GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

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Many of us here on SS are isolated. We have been shunned, or people in our lives don't hear us because of their own filters.

I don't have children to pass on life learnings. I don't have anyone in my life who doesn't have distorting filters. But at least I know that here someone may want to listen and may want the benefit.

What life lessons would you want to pass on to others?

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I'll start. I found it helpful to list them as a one-stop reference for as long as I'm still alive. And as long as I'm alive, I may benefit from the lessons someone else posts.



• Never take responsibility for the things others do to you, nor make them own what you do to them.

• Respect and stand up for yourself, even if you think you don't deserve it. The more you practice this, the more you'll realize you do deserve it.

• Respect those who respectfully stand up to you.

• If someone pushes your buttons, whenever you can, use life's ignore button on them.

• Forgive yourself, especially for what you don't know and what you had no way of knowing. Benefit yourself and others by moving forward, having learned and grown; no one benefits if you condemn yourself to staying stuck in the prison of past deeds.

• Guilt is an anchor that greatly slows forward movement.

• It is difficult to find happiness in ourselves, and almost impossible to find it elsewhere.

• Kindness should fill you up. If you feel drained, it isn't kindness.

• Always listen to and trust your gut. It is one of human biology's greatest gifts. Red flags say quickly self-protect and, whenever possible, disengage. Red flags do not have to be understood, and they NEVER have to be justified.

• Learn, without self-condemnation, from the times you did not trust your gut or red flags so that they can serve you in the future. They are always your right.

• Learn manipulation tactics so you can recognize them and more effectively protect your boundaries. There will always be someone who consciously or unconsciously resists others' boundaries for their own benefit.

• Be aware of the vampires who feed off genuine need and altruistic intentions.

• Recognize when you're making excuses for someone's bad behavior. They rely on you to allow it to keep going.

• Change usually happens because the pain of not changing becomes greater than the pain of change.

• Experience the joys of practicing healthy boundaries, first for yourself, then reciprocally. Recognize what does and does not belong in your yard.

• The safest and most worthy people to have in your life are those who respect and love your boundaries.

• Define yourself and your experiences. Don't allow others to define you; do allow others to define themselves.

• The best leaders are open to criticism, know their responsibility is to serve those they lead, and know the privileged burden to lead can at any time be taken from them.

• Find and practice a personal ethic like the Five Precepts of Buddhism. This gives others the gift of freedom from harm, and keeps you out of much avoidable trouble.

• Emotions encourage awareness and compel us to next actions. Once we have attained satisfaction, we have to consciously work to remain satisfied, or seek new satisfaction.

• If you have a problem with someone, rather than staying angry and impotent, try to use your reason to appeal to theirs. If they have bad breath and body odor, tell them so they can fix that shit.

• Associating with those who don't share your values and aspirations is like lying on a cliff and trying to pull them up with one hand. It is far more likely they will pull you down, and you might crash even lower than where they are. If they desire the summit, they have to learn the skills and make the effort to climb it themselves.

• Invest back into yourself what you gain in life instead of blowing it on slot-machining (use the forum search if you don't know what this means and wish to).

• Like and love yourself. Others will be more likely to follow your example and treat you well, but if they don't or won't, fuck 'em; you'll be in excellent company with yourself.
 
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I agree with each and every point. You know what makes me sad? That I learned these things too late in life.

But, I guess, that's the way it works: you have to go through many life phases and many, many experiences in order to understand these profound ideas. And then you need to take yet one more step, and actually live by them, make them a part of who you are. Knowing these lessons, and actually living by what they teach, are two different things.

There is a lot of wisdom in your post @GoodPersonEffed


I would like to add one more:


To truly help someone means to help them with what they need, not what you think or expect them to need. Listen to what they tell you when they ask for your help!
 
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To truly help someone means to help them with what they need, not what you think or expect them to need. Listen to what they tell you when they ask for your help!

This.

And to the rest of your post, :heart: .
 
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Pretty nice list, well thought out and put together. I've learned many of these the hard way. I'm sure alot of other members here have as well.

Never get married without a pre nup and maintain a separate bank account. Better even still, just never get married. :pfff:
 
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"It's times like these that I wish I'd listened to what my mother used to tell me..."
 
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"It's times like these that I wish I'd listened to what my mother used to tell me..."
I hear that one. But we knew better right? Aww that'll never happen to me!
 
