Cashewmilk

Cashewmilk

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I doubt this will work. Does anyone here have any knowledge of opiates and opiate tolerance? I have over 1400 mgs of methadone (140 mls of methadose, it's a concentrated version of methadone). I have a huge opiate tolerance that spans over a decade. I take on average 80mg or 8ml a day of methadone, PLUS I smoke fentanyl and heroin mixed powder everyday, about 0.3 grams per day. Do you think it'll work or nah, probably just put me into a deep sleep for a few days? I would take it after smoking as much fent as I could get, possibly on a payday or something.

Maybe I could stop taking it for a few days first, as long as I can without being in pain, then take it? That's usually how ODs happen, people relapsing or without it for some time and taking the same amount as their previous tolerance. Hmmm...

I should add, I am NOT doing this anytime soon so don't worry. Just planning for the near future.
 
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No idea when it comes to the amounts, tolerances etc but I've a friend, Heroin addict, and he tried to ctb with 3 weeks worth of saved up Meth, and he just woke up - not sure how long he slept, that didn't get mentioned. Just he'd taken 3 weeks worth of whatever dose he was on. That was one of the last times I spoke to him.

Doesn't sound like a reliable method going by that as I'm sure the 3 week equivalent in Heroin would kill 10 men, but I'm no expert on Heroin/Meth despite having an Oxy addiction in the past, pretty much Heroin in pill form, but hey it's socially accepted as long as the government get their cut of the pie right.

Heroin was going to be my out method, I figured I wouldn't need more than £100 worth to down me for good, but I'd never find it. Can't really go out asking for smack randomly without getting mugged or arrested.
 
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No idea when it comes to the amounts, tolerances etc but I've a friend, Heroin addict, and he tried to ctb with 3 weeks worth of saved up Meth, and he just woke up - not sure how long he slept, that didn't get mentioned. Just he'd taken 3 weeks worth of whatever dose he was on. That was one of the last times I spoke to him.

Doesn't sound like a reliable method going by that as I'm sure the 3 week equivalent in Heroin would kill 10 men, but I'm no expert on Heroin/Meth despite having an Oxy addiction in the past, pretty much Heroin in pill form, but hey it's socially accepted as long as the government get their cut of the pie right.

Heroin was going to be my out method, I figured I wouldn't need more than £100 worth to down me for good, but I'd never find it. Can't really go out asking for smack randomly without getting mugged or arrested.

You aren't the first person I've heard say that, wanting to CTB with heroin or fent but can't find it. I would never suggest go looking for it, I tried that once. I was in a different city and had no contacts down there, so I had to literally go to the skid row, because it was literally 2 blocks away from where I was. And I was completely out of place, everyone could tell I didn't belong there, they thought I was lost. I was dressed up because I was doing sex work nearby in an apartment, and I was younger this was like 9 years ago, right before my addiction chewed me up, so I still looked healthy. Some people tried to follow me, I kept asking around for drugs. Then I got preyed on by scammers, they sold me fake stuff. Finally another junkie met up with me and he felt bad that I got scammed, and he pointed me to a proper real dealer in exchange for buying him drugs, lol, and that was a success. I was all alone too, a young girl, but I guess because of where I'm from and what I've been through, I'm not that far off from these people. I grew up in a normal house-hold with normal parents, until my dad started using drugs when I was about 13 (he used before but I was too small to know), and my older sister. My older sister is the one who introduced me to the drug and gang world, and even my male cousins. I was only 14 when I started using drugs recreationally. I was barely 16 when I started hanging out with gangsters. And since then I've just been completely sucked in to the criminal lifestyle, it's totally normal to me I'm completely desensitized to it, all my boyfriends were drug dealers, all of them have been to jail or arrested, always afraid of police. We're always looking out for cops, scared of them and worried about getting caught, story of my life. It's really hard to get away from it, it's a huge culture in my town, in the minority groups all across my country - I'm a minority, I'm also married into it through a family member, and I live around gang activity daily. But today, I would never just go searching for drugs on my own, even in my own city. Even though I'm a drug user, I can only get stuff from close contacts. I'm terrified of just calling a random dial a dope number. It must suck to not be able to get something that is so easily distributed and spoken about, I would hate that. I can't get N because I can't afford it!

I guess the only place I would try is going to a club or a party, or an afterhours, where they do MDMA and ketamine and stuff like that, and party with them for a while, and ask for their contacts and get them to vouch for you, and then go from there, they may not have heroin so you'd have to ask them to give you a contact who does. But yeah, you always have to make friends first.
 
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May 4, 2020
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You aren't the first person I've heard say that, wanting to CTB with heroin or fent but can't find it. I would never suggest go looking for it, I tried that once. I was in a different city and had no contacts down there, so I had to literally go to the skid row, because it was literally 2 blocks away from where I was. And I was completely out of place, everyone could tell I didn't belong there, they thought I was lost. I was dressed up because I was doing sex work nearby in an apartment, and I was younger this was like 9 years ago, right before my addiction chewed me up, so I still looked healthy. Some people tried to follow me, I kept asking around for drugs. Then I got preyed on by scammers, they sold me fake stuff. Finally another junkie met up with me and he felt bad that I got scammed, and he pointed me to a proper real dealer in exchange for buying him drugs, lol, and that was a success. I was all alone too, a young girl, but I guess because of where I'm from and what I've been through, I'm not that far off from these people. I grew up in a normal house-hold with normal parents, until my dad started using drugs when I was about 13 (he used before but I was too small to know), and my older sister. My older sister is the one who introduced me to the drug and gang world, and even my male cousins. I was only 14 when I started using drugs recreationally. I was barely 16 when I started hanging out with gangsters. And since then I've just been completely sucked in to the criminal lifestyle, it's totally normal to me I'm completely desensitized to it, all my boyfriends were drug dealers, all of them have been to jail or arrested, always afraid of police. We're always looking out for cops, scared of them and worried about getting caught, story of my life. It's really hard to get away from it, it's a huge culture in my town, in the minority groups all across my country - I'm a minority, I'm also married into it through a family member, and I live around gang activity daily. But today, I would never just go searching for drugs on my own, even in my own city. Even though I'm a drug user, I can only get stuff from close contacts. I'm terrified of just calling a random dial a dope number. It must suck to not be able to get something that is so easily distributed and spoken about, I would hate that. I can't get N because I can't afford it!

