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[L'absent]

Introduction to the Mega Thread on the GPL

Method Since there is no in-depth thread on the LPG method, I decided to open one to discuss both the technical aspects and those related to the method itself. This space is designed to collect detailed and precise information, with the aim of deepening knowledge on this topic. Anyone who wants to contribute technical details or experiences related to this topic is welcome. However, I invite everyone to maintain focus and avoid unnecessary controversy. My intent is exclusively informative and does not in any way want to encourage self-harming actions.

Body reaction to LPG concentrations

When LPG is inhaled in a closed environment, its effect on the body varies depending on the concentration present in the air. The main mechanism is the replacement of oxygen with gas, leading to hypoxia, i.e. a reduction in the supply of oxygen to the tissues.

1. Low concentrations of LPG (up to 10%)

Effects on the body:

No immediate effect evident.

Feeling unwell or uncomfortable may occur in the long term, but serious damage is unlikely.

Risk: Minimal for health, but the gradual saturation may go unnoticed without odorants (usually present in the gas.)

2. Moderate concentrations of LPG (10-30%)
Effects on the body:

Mild hypoxia: You begin to feel a lack of air.

Initial symptoms: Headache, dizziness, tiredness, difficulty concentrating.
Sense of confusion: The alteration of oxygen levels in the blood begins to compromise cognitive functions.
Risk: If nothing is done, the risk increases rapidly with exposure time.

3. High concentrations of LPG (30-50%)

Effects on the body:

Severe hypoxia: Critical decrease in oxygen available in the lungs.

Obvious symptoms:

Severe difficulty breathing.

Nausea and vomiting.

Loss of balance and motor difficulties.

Confusional state and intense drowsiness.

Decrease in consciousness: Possible fainting.

Risk: Severe, with possible compromise of vital organs such as the brain.

4. Critical concentrations of LPG (50-70% and above)

Effects on the body:

Lethal hypoxia: Insufficient concentration of oxygen to keep tissues alive.

Terminal symptoms:

Respiratory arrest.

Immediate loss of consciousness.

Irreversible damage to the brain after a few minutes of exposure (due to lack of oxygen).

Risk: Death within minutes without intervention.

Timing of the lethal effect

Critical concentration (>50%):

Fainting: 1-2 minutes.

Respiratory arrest: 3-5 minutes.

Irreversible brain damage: 5-10 minutes.

A concentration of LPG above 50% in the air (reducing oxygen below 10-12%) leads to certain death within minutes.

Indicative times

Immediate saturation (>70% of LPG): Loss of consciousness in 15-30 seconds.

High saturation (50-70%): Loss of consciousness in 1-2 minutes.

 

[lvkhan]

Looks like a great method how is it done?

 

[babouflo201223]

Introduction au Mega Thread sur la GPL

Méthode Comme il n'existe pas de fil de discussion approfondi sur la méthode LPG, j'ai décidé d'en ouvrir un pour discuter à la fois des aspects techniques et de ceux liés à la méthode elle-même. Cet espace est conçu pour recueillir des informations détaillées et précises, dans le but d'approfondir les connaissances sur ce sujet. Toute personne souhaitant apporter des détails techniques ou des expériences liées à ce sujet est la bienvenue. Cependant, j'invite tout le monde à rester concentré et à éviter toute controverse inutile. Mon intention est exclusivement informative et ne souhaite en aucun cas encourager des actions autodestructrices.

Réaction de l'organisme aux concentrations de GPL

Lorsque le GPL est inhalé dans un environnement fermé, son effet sur l'organisme varie en fonction de la concentration présente dans l'air. Le mécanisme principal est le remplacement de l'oxygène par du gaz, ce qui entraîne une hypoxie, c'est-à-dire une diminution de l'apport d'oxygène aux tissus.

1. Faibles concentrations de GPL (jusqu'à 10 %)

Effets sur le corps :

Aucun effet immédiat évident.

Une sensation de malaise ou d'inconfort peut survenir à long terme, mais des dommages graves sont peu probables.

Risque : Minime pour la santé, mais la saturation progressive peut passer inaperçue sans odorants (généralement présents dans le gaz).

2. Concentrations modérées de GPL (10-30 %)
Effets sur le corps :

Hypoxie légère : vous commencez à ressentir un manque d'air.

Symptômes initiaux : Maux de tête, étourdissements, fatigue, difficulté de concentration.
Sentiment de confusion : L'altération des niveaux d'oxygène dans le sang commence à compromettre les fonctions cognitives.
Risque : Si rien n'est fait, le risque augmente rapidement avec le temps d'exposition.

3. Concentrations élevées de GPL (30-50 %)

Effets sur le corps :

Hypoxie sévère : Diminution critique de l'oxygène disponible dans les poumons.

Symptômes évidents :

Difficulté respiratoire grave.

Nausées et vomissements.

Perte d'équilibre et difficultés motrices.

