Let's think about this logically. You are only aware of yourself when you are sentient. You don't remember anything in a deep sleep or a dreamless sleep, you can only remember the moments before you go to sleep and when you wake up. You don't remember anything before the age of 1 or 2 years. So logically the same applies to death. You can never experience death, in the same way you never experience deep sleep or sleep. By definition there can't just be nothing, because you have to exist. Not existing is an impossible concept.
Caustic Cardinals
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You can never not exist because you can't know that you don't exist. It's a logical fallacy.
No, you can never not exist because you can't know that you don't exist. It's a logical fallacy. I am not claiming the world is good, or that "you" will exist. There is no clear definition of what "you" are.
Caustic Cardinals
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Of course we can't perceive what it's like to not exist that's obvious but not existing is not incongruent with physical possibilities
You are missing the point. You do ever remember not being sentient? No, then by definition you need to be sentient to experience sentience. Although ego deaths, which I assume what you are referring to, are obviously the case in reality.
I've often thought about this. We desire death as relief from existence, but if we don't exist we won't feel the relief.
It's like when I die I won't even be aware of it so I'll never know if it worked. Bit of a headfuck really!
It's like when I die I won't even be aware of it so I'll never know if it worked. Bit of a headfuck really!
I'd rather not waste my time with philosophical mumbo jumbo. "You" is the universe. You don't cease to exist, but you change your experience from being a conscious entity to being something else.
I am not going to make the argument for solipsism, as it does not produce any results. Scientifically we can prove that things existed before I was born. There are a lot of reasons, and they should be really obvious, but I'll gladly explain them if you want me to. Also, we know science works because it produces predictive models of the universe, and evidence of that is that you're reading this comment on a device based on science.
Everything expanded from the Big Bang, therefore I am the Big Bang and so are you.
Caustic Cardinals
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I agree, but the big bang is an event. I assume what you mean is that you are existence and so am I. And yes that is true.
DeathBecomesMe
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Although I must point out that there is a very obvious flaw in this logic, and that is that if sentience must eventually exist, there exists infinity. We don't know for a fact infinity exists.
If you kill yourself you wont exist anymore. Death is a complete ego death.
Caustic Cardinals
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Are you talking about the comedy sketch by cheech and chong? I just listened to it and don't understand what this has to do with anything.
RM5998
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Caustic Cardinals
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RM5998
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According to current formulations of general relativity, the observable and predictable part of the universe temporally extends back to 13.6 billion years ago. This doesn't mean that there was nothing before 13.6 billion years ago - rather, that the current formulation of physics breaks down at that point. Everything that came before 13.6 billion years ago cannot affect what came after the point we call the Big Bang - but this doesn't necessarily mean that there was nothing there.
Sorry about that tangent. It's a pet peeve of mine.
There was an eternal something that lead to everything and we're part of it, do you agree? It doesn't have to be the big bang. An etetnal somethingness that evolves and devolves makes more sense than something out of pure nothing.
RM5998
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To be honest, I have difficulty in thinking of myself as anything more than a bag of bones, meat, blood and electricity. I no longer think of my consciousness as anything special. Thus, all ends at the singularity, like physics.
You're made out of materials that came from that eternal initial point, therefore you are that point. I'm not talking about consciousness. Listen to Alan Watts' videos on youtube. Even if consciousness was eternal and we were made out of spirit, the same logic would apply, just replace the initial point with initial consciousness, but I don't believe that anymore.
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There is no evidence of anything eternal. An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. What we do know is that big bang occurred 13.7 billion years ago. The big bang was the expansion of space and time, so it is a meaningless question to ask what happened "before" the big bang.