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Should have posted the whole exchange...

Arthur Dent: "It's times like these that I wish I'd listened to what my mother used to tell me..."
Ford Prefect: "What did your mother used to tell you?"
Arthur Dent: "I don't know, I didn't listen!"


Wouldn't it be great if we could indeed pass on what we've learned? I never listened to wiser people. I could have avoided so much if I did. I've got so much I'd like to pass on before I go but why would anyone listen to me? I see my nephews making the same mistakes I made even though they've seen how I'm suffering and I've told them why. I'm not sure you can learn from other people's mistakes. We should, we should all listen, but we are flawed confused creatures.
 
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That's an amazing list. Thank you for that.

@Underscore I looooove Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy!!


* Being in love wears off. True love takes time and effort. In love is more a chemical and like a drug. Be careful of the stories you tell yourself and confusing loving a person with simply feeling lonely, or wanting them to fill a void they never could. That is not fair to you or them. Don't waste their or your time.

* If you are at a job or home or have a partner that is good to you ... think really really long and hard before giving it all up about why you would want to leave something so good. Grass is often not greener on the other side and some things you give up you will never get back. Ever.

* Half assing and being lazy results in more work and complications.

* Be very clear with your intentions with someone.

* You can't change anyone. Ever. If they tell you something, just take their word for it. Trying to change people's minds / hearts is a fools game.

* Love should not cause pain or sadness. Suffering does not equate love. Ever. Not that it'll be perfect.. but enduring toxicity is not love. It is actually lack of love and respect for self.

* Do not take someone saying no to you personally. They are taking care of themselves. Instead, be grateful. It means you can trust their yes. You can't trust someone who doesn't know how to say no ever. It means they can't take care of themselves and the responsibility shouldn't fall on you.

* if you're like me and stability and happiness scares you then stay there. Face your fear. Otherwise you will fall into the habit of destroying it subconsciously or consciously and will live a life of regret.

* Be careful with the idea of "intuition". Often leads to making connections that don't exist and is just a cognitive bias where we see what we want to see. Then you act on feeling rather than logic.
 
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*sigh* I've thought about what I'd like to pass on and... I can't.

I talk lots of crap on here as a distraction. Its good to share stuff and it probably soothes my slight narcissistic tendencies.

But I've no wisdom to pass on, not really. Everyone has to find their own way.

Okay, I can't help it, go on then, I have this...

The dark path in life is all too easy to follow without realising it. Anything that makes you feel better in the short term will usually make you feel much worse in the long term. If you want an instant fix or a quick solution, then you'll most likely pay for it in the harshest coin further down the line. You won't even notice it happening until its too late, it'll be so gradual and insidious.
Don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, resist medication unless you really need it, get exercise, eat properly. All this can be really hard to maintain. Its a mountain of work and has very slow, gradual results and everything can fall by the wayside in an instant. Its the hard answer and the light path in life. Unfortunately, all that bad stuff is also the stuff that often makes all the suffering easier to bear, so how do you do without it? Well that, i don't know. Like i said, I don't really have any answers.:notsure:
 
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That's an amazing list. Thank you for that.

@Underscore I looooove Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy!!


* Being in love wears off. True love takes time and effort. In love is more a chemical and like a drug. Be careful of the stories you tell yourself and confusing loving a person with simply feeling lonely, or wanting them to fill a void they never could. That is not fair to you or them. Don't waste their or your time.

* If you are at a job or home or have a partner that is good to you ... think really really long and hard before giving it all up about why you would want to leave something so good. Grass is often not greener on the other side and some things you give up you will never get back. Ever.

* Half assing and being lazy results in more work and complications.

* Be very clear with your intentions with someone.

* You can't change anyone. Ever. If they tell you something, just take their word for it. Trying to change people's minds / hearts is a fools game.

* Love should not cause pain or sadness. Suffering does not equate love. Ever. Not that it'll be perfect.. but enduring toxicity is not love. It is actually lack of love and respect for self.

* Do not take someone saying no to you personally. They are taking care of themselves. Instead, be grateful. It means you can trust their yes. You can't trust someone who doesn't know how to say no ever. It means they can't take care of themselves and the responsibility shouldn't fall on you.

* if you're like me and stability and happiness scares you then stay there. Face your fear. Otherwise you will fall into the habit of destroying it subconsciously or consciously and will live a life of regret.

