Likelyhood of SN being banned or regulated?

[Soulstax]

I wonder because as a method for ctb, it's so cheap simple and effective. I'm frankly surprised this stuff is so easy to get in the states. I wonder if this will be regulated soon as it starts to catch the media's attention, or will that be difficult?

 

[Akeolodo]

it already is in the UK

 

[BlueWidow]

We've had this debate before on this forum. Some people seem to think it can never be completely banned because it is used in the preserving of meat and so forth, while others seem to think that it could be made harder to get, if not completely banned. Maybe you would have to show some ID or prove that you're going to use it for its intended purpose, or prove that you're not going to use it for ctb or something. I don't really know how that would work, but it's been my experience that if something works too well, it usually ends up getting banned sooner or later. The governments of the world can't allow the people to start making their own choices after all.

 

[Yuqani]

AFAIK, selling SN to private persons is already regulated by the EU.
Definitely had to get mine through second dary sources.
But you got the guns and stuff. Just threaten civil war or something.
(im kidding)

 

[Brick In The Wall]

We've had this debate before on this forum. Some people seem to think it can never be completely banned because it is used in the preserving of meat and so forth, while others seem to think that it could be made harder to get, if not completely banned. Maybe you would have to show some ID or prove that you're going to use it for its intended purpose, or prove that you're not going to use it for ctb or something. I don't really know how that would work, but it's been my experience that if something works too well, it usually ends up getting banned sooner or later. The governments of the world can't allow the people to start making their own choices after all.

I'm of the boat that it's too widespread and used in too many applications to be completely banned. I think some places may put regulations on it sure.

I always think it's funny when people say that you might have to prove you're using it for it's intended purpose. One of its intended purposes is to be eaten in food, so eating it technically is one of the intended purposes!

Besides if they ever truly ban the stuff which I highly doubt, then we have alternatives. SN is easily synthesized, someone will create molecularly similar compounds to get around the ban, and we always have SA as well.

 

[ArtsyDrawer]

I've read how easy in is to make it. I'll pull the info when I get home. You can basically cook in on your stove. Its aluminum powder and... Some other thing...
Just mix and heat.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

I've read how easy in is to make it. I'll pull the info when I get home. You can basically cook in on your stove. Its aluminum powder and... Some other thing...
Just mix and heat.

Someone already posted a comprehensive guide to synthesize SN. I'll see if I can't dig it up then bump it.

 

[BlueWidow]

I think for some people, it's just hard for them to wrap their head around the idea that there's something so inexpensive and easy that's so readily available to them that they could use to ctb because we are all so used to things like that being banned and strictly controlled by government regulation or something.

And usually when something works too well or is too helpful to the population, the government does move to ban or regulate it because they have to control everything.

 

[easywayout]

it already is in the UK

How so?

 

[waterbottleman]

Maybe, maybe not.

SN isn't a very well known way to ctb, the knowledge of SN may stay contained for people like us who care enough to have a peaceful suicide to go digging online for various options and possibilities. Plenty of people who ctb do it by impulse or are so desperate they don't even bother/care to take the time to do it peacefully.

I would laugh if in the US they made it more difficult to buy SN than to buy a gun. That is such American "logic" right there. Make it harder for people who want to only harm themselves than it is for people who want to buy a gun to harm others.

Juxtapose how the current administration reacted to the very few deaths due to vapes compared to how they react to the countless shootings we see in the US. They want to ban/regulate vapes but don't want to do anything that will make it harder for violent people to get their hands on a gun.

I don't mean to get political on this forum and I don't want to argue politics here, but I really don't understand the mentality of the R's if you catch my drift.

 

[ArtsyDrawer]

A mixture of aluminium powder and sodium nitrate heated for 40 minutes will yield sodium nitrite. The industrial route involves treating an aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide with a mixture of nitrogen dioxide and nitric oxide: 2 NaOH + NO2 + NO → 2 NaNO2 + H2O This reaction is air-sensitive and traces of oxygen will lead to sodium nitrate. Very pure sodium nitrite can be obtained by reacting nitrous acid (which can be obtained by adding dinitrogen trioxide to pure water) with sodium hydroxide. 2 NaOH + N2O3 → 2 NaNO2 + H2O

Thank God for Wikipedia.
I have no idea how pure this turns out, nor how to "treat" it with stuff.
Basically, dump aluminium powder in a container, drop some sodium nitrAte in, heat and presumably stir.
I have no idea.
The "very pure sodium nitrite" thing definitely has me curious, but we need chemists to explain what's what about it.

I would laugh if in the US they made it more difficult to buy SN than to buy a gun. That is such American "logic" right there.

Classic USA over there!

 

[BlueWidow]

Thank God for Wikipedia.
I have no idea how pure this turns out, nor how to "treat" it with stuff.
Basically, dump aluminium powder in a container, drop some sodium nitrAte in, heat and presumably stir.
I have no idea.
The "very pure sodium nitrite" thing definitely has me curious, but we need chemists to explain what's what about it.

Classic USA over there!

Doing everything back- asswards since 1776!

 

[Fragile]

i think that it's definitely possible that at least some concerns are raised by the general population and then followed by some sort of protocol for sellers once this method becomes even more popular, this is not such an obscure and unknown method as some people seem to believe, there has been some media coverage on suicides and attempted murders with SN, this method is also experiencing a boom on it's usage so it's only a matter of time before some pro life groups start doing something about it.

but at the same time this is a very, extremely common product used in the food industry and many others. and not only by big companies, this thing is used by fishers who want to preserve caviar and stuff, people who trade with meats and is even used as medicine to the point that the world health organization considers it an essential medicine that treats some forms of poisoning, talking about irony.

so banning it for the very small minority who use it to CTB will compromise millions of people who use it as intended, and since it's so common then it will have great economic repercussions, and at the end of the day, they care way more about money than they do about people.

in short, maybe some people will protest this chemical, but they will most likely get nowhere, at least in most of the world.