Help Lots of gun questions

[Morgana]

Americans specifically for the last few questions, because I need to know local laws and whatnot: How likely would it be that I could pull off a shotgun shot to the head and a handgun shot to the heart at the same time without flinching and Fucking the whole thing up? And where can I go to learn to shoot these things, how many questions are asked at ranges, do I need to bring my own guns, (don't want to do that), how difficult is it to purchase ammunition? Will I go through the same background questioning as I did when I purchased the actual firearms? What are the odds that these words I'm typing will set off some kind of follow and I'll be flagged or something? (Extra paranoia) Thanks in advance.

 

[Morgana]

How do I do this with the least mess? I want the comfort of my home, but I'd rather live forever than have my family find me or have to clean things up. But I do want to be found. They all expect it. They know it's coming and fight it every day trying to help. When it's tome to go, (very soon), I want it to be as easy on them as possible. What should I do? Someone make my decision for me. I'll paypal you. Lol.

 

[TiredHorse]

How likely would it be that I could pull off a shotgun shot to the head and a handgun shot to the heart at the same time without flinching and Fucking the whole thing up?

Very unlikely. That's a lot of shooting to do all at the same time. And it's a pointless exercise: one correctly placed shot is all you need.

And where can I go to learn to shoot these things,

That will depend on where you live. If there's a local gun store, they'll be the ones to ask. Or you might check the NRA website? I don't endorse that organization, but they would likely have info.

how many questions are asked at ranges,

Aside from "What do you want to learn?", not many. Depending on the range, they want to know what sort of gun you're shooting, so you don't punch holes in the backstop, and they might express curiosity about your gun because it's interesting to know what other people are shooting, but privacy is a pretty important thing for us gun nuts, so you're not likely to get quizzed about motives or motivations.

do I need to bring my own guns, (don't want to do that),

It depends on the range. Some rent guns, sell ammo, offer tutorial, and have a gunsmith on hand; others are bare-bones BYOG and make sure you pick up your own spent casings.

how difficult is it to purchase ammunition?

Not at all, if you're over 21. Under 21, you might be able to buy online with appropriate duplicity.

Will I go through the same background questioning as I did when I purchased the actual firearms?

For ammo? Not even a little.

If you have already purchased the firearm, you're in the clear. That's the hard part. If you have purchased a gun, anyone interacting with you takes for granted that you've officially been vetted and there's no need for further questions.

What are the odds that these words I'm typing will set off some kind of follow and I'll be flagged or something?

Odds are pretty much zero.

How do I do this with the least mess?

The best solution I've come up with is either in the bath/shower, where the mess (inevitable with gunshot) can easily be rinsed down the drain, or outside.

I want the comfort of my home, but I'd rather live forever than have my family find me or have to clean things up. But I do want to be found.

I hear you. I have the same conflicts. The best scenario I've worked out is to shoot myself out in the yard, someplace where the mess can be unobtrusively hosed into the ground. I live alone, so a delayed delivery email will notify the sheriff to come tend to my body. For me the trick will be getting found by the sheriff before my body is found by the coyotes.

Alternately, there's a spot in a local park, out of sight of the populated areas but not out of earshot, where I might shoot myself. No one needs see the event, but the sound of the gunshot should get people's attention and I'm confident the police will arrive quickly. At worst, it will be a stranger who catches sight of the body, and I'm confident the police will be on their way soon after that.

 

[Morgana]

Very unlikely. That's a lot of shooting to do all at the same time. And it's a pointless exercise: one correctly placed shot is all you need.

That will depend on where you live. If there's a local gun store, they'll be the ones to ask. Or you might check the NRA website? I don't endorse that organization, but they would likely have info.

Aside from "What do you want to learn?", not many. Depending on the range, they want to know what sort of gun you're shooting, so you don't punch holes in the backstop, and they might express curiosity about your gun because it's interesting to know what other people are shooting, but privacy is a pretty important thing for us gun nuts, so you're not likely to get quizzed about motives or motivations.

It depends on the range. Some rent guns, sell ammo, offer tutorial, and have a gunsmith on hand; others are bare-bones BYOG and make sure you pick up your own spent casings.

Not at all, if you're over 21. Under 21, you might be able to buy online with appropriate duplicity.

For ammo? Not even a little.

If you have already purchased the firearm, you're in the clear. That's the hard part. If you have purchased a gun, anyone interacting with you takes for granted that you've officially been vetted and there's no need for further questions.

Odds are pretty much zero.