* Be careful with the idea of "intuition". Often leads to making connections that don't exist and is just a cognitive bias where we see what we want to see. Then you act on feeling rather than logic.

Me too, I love Douglas Adams! How can anyone cram so much irony and wisdom in each paragraph they write?! I should really reread his books soon.
 
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Me too, I love Douglas Adams! How can anyone cram so much irony and wisdom in each paragraph they write?! I should really reread his books soon.
There is so much in the Guide that is very clever observation of how the universe works, just hidden in comedy so you don't notice. Apart from the last book, that was crap.
 
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There is so much in the Guide that is very clever observation of how the universe works, just hidden in comedy so you don't notice. Apart from the last book, that was crap.

I read Adams when I was quite young, so all I remember is how witty he was - sort of like a modern Swift, or Jerome K. Jerome. I must definitely take him up again.

Which is the last one? The Restaurant?
 
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I read Adams when I was quite young, so all I remember is how witty he was - sort of like a modern Swift, or Jerome K. Jerome. I must definitely take him up again.

Which is the last one? The Restaurant?
Restaurant is the second, then life the universe and everything then so long and thanks for all the fish.
The fifth and last one is called mostly harmless and I always thought he was pressured into writing it and phoned it in.
 
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Restaurant is the second, then life the universe and everything then so long and thanks for all the fish.
The fifth and last one is called mostly harmless and I always thought he was pressured into writing it and phoned it in.


Maybe he had a contract deal with the publishing house and the only way to get out of it was by giving them one last book. Hmmm... or maybe he just ran out of ideas.
 
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We are a bit off topic here...but maybe not...the Guide has a lot of good advice in it :blarg:
Have you read the Dirk Gently books they are excellent.
 
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@Underscore

I'm glad you posted your wisdom to pass on. And everything on this thread and elsewhere. I always look forward to your posts when I see your name come up. The wisdom was especially good stuff.

Sorry if you respond to my mild praise with discomfort, but it's all truth. I don't do bullshit.
 
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@Underscore

I'm glad you posted your wisdom to pass on. And everything on this thread and elsewhere. I always look forward to your posts when I see your name come up. The wisdom was especially good stuff.

Sorry if you respond to my mild praise with discomfort, but it's all truth. I don't do bullshit.
That is a kind thing to say. Thank you. I just think too much and it's good to get it out. I enjoy seeing what you have to say too. I'm trying hard to learn how to listen (it doesn't come easily to me) and I really value people's earnest opinions.
 
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Beautifully written ❤

Another life lesson is to be the person you needed when you were younger
 
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We are a bit off topic here...but maybe not...the Guide has a lot of good advice in it :blarg:
Have you read the Dirk Gently books they are excellent.

No, not yet. Thank you for recommending them. (Sorry, dear OP, for going off topic here. ❤️)
 
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Lessons to pass on: Always carry duct tape and a multi-tool.
 
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No, not yet. Thank you for recommending them. (Sorry, dear OP, for going off topic here. ❤)

The convo didn't feel like highjacking the thread, it felt natural and appropriate. But much respect and appreciation to all who were conscientious about it. I do love good boundaries and am happy when others show awareness of and respect for them.
 
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Lessons to pass on: Always carry duct tape and a multi-tool.
Yes! When I actually had a life I always carried a leather belt pouch with a Swiss Army Knife and a micro torch with duct tape wrapped around it (it helped it fit in the pouch too). I would have carried a multi-tool but my Leatherman wasn't technically legal carry and the police always loved to stop me, especially in the car.
 
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Why would I care since everybody gets amnesia anyways throughout incarnations. This isn't a place that nurtures the human soul, it's a soul trafficking farm intentionally designed to maximize pain & sorrow. The only "lesson" I would leave behind is if you don't truly desire this hell, then you'll need to bypass their amnesia machinery in order to escape at any cost necessary even if that means ending your own existence.

That which has no form can enter where there's no space. Human attachments and concepts are too heavy. The only "winning" move is not to play. There will probably never be a happy ending or real justice. This poisoned world has nothing permanent to offer you but more emotional scars. This entire beast system based on ancient mind control needs to be completely fucking destroyed along with the airs of amnesia being deleted from existence if there's ever actually gonna be any golden age of futuristic wonder. Vampiric parasites wouldn't co-exist on such a place, they would all had been dealt with by then.

