience mild discomfort and a bit of a headache first, with CO2 in lower concentrations, you trigger the hypercapnic response and get the panicy sensation of suffocating to death, which is quite unpleasant. You generally don't find CO or CO2 in sufficient concentrations for a painless death, though it is possible to get both in high purity through industrial gas suppliers. But why bother if you can get a safer inert gas cheaper?

also i imagine Nitrogen to be painless as well, however there runs a concern with how much is enough 40 minutes is allot, is a standard 60Cuft tank enough to run 40 minutes.

So, the oft quoted 40 minutes figure is from the longest observed time to death using inert gas, back when the method was new and they were generally using masks rather than plastic bags. Masks almost never fit quite right or maintain a proper seal, leading to leakage, meaning a higher gas quantity expended and low concentrations of oxygen (probably) being inhaled to slow death down a bit. Generally, time needed to irreversible brain death with total hypoxia is 20 minutes, call it 30 to be safe, and 40 to be paranoid. If you don't mind being in a permanent vegetative state, 10 minutes should get you there, but that's not exactly recommended, for obvious reasons. (Not ideal, but I'd take it over being alive - as far as I'm concerned, once my brain goes, I'm gone too, if someone wants to hook my living dead body up to life support, I sure won't know or care, but that's more a personal philosophy thing.)

The original helium method used one or two 4.9 cu ft helium tanks, and the advice was that one should do, but use two to be safe, provided you can hook both up properly - some sources even recomended sticking to just one of those small tanks because of the large number of issues with the T junction connecting the two canisters leaking. The smallest industrial inert gas tank I've seen (in the US, anyway) is 20 cu ft, twice the volume of of the recommended helium tanks, back in the days before helium was widely adulterated with oxygen. Industrial gas containers are also compressed at higher pressures than disposable helium tanks used for blowing up party balloons, so you actually end up with a fair bit more gas than you'd find in an equal volume of disposable helium party balloons, meaning the "small" 20 cu ft nitrogen tank should be plenty... not that it can hurt to have more than you need. More gas means a higher flow rate is possible, so you give yourself plenty of time to die, while pumping enough gas into the bag that you'll be breathing pure, fresh nitrogen the whole time, no worries about the hypercapnic response or low concentrations of oxygen entering the bag and keeping you alive a little longer.

In any event, you should test. Always test, always practice (well, to the extent you can without risking an early bus ride).

I am sure people here have read the report on the european man connecting a nitrogen tank to a full face diving mask with regulator. any thoughts?

Less reliable than an exit bag, and way more expensive. If you have a lot of SCUBA or other airtight, full face mask experience, you can probably make it work reliably, but why bother? You can put together a reliable exit bag anyone can work flawlessly for under $10, or spend hundreds of dollars on an airtight full face mask and figure out how to use it. No brainer.
 
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The scuba mask or SCBA fireman mask would be a tight fit, as its designed to enter space with little to no air, also the fireman is positive pressure so if the seal get broken no air would enter. i have worn them before and had no issue with a seal, clean shaven would be ideal.

the bag over the head is like those emergency survival hoods connected to a compressed air tank, i get the idea, but also what if you fall over or get last minute survival instinct and pull the bag off after 8 minutes.

The bag just seems too risky, i would rather have a full face mask tightly secured, sleeping pills and tightly wrap my self up in a blanket before inhaling to activate the regulator and start breathing.

how is it less reliable? yes more expensive but i think more reliable, how many failures reported with the bag versus a full face mask? and at this point does money

only worry is will 60cuft tank be enough, also pressure most SCBA are designed for 2000PSI some for higher depends on the brand, but inert gas pressures are stored differently i assume? anyone know the PSI for inert gas in those types of tanks?
 
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It's just that with jumping, you could have whatever damage if you fail. It's the most gruesome lottery along with gun in the mouth.

Well, I was gonna jump from Beachy Head (cliff) near the lighthouse, which is notorious for being impossible to survive. About as tall as 'Walkie Talkie' skyscraper in London.

I was dead-set on carbon monoxide for a while & may still use it, but there's just so many things that could wrong.

I'd have to disagree with gun in the mouth being unreliable though. As long as you don't shoot upwards, it obliterates the brain stem. Dead. I just can't get a gun legally, living in England.
 
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Well, I was gonna jump from Beachy Head (cliff) near the lighthouse, which is notorious for being impossible to survive. About as tall as 'Walkie Talkie' skyscraper in London.

I was dead-set on carbon monoxide for a while & may still use it, but there's just so many things that could wrong.