The best solution I've come up with is either in the bath/shower, where the mess (inevitable with gunshot) can easily be rinsed down the drain, or outside.

I hear you. I have the same conflicts. The best scenario I've worked out is to shoot myself out in the yard, someplace where the mess can be unobtrusively hosed into the ground. I live alone, so a delayed delivery email will notify the sheriff to come tend to my body. For me the trick will be getting found by the sheriff before my body is found by the coyotes.

Alternately, there's a spot in a local park, out of sight of the populated areas but not out of earshot, where I might shoot myself. No one needs see the event, but the sound of the gunshot should get people's attention and I'm confident the police will arrive quickly. At worst, it will be a stranger who catches sight of the body, and I'm confident the police will be on their way soon after that.

Thank you so very much for answering all of these questions. Are you an angel? I really, really appreciate you taking the time.

 

[InkBlot]

Ive never been Id'ed even buying ammunition. Most local ranges are pay to shoot, beyond that they give certain rules, a 20m video course on how not to get hurt, and you'll be lucky to see a range master beyond that point. Id reccomend taking a class on firearm use, they wont ask any questions beyond "are you old enough," etc. It will be more difficult to do damage with a handgun, than a 12 guage shotgun I can promise you that. And even then, people do manage to screw that up. Remember: all of your life support systems are in the brain stem. If you can manage to destroy that, the heart suddenly doesnt remember to keep beating. The rest of the brain is used for being a human being, not being alive.

As for being found: Ive seen apps send delayed text messages, you could send a delayed text 1 hour after youre gone to a number saying to bring cops to x address. Lay out on a tarp maybe. The mess will be the same as a can of paint exploding probably.

 

[TiredHorse]

Remember: all of your life support systems are in the brain stem. ... The rest of the brain is used for being a human being, not being alive.

Just got to say, this is a superb summary.

Like @InkBlot, I've never been ID'ed buying ammo, but by the time the law required you be over 21, I was obviously over 21. I think nowadays they may be required to look at your driver's license. It's like getting carded for buying booze; they're just looking at the age. Buying ammo on line, they typically wanted a scan of a driver's license, name matching the credit card, to make sure I was over 21.

His(?)(Sorry if you're a her, InkBlot) summary of the range experience is similar to mine, too. Go in, pay your $20, wave your ID at them to assure them you're 21 (sometimes they keep it to ensure good behavior at the range), listen to a brief safety talk, assure them you have ear protection, and then go in and make noise. If it's an indoor range, either bring along some paper targets (you can find them on line to print out for free) or be prepared to buy a packet of them at the range (for too much money).

Thank you so very much for answering all of these questions. Are you an angel? I really, really appreciate you taking the time.

You're very welcome --and no, I'm a far cry from an angel.

Oh, and if anyone at a range or gun store ever does ask you why you're learning to use a gun, "personal defense" or "home defense" are easy, boilerplate answers that no one ever disputes.

 

[Morgana]

Just got to say, this is a superb summary.

Like @InkBlot, I've never been ID'ed buying ammo, but by the time the law required you be over 21, I was obviously over 21. I think nowadays they may be required to look at your driver's license. It's like getting carded for buying booze; they're just looking at the age. Buying ammo on line, they typically wanted a scan of a driver's license, name matching the credit card, to make sure I was over 21.

His(?)(Sorry if you're a her, InkBlot) summary of the range experience is similar to mine, too. Go in, pay your $20, wave your ID at them to assure them you're 21 (sometimes they keep it to ensure good behavior at the range), listen to a brief safety talk, assure them you have ear protection, and then go in and make noise. If it's an indoor range, either bring along some paper targets (you can find them on line to print out for free) or be prepared to buy a packet of them at the range (for too much money).

You're very welcome --and no, I'm a far cry from an angel.

Oh, and if anyone at a range or gun store ever does ask you why you're learning to use a gun, "personal defense" or "home defense" are easy, boilerplate answers that no one ever disputes.

Awesome. I need help even identifying what guns I have. There are a few different kinds of shotguns and one 9mm. I fear I'll look suspiciously ignorant if I say "where are the bullets for a big black shotgun looking thing with a crank" lol. (I do know that one is black powder but idefk how to do that!) I never saw my husband shoot one and I've certainly never shot one. My date to ctb is coming up really soon. Getting sick thinking about having to stay longer than necessary, especially as a deformed vegetable. Fml

 

[InkBlot]

Look at your brands, cross reference brands with any identifying numbers. Mossberg, etc.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Very unlikely. That's a lot of shooting to do all at the same time. And it's a pointless exercise: one correctly placed shot is all you need.