" the eternal identity, memory, and abilities of every IS-BE is
forcefully erased. This "final solution" 123 (Footnote) was
conceived and carried out by the psychopathic criminals
who are controlled by the "Old Empire".
Likewise, the IS-BEs of Earth are the
victims of spiritual eradication and eternal slavery
inside frail, biological bodies, inspired by the same
kind of craven hatred in the "Old Empire".
The kind and creative inmates of Earth are continuously
tortured by butchers and lunatics who are controlled by
the "Old Empire" prison operators. The so-called
"civilizations" of Earth, from the age of useless
pyramids to the age of nuclear holocaust, have been a
colossal waste of natural resources, a perverted use of
intelligence, and an overt oppression of the spiritual
essence of every single IS-BE on the planet.
If The Domain sent ships to every corner of the universe
in search of "Hell", their quest could end on Earth.
What greater brutality can be inflicted on anyone than
to erase the spiritual awareness, identity, ability,
and memory that is the essence of oneself?"

"By the strength of my words alone, is the attainment of the Supreme Way easy of access"
And so concludes Ribhu, as All dissolves into Nothing, the Void Self, the Non-Existent One, Eternal Bliss.
 
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Lessons I've learned from, or had made real by, being on SS:


• From @Underscore: "Only the deluded have true certainty."

(Quoted by my request and with his humble permission.)

• Don't like someone's method that harms no one but themselves? Die their death for them.

• Others are triggered by our wanting ctb, and we want acceptance, inclusion, and the right to choose. Then we see a ctb method that triggers us, and we are no longer so freely giving of acceptance, inclusion, and the right to choose.

• When you demand something of others, you're really demanding it of yourself. It may be that a person, group, or culture demanded it of you. Is the demand valid? Are you unthinkingly perpetuating someone else's (invalid) power?

• It's easy to tell others how to act, but shit gets real when you apply it to yourself. If you want others to do something hard, are you also able and willing to do it, or do you rationalize when it comes to you?

(Even the Buddha rationalized.

He claimed perfect enlightenment, often. It gave him the authority to lay claim to the title of Buddha. In fact he told his students to not blindly follow him, but to verify for themselves his actions were blameless.

He taught that harsh speech was misconduct that bore negative fruits. But when his brother joined his sangha as a monk, dude wasn't into letting go of his kohl eyeliner and comfy sleeping arrangements. Buddha got harsh on his ass in front of the community, and his brother complied. The Buddha rationalized he'd spoken as a loving parent to a child.

This is all in the Pali Canon, the closest one can get to what the Buddha actually said and did, as it was the first written record after centuries of oral transmission. Source: In the Buddha's Words.)
 
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I had to read that several times. A thought provoking post, thank-you. I would say that for myself, I am guilty of rationalising. I try not to but It still happens. I am aware that I can suffer from double standards, as by nature I have conflicted attitudes. I do not see the world clearly, neither do I know my place very well. I find it all too easy to give advice, but can't take that advice for myself. I recognise that flaw and try to fight it, but often fail.

You are correct, shit gets all too real when its actually happening to you, and its all too easy to tell someone what to do, to think, to feel. I get furious when people do that to me, and yet sometimes I find myself doing it to others! It can be hard to let someone act without influencing their actions, when you want to do something to help. But then how far do you go? Like the shrinks that get someone sectioned after an attempt then let them out to begin the suffering again in an even worse state. If I help someone, do I then become responsible for them? Well, sure, kind of, but then how much? To what extent?

There are no answers for me. How do you pass through this world doing no harm? You can't. If you speak, you influence. If you prosper, someone else loses out. If you live, other living things die. I used to manipulate people at work all the time, by treating them with respect and listening to what made their jobs difficult. It helped them, made them happier at work, but I didn't do it to make them happy, I did it because if they were respected then they dealt with me better and made my job easier. So my intent was selfish, but positive results came of it. I've also seen actions taken out of love result in intolerable suffering. How does that work?

I recall a story of the Buddha, in one incarnation he let a tiger eat him, because the tiger was hungry. Fuck that. I'm a slave to this dichotomous, contradictory, paradoxical universe. If I try to transcend this, then don't I fight against the very thing that millions of years of evolution and billions of years of physics have laid down as my foundation?