État confusionnel et somnolence intense.

Diminution de la conscience : évanouissement possible.

Risque : grave, avec possibilité de compromission d'organes vitaux tels que le cerveau.

4. Concentrations critiques de GPL (50-70 % et plus)

Effets sur le corps :

Hypoxie létale : concentration insuffisante d'oxygène pour maintenir les tissus en vie.

Symptômes terminaux :

Arrêt respiratoire.

Perte de connaissance immédiate.

Lésions cérébrales irréversibles après quelques minutes d'exposition (par manque d'oxygène).

Risque : Décès en quelques minutes sans intervention.

Moment de l'effet létal

Concentration critique (>50%) :

Évanouissement : 1 à 2 minutes.

Arrêt respiratoire : 3 à 5 minutes.

Lésions cérébrales irréversibles : 5 à 10 minutes.

Une concentration de GPL supérieure à 50 % dans l'air (réduisant l'oxygène en dessous de 10-12 %) conduit à une mort certaine en quelques minutes.

Horaires indicatifs

Saturation immédiate (>70% de GPL) : Perte de connaissance en 15-30 secondes.

Saturation élevée (50-70%) : Perte de connaissance en 1 à 2 minutes.

Completely soft and painless or risks to be difficult and painful, that's the question, always my question.

 

[L'absent]

Completely soft and painless or risks to be difficult and painful, that's the question, always my question.

With an LPG concentration of 75% or higher, the initial discomfort could last on average 5-15 seconds before loss of consciousness and the following may be felt: shortness of breath, mental confusion, dizziness, tachycardia.
GPL is not a toxic gas and acts as an asphyxiant (similar to when you put a bag over your head), causing damage primarily due to the lack of oxygen. When the air is saturated with GPL, the oxygen available for breathing decreases, causing asphyxia. If the exposure is rapid and intense, the person may lose consciousness, and if not rescued, death occurs due to respiratory failure. However, since GPL does not have a direct toxic chemical effect on the organs, permanent damage is rare unless the exposure is particularly long and severe. If the person is not rescued, death is inevitable, but there is no poisoning of the organs. In this case, the lack of oxygen leads to death by asphyxia, a physical mechanism.

Carbon monoxide (CO), on the other hand, is a highly toxic gas that causes direct chemical damage. When CO is inhaled, it binds with hemoglobin in the blood, forming carboxyhemoglobin, which prevents hemoglobin from transporting oxygen to the tissues. This blockage of oxygen transport causes an oxygen deficiency (hypoxia) throughout the body. The hypoxia caused by CO is a chemical mechanism that interferes with the biological functioning of tissues and organs.

Unlike GPL, which causes damage only due to the lack of oxygen, carbon monoxide causes direct chemical damage to vital organs. The lack of oxygen in the blood due to CO rapidly and irreversibly damages many organs, including the brain, heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, pancreas, spleen, and muscles. Exposure to CO can cause permanent damage even with brief exposure due to the intense hypoxia that prevents cells from functioning properly. Moreover, the intoxicated organism from CO does not recover easily, even with medical intervention. CO causes chemical damage that cannot be corrected simply by restoring oxygen levels. This chemical mechanism makes carbon monoxide much more dangerous than GPL, as it does not just cause a lack of oxygen, but triggers a cycle of systemic damage to vital organs, compromising their functioning at a cellular level.

In summary, while GPL acts physically by reducing oxygen in the air and causing asphyxia, carbon monoxide is chemically toxic, directly damaging the organs and causing permanent effects on many vital functions, even with brief exposure. Its greater danger lies in the fact that it interferes with the vital biological processes of the body, causing irreversible damage even in a short amount of time.

 

[babouflo201223]

Avec une concentration de GPL de 75 % ou plus, l'inconfort initial peut durer en moyenne 5 à 15 secondes avant la perte de connaissance et les symptômes suivants peuvent être ressentis : essoufflement, confusion mentale, étourdissements, tachycardie.
Le GPL n'est pas un gaz toxique et agit comme un asphyxiant (comme si vous mettiez un sac sur votre tête), provoquant des dommages principalement dus au manque d'oxygène. Lorsque l'air est saturé de GPL, l'oxygène disponible pour la respiration diminue, provoquant une asphyxie. Si l'exposition est rapide et intense, la personne peut perdre connaissance et, si elle n'est pas secourue, la mort survient par insuffisance respiratoire. Cependant, comme le GPL n'a pas d'effet chimique toxique direct sur les organes, les dommages permanents sont rares, sauf si l'exposition est particulièrement longue et grave. Si la personne n'est pas secourue, la mort est inévitable, mais il n'y a pas d'empoisonnement des organes. Dans ce cas, le manque d'oxygène entraîne la mort par asphyxie, un mécanisme physique.