That will depend on where you live. If there's a local gun store, they'll be the ones to ask. Or you might check the NRA website? I don't endorse that organization, but they would likely have info.

Aside from "What do you want to learn?", not many. Depending on the range, they want to know what sort of gun you're shooting, so you don't punch holes in the backstop, and they might express curiosity about your gun because it's interesting to know what other people are shooting, but privacy is a pretty important thing for us gun nuts, so you're not likely to get quizzed about motives or motivations.

It depends on the range. Some rent guns, sell ammo, offer tutorial, and have a gunsmith on hand; others are bare-bones BYOG and make sure you pick up your own spent casings.

Not at all, if you're over 21. Under 21, you might be able to buy online with appropriate duplicity.

For ammo? Not even a little.

If you have already purchased the firearm, you're in the clear. That's the hard part. If you have purchased a gun, anyone interacting with you takes for granted that you've officially been vetted and there's no need for further questions.

Odds are pretty much zero.

The best solution I've come up with is either in the bath/shower, where the mess (inevitable with gunshot) can easily be rinsed down the drain, or outside.

I hear you. I have the same conflicts. The best scenario I've worked out is to shoot myself out in the yard, someplace where the mess can be unobtrusively hosed into the ground. I live alone, so a delayed delivery email will notify the sheriff to come tend to my body. For me the trick will be getting found by the sheriff before my body is found by the coyotes.

Alternately, there's a spot in a local park, out of sight of the populated areas but not out of earshot, where I might shoot myself. No one needs see the event, but the sound of the gunshot should get people's attention and I'm confident the police will arrive quickly. At worst, it will be a stranger who catches sight of the body, and I'm confident the police will be on their way soon after that.

Hi Morgana. Just to let you know that a head shot leaves brain matter, tissue and blood everywhere. My brother shot himself and the clean-up took days. He was found by my mother, and the hole through his head was far worse than the walls, ceiling and floor. For me finding his suicide tape caused such shock that I became instantly frozen. Stumbled down the stairs, went outside in an attempt to warm up, and failed miserably. It was over 90 degrees outside and I could not get warm...not even close. Please...I beg you. Think long and hard before doing this at home...please.

 

[TiredHorse]

Thank you, @poof. I am so very sorry for the trauma you endured at your brother's death, but that you can relate it so vividly is a valuable and sobering reality check for all of us here who are considering ending our lives by gunshot.

I will myself take what you have said to heart, and for the sake of my family consider my own plans very, very carefully. What you relate of your experience touches too closely on my own fears for my family's wellbeing not to do so.

Again, I'm very sorry --and thank you for your candor.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Thank you so much TiredHorse I understand your concern for family and I am very glad that others might understand the care that must be taken for those left behind. I am most grateful to you...smile.

 

[TAW122]

TiredHorse pretty much covered it with the gun questions and he knows more than I do in terms of the technical aspects of the gun ctb'ing. One thing I will add is that when it comes to recoil, don't worry too much about recoil as you will be dead/unconscious the moment the bullet leaves the barrel. Also don't try to move the gun as you pull the trigger to anticipate when the gun goes off. A good idea is to dryfire (shoot the gun without any ammo) by squeezing the trigger of the gun slowly until you hear a 'click' which means the hammer has hit the firing pin. This allows you to have an idea of how much lbs pressure you need for the gun to go off (when there is an actual live round in the chamber).

 

[LastRide]

Yep, I think "dryfiring" without ammo is a very good exercise, and I think it will help on "the day" to be at ease and go through with it. "Flinching" i.e. moving in anticipation of the final shot can be dangerous and lead to a failed attempt which will very likely leave you in a very damaged but possibly alive state...worst outcome one could imagine !
@Morgana - I'm working on exactly what you've been considering, brainshot with shotgun plus heartshot with large caliber pistol at the same time. Some kind and considerate people here on this forum have correctly pointed out that this might make things too complicated for what it's worth...a well-placed gunshot to the head will be way enough and I agree. Nevertheless I cannot get this idea of a "double" out of my head, it kind of really appeals to me and it excites me to think about doing it that way. And I think that anything that seems right for you in your imagination should be taken into account and put into practise. After all, this is the very last act you are going to do, make it count, make it perfect, the way you have imagined it! We just need to train, learn to aim (I am actually a very good shooter when hunting or shooting at range, but you don't get to practise aiming at yourself a lot....), learn to not flinch, keep movements coordinated and steady....come on you kindred spririts, we can do this, we can pull this off, nothing will stop us once we're ready !!