To be alive, to be human, to have awareness and intelligence is deeply confusing. Maybe our self appointed goal, if our species survives long enough is to try and make sense of this. Or maybe there is no sense to be made. I guess that's the existential issue that every self-aware creature must struggle with.
 
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I had to read that several times. A thought provoking post, thank-you. I would say that for myself, I am guilty of rationalising. I try not to but It still happens. I am aware that I can suffer from double standards, as by nature I have conflicted attitudes. I do not see the world clearly, neither do I know my place very well. I find it all too easy to give advice, but can't take that advice for myself. I recognise that flaw and try to fight it, but often fail.

You are correct, shit gets all too real when its actually happening to you, and its all too easy to tell someone what to do, to think, to feel. I get furious when people do that to me, and yet sometimes I find myself doing it to others! It can be hard to let someone act without influencing their actions, when you want to do something to help. But then how far do you go? Like the shrinks that get someone sectioned after an attempt then let them out to begin the suffering again in an even worse state. If I help someone, do I then become responsible for them? Well, sure, kind of, but then how much? To what extent?

There are no answers for me. How do you pass through this world doing no harm? You can't. If you speak, you influence. If you prosper, someone else loses out. If you live, other living things die. I used to manipulate people at work all the time, by treating them with respect and listening to what made their jobs difficult. It helped them, made them happier at work, but I didn't do it to make them happy, I did it because if they were respected then they dealt with me better and made my job easier. So my intent was selfish, but positive results came of it. I've also seen actions taken out of love result in intolerable suffering. How does that work?

I recall a story of the Buddha, in one incarnation he let a tiger eat him, because the tiger was hungry. Fuck that. I'm a slave to this dichotomous, contradictory, paradoxical universe. If I try to transcend this, then don't I fight against the very thing that millions of years of evolution and billions of years of physics have laid down as my foundation?

To be alive, to be human, to have awareness and intelligence is deeply confusing. Maybe our self appointed goal, if our species survives long enough is to try and make sense of this. Or maybe there is no sense to be made. I guess that's the existential issue that every self-aware creature must struggle with.

The thing about "wisdom," it is a guide. It may feel like a condemnation when we don't follow it, and praise when we do.

If it is true wisdom, it has value. We may reject it until we see the value. We may want it, but it requires effort to attain and maintain. Our humanness and extenuating circumstances are often obstacles. I like that the Stoics didn't aspire to perfection, only to virtue, and there is virtue in the trying. They had an ideal of the perfect rational man, and they knew he would never exist.

No human, not even the Buddha, is perfect.

Even Benjamin Franklin could be a right and proper asshat.

@Underscore, I enjoyed reading the thoughts my post provoked. I thought, I snorted, I guffawed. Thank you. I quoted the whole damn thing here. I will read it again. And I always respect and aspire to your rational humility. It is not nearly as invigorating as being "right," but at 48, I'm learning I need to be aware and accepting much more than being certain. Certainty is indeed delusion -- or if I'm being kind, illusion. Easier to be kind to myself, often feels more invigoratingly "right" to say others are deluded while I have illusions. This is why Ben Franklin, and the Buddha and his previous teachers, placed such value on seeking and attaining equanimity.

Hindsight is 20/20. For once I am relieved by it. I'm glad that I called this thread life lessons rather than wisdom. Someone would be sure to knock me right off my lofty self-created pedestal. Each here so far has posted lessons we ourselves have learned; there is no imposition, only the offering of them as gifts, with no demand they be taken, or even viewed as such.
 
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Don't trust what most people are trying to feed you and force you and condition you in a certain way. Use your mind and thinking and question everything. Humans need a new right that nobody talks about, the right to verify. If you know what is true and whats not, you'll know the truth of life and will know your true choice if you want to continue or not.
 
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Another one:

When we advise or teach others, we are reinforcing for ourselves what we have learned. It's a good opportunity to check within to verify the lesson is still of benefit.
 
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Nobody truly knows about you and your consciousness and your inside. Try to understand yourself and the real reasons for your actions and everything else. Try to analyze your complexities because you are almost the only one capable of doing that. The more you know and understand , the more internal peace you'll have.
 
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A lesson for maintaining healthy self-boundaries that SS revealed to me:

Look for and liberally use life's edit, ignore, and unwatch buttons.
 
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