I guess the only place I would try is going to a club or a party, or an afterhours, where they do MDMA and ketamine and stuff like that, and party with them for a while, and ask for their contacts and get them to vouch for you, and then go from there, they may not have heroin so you'd have to ask them to give you a contact who does. But yeah, you always have to make friends first.

The funny thing is, I know a few dealers - just not heroin but I'm sure they know a guy who knows a guy, and I know a few heroin users - but they all know me well enough I'd never touch heroin, so if I went to any of them asking for a large amount they'd have me sussed. I can't even pretend it's for someone else cos' each of them know each other, the dealers know I'd never be buying for my mates, and they'd know the mates never have enough money to buy in bulk, and if I asked the mates to go with the money they'd instantly click on. I'm not even sure if it's readily available now anyway, I can only imagine how the lockdown has totally screwed up the drug trade, hard enough to courier it when there's 1,000s of cars on the road, never mind when everyone is being observed and asked where they're going. I'm only a casual user of party prescriptions so I'm pretty much out the loop now, no real call for buying E or Coke when you're at home 24/7, although I could throw one hell of a one man party safe in the knowledge nobody would turn up to steal my beers and fall asleep on the toilet.

I'm glad you got out of your little drug search safely, it could have gone a hell of a lot worse for you, especially as a woman.
 
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I got double more the amount of methadone, I might get more... I think it lasts a year but I'm not sure. I was thinking if I quit using for a few days prior, methadone and fentanyl/heroin, or maybe it won't... does anyone else know anything about this? I'm also keeping the methadone for an emergency, so it's not all going to waste.
 
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Are you saying you now have 2800mgs of methadone? Regardless of 1400mgs vs 2800mgs, I don't think you have access to the quantity of other mu agonists that would break through that dosage and have an additional effect. It won't cause an antagonistic reaction, I just doubt it would do much. Other items can be synergistic with opiate induced respiratory depression, such as alcohol or benzos to name a few.

I'm going to make a few assumptions about your daily opiate consumption, and that it is a lot. Who knows how much fentanyl, fentanyl analogs, and heroin you are actually consuming in ~300mgs of powder. It is obviously a great deal if it is easily breaking through.

I've seen some insane daily methadone doses (400mgs per day or more), so tolerance can certainly be up there. You might consider a few th8ngs:
1. I doubt you will be able to stop for a few days. The withdrawal even after 48 hours will not be pretty and by not pretty I mean just the beginning of hell
2. If for whatever reason you are found and narcan'd, what then? Are you then go8ng to have to go through withdrawl alone?
3. Have you looked in to inert gas? Drink methadone and then bag?
 
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Are you saying you now have 2800mgs of methadone? Regardless of 1400mgs vs 2800mgs, I don't think you have access to the quantity of other mu agonists that would break through that dosage and have an additional effect. It won't cause an antagonistic reaction, I just doubt it would do much. Other items can be synergistic with opiate induced respiratory depression, such as alcohol or benzos to name a few.

I'm going to make a few assumptions about your daily opiate consumption, and that it is a lot. Who knows how much fentanyl, fentanyl analogs, and heroin you are actually consuming in ~300mgs of powder. It is obviously a great deal if it is easily breaking through.

I've seen some insane daily methadone doses (400mgs per day or more), so tolerance can certainly be up there. You might consider a few th8ngs:
1. I doubt you will be able to stop for a few days. The withdrawal even after 48 hours will not be pretty and by not pretty I mean just the beginning of hell
2. If for whatever reason you are found and narcan'd, what then? Are you then go8ng to have to go through withdrawl alone?
3. Have you looked in to inert gas? Drink methadone and then bag?
Thanks for replying. It's hard to say how much I do. I take 140mg every second or sometimes 3rd, I forget sometimes. But with the fent/H smoking, I do 2 to 3 points per day everyday, a point is 0.1 grams, and I smoke it on tin foil. I haven't gone through withdrawal in 3 years... I remember how horrible it was. I'd probably go as much as I can, withdrawal is horrible with uncertainty and anxiety about not being able to access the drug, this could be a different situation... who knows. I could test it out.

I'm not exactly sure how much I'll have, but it's probably double or more than what I initially posted. I will probably get more. I don't dose everyday because I still use, and methadone has helped me so much I don't want to totally ruin its effect. For example if I had no access to drugs for a few days, I could dip into my methadone stash and I'd be OK, or if I couldn't get access to methadone like many people are during this pandemic, I could wean myself off it and use street drugs instead, until I can get back on it, it would be painful, but I've been through horrible withdrawal, for some reason my withdrawal is so severe it could be because I was iron anemic. I have gone through precipitated withdrawal with suboxone too, god that was horrible I remember harassing my family members for money to buy heroin, and waiting for the damn dealer to arrive. Thank God I don't do that anymore, I have a more stable source now no more meeting dealers. Opiate addiction is pure hell.
Oh I forgot to add, I haven't looked into inert gas, I can't access gas where I am, I've looked into helium many years ago but can't access pure helium. Can you point me to more info :halo:
 
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Ar or N2 gas are also used (welding or beer brewing supplies). I don't know what country you are in.
 
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