I'd have to disagree with gun in the mouth being unreliable though. As long as you don't shoot upwards, it obliterates the brain stem. Dead. I just can't get a gun legally, living in England.

A friend's brother shot himself in the mouth. Suffice it to say he is alive and not well at all...
 
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What kind of condition is he in now?

It was years ago I last heard of him, before I lost contact with my friend. At that point he was still undergoing surgeries, because he didn't have most of his face.
 
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I was "saved" from accident.... carbon monoxide poisoning from antique car I used to have. It had no cat.converter, and I was in critical care for it- rushed by ambulance to emergency room....I can tell ya it was very unpleasant, sick, stumbling over, couldn't hardly breathe, ect... I now have breathing problems from it.
It was years ago I last heard of him, before I lost contact with my friend. At that point he was still undergoing surgeries, because he didn't have most of his face.
I was afraid that happened... the facial disfiguration- that is hell on earth!
 
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I was "saved" from accident.... carbon monoxide poisoning from antique car I used to have. It had no cat.converter, and I was in critical care for it- rushed by ambulance to emergency room....I can tell ya it was very unpleasant, sick, stumbling over, couldn't hardly breathe, ect... I now have breathing problems from it.

I'm sorry that happened... Going halfway there always sucks.
 
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The fact is that anything can happen, and so there is no such thing as a for sure "tickett out" from this planet.
I'm sorry that happened... Going halfway there always sucks.
Thanks for your kindness.

If there was such a thing as for sure exit method, I would do it .
 
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A friend's brother shot himself in the mouth. Suffice it to say he is alive and not well at all...

As I said, many people shoot upwards towards the brain when actually this will result in failure as it won't hit the brainstem. This is the main reason for failure & I'll go out on a limb to say that this is what he did. Although, the gun may have been old or otherwise severely underpowered ‍♂️ Who knows
 
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As I said, many people shoot upwards towards the brain when actually this will result in failure as it won't hit the brainstem. This is the main reason for failure & I'll go out on a limb to say that this is what he did. Although, the gun may have been old or otherwise severely underpowered ‍♂ Who knows

He was a young boy in the army and could not take being in the army anymore. Suppose he acted on impulse and missed. My heart breaks for him.
 
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As I said, many people shoot upwards towards the brain when actually this will result in failure as it won't hit the brainstem. This is the main reason for failure

No, it's more common to miss laterally than vertically when doing the gun-in-mouth thing. It's harder to do properly than most people here seem to think.
 
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most things will cause brain damage if it involves gasses. i have minor brain damage from being found too soon. so plan it out perfectly to avoid this
 
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most things will cause brain damage if it involves gasses. i have minor brain damage from being found too soon. so plan it out perfectly to avoid this

Basically every method has a risk of brain damage. You stop breathing, your heart stops, oxygen stops reaching the brain... and brain damage. No way around it.
 
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Basically every method has a risk of brain damage. You stop breathing, your heart stops, oxygen stops reaching the brain... and brain damage. No way around it.

I'd say, though, if you method stops the heart, at the time brain damage happens it has worked. As in, unless you are saved, the heart won't start up again and pull you back damaged. But if it is the brain directly effected, you could go halfway and be stuck. Makes any sense?
 
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If you want to be 100% sure of success, I would recommend combining two methods. For example, if you were planning on shooting yourself (or ODing) you could maybe do it while sitting in a full bathtub. If you happen to be one of the unlucky few that survives the bullet, the drowing should finish the job.
 
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No, it's more common to miss laterally than vertically when doing the gun-in-mouth thing. It's harder to do properly than most people here seem to think.
Eh, let's not kid ourselves. This is a gun in the mouth. A common trap is believing suicide is harder than it is, meaning we don't do it. We create obstacles where they don't exist. Yeh sure, it may fail, so often people take poison too, but it usually succeeds. Even when done quickly or under duress. e.g. The murderer Elliot Rodger shot himself with a glock whilst distracted by driving (away from police) and still killed himself instantly.
 
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CO poisoning leaves you with delayed-onset permanent brain damage.
 
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Agreed. SN, It is also my preferred method, sourcing all bits to make it happen at the moment. N is difficult to get hold of and expensive, very expensive.
Jim did you find something else to take instead of metro?
 
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Yes, there is a gel available in Germany caller Riopan. It comes is small sachets, it cures all sort of stomach and ingestion upsets, it tastes a bit like coffee, but it helps. I took it when I had sort of an upset, don't know what I have eaten, this went on for weeks, the I googled the problem and purchased Riopan, problem gone almost half an hour later. It is not expensive either and totally legal. Just check the allergy advice of it.
 

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