Le monoxyde de carbone (CO), en revanche, est un gaz hautement toxique qui provoque des dommages chimiques directs. Lorsque le CO est inhalé, il se lie à l'hémoglobine dans le sang, formant ainsi de la carboxyhémoglobine, qui empêche l'hémoglobine de transporter l'oxygène vers les tissus. Ce blocage du transport de l'oxygène provoque une carence en oxygène (hypoxie) dans tout le corps. L'hypoxie provoquée par le CO est un mécanisme chimique qui perturbe le fonctionnement biologique des tissus et des organes.

Contrairement au GPL, qui ne provoque des dommages que par manque d'oxygène, le monoxyde de carbone provoque des dommages chimiques directs aux organes vitaux. Le manque d'oxygène dans le sang dû au CO endommage rapidement et de manière irréversible de nombreux organes, notamment le cerveau, le cœur, les reins, le foie, les poumons, le pancréas, la rate et les muscles. L'exposition au CO peut causer des dommages permanents même en cas d'exposition brève en raison de l'hypoxie intense qui empêche les cellules de fonctionner correctement. De plus, l'organisme intoxiqué par le CO ne se rétablit pas facilement, même avec une intervention médicale. Le CO provoque des dommages chimiques qui ne peuvent pas être corrigés simplement en rétablissant les niveaux d'oxygène. Ce mécanisme chimique rend le monoxyde de carbone beaucoup plus dangereux que le GPL, car il ne provoque pas seulement un manque d'oxygène, mais déclenche un cycle de dommages systémiques aux organes vitaux, compromettant leur fonctionnement au niveau cellulaire.

En résumé, alors que le GPL agit physiquement en réduisant l'oxygène de l'air et en provoquant l'asphyxie, le monoxyde de carbone est chimiquement toxique, endommageant directement les organes et provoquant des effets permanents sur de nombreuses fonctions vitales, même en cas d'exposition de courte durée. Son plus grand danger réside dans le fait qu'il interfère avec les processus biologiques vitaux de l'organisme, provoquant des dommages irréversibles même en peu de temps.

Same effects as those with GPL with propane alone or butane alone ?

 

[L'absent]

Same effects as those with GPL with propane alone or butane alone ?

Yes, propane, butane and LPG act similarly because LPG is a mixture of propane and butane. All three are asphyxiating gases, meaning that when inhaled in large quantities, they reduce the concentration of oxygen in the air, causing asphyxiation. This can lead to loss of consciousness and, if timely help is not provided, to death due to respiratory failure.

 

[lvkhan]

Would cylinder turned on in a car be enough to kill someone

 

[L'absent]

Would cylinder turned on in a car be enough to kill someone

Three open LPG cylinders in a closed car would be more than sufficient to create a lethal concentration of gas, well exceeding 75% of the vehicle's internal volume. A single 15 kg cylinder can already saturate a typical car with a 3 m³ internal volume. With three cylinders, the gas would quickly accumulate, almost entirely displacing oxygen and making the environment lethal within minutes.

To avoid any discomfort you can proceed like this.

When a person enters a car with an oxygen mask, closes all windows, and opens all gas cylinders, the gas saturates the air, significantly reducing the oxygen levels. After about five minutes, they remove the mask, and oxygen levels drop drastically, causing dizziness, confusion, and difficulty breathing. Loss of consciousness happens within seconds, and death by asphyxiation occurs within 5-10 minutes. There is no intense pain because the brain cannot process it due to the lack of oxygen.

 

[lvkhan]

Thankyou very much for the info I think this will be my method.

 

[lvkhan]

I'm ready just bought 3 9 kg cylinders

 

[L'absent]

It is essential to ensure that the car is completely sealed and closed, preventing the gas from escaping, as it always contains mercaptans—chemical substances specifically added to make it detectable by smell. For instance, in the case of LPG, ethanethiol is often used, which gives the gas a pungent and characteristic odor (similar to rotten eggs or sulfur) to help detect any leaks. Even a minimal escape could make the smell noticeable, especially to trained individuals such as law enforcement. For this reason, if one wants to avoid the gas being detected, it is crucial to be in a very isolated area, far from any potential interference.


Don't turn anything on and make sure nothing electrical is turned on.

 

[lvkhan]

I have an isolated spot in mind out in the country. How would I seal the car up?

 

[L'absent]

I have an isolated spot in mind out in the country. How would I seal the car up?

Obtain polyurethane foam to seal air vents, gaskets etc... First you need to seal the places that you think could let air in. When you're done, use this to figure out if the car is well sealed and find out if smoke is coming out of the car. ANCEL S100 smoke machine for cars This leak detector can quickly and accurately identify leaks in automotive, motorcycle and marine systems. It features a high pressure unit that operates at 1-2 PSI and a special EVAP connector to ensure it continuously emits a large amount of smoke. It will help you understand if you missed something.

 

[lvkhan]

I looked into it and I don't think I can do this I'm going to try lpg with an exit bag instead of car