legitimacy of suicide

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

Do you think that suicide is morally wrong or is acceptable in certain circumstances ?
Do you believe our body and life is our property and we have the right to do it or doing it is a sin against nature ?
These questions haunt me day and night at the point i can't definitely decide to kill myself or not.
I'm in a situation ( incurable and unknow illness with unbearable symptoms ) where rationally suicide is the only option left but i can't get rid of these ruminations about the validity of the act. What are your thoughts about that ?

 

[asthedayends00]

We will never know truly what goes on in the universe/other dimensions. Sin against our nature is subjective and differs for every person.

 

[srilankanbeyotch]

Once you achieve a level of thinking or just questioned everything.. everthing just falls off. Even the concept of morality, its just a construct that most people have agreed on what and what not to do to yourself or other people. It's fucked up being conscious and awake like this. Theres no exit from this kind of thinking but to off yourself.

 

[amor.dor]

To this day, I have never seen a solid argument against suicide.

1. Religion says it is a sin against life, but religion itself has never proven its metaphysical god, while there are thousands of religions, each claiming to be the true one.
2. Society uses only moralistic arguments that are largely based on utility. For example, they say killing yourself is selfish, but killing to defend politicians' interests in wars is perfectly acceptable—even though none of our supposed enemies have ever done anything to us (just remember the Christmas Truce of 1914).
3. The argument of empathy : They say, "Think of the other people who will be hurt if you die." But from the moment we are born, we are treated well in childhood only to have success demanded of us every day afterward, where most of the time it's every person for themselves. They promise a beautiful world only to snatch it all away later.In general terms, in society, it's one person exploiting the other.

I could list many others, but most of the arguments they give us are meant to keep us always useful—to die only for the sake of others, for ideas, for religion, or even for honor, like the samurai. But to die for one's own reasons is always seen as something bad, when deep down, that should be the main reason for a person to ponder their situation. Nobody asked to be born, so who has more right to choose about their own life than the person themselves?

Suicide should be a choice for those who are tired of living or suffering too much. That is perfectly valid. But one must also consider the suffering of others after our loss… to at least minimize the suffering after we die.

Suicide is a choice, never an obligation. I think the only argument that makes me question suicide is:

Life is absurd and doesn't guarantee us anything. Why would death guarantee anything? In a way, killing oneself is an act of faith—of course, not in the religious sense.

It's clear that supposing lives beyond this one in death is a mere projection of our living minds, where everything is seen through the lens of life.
After all, for a fish, everything comes down to water.

 

[ginko0]

It was once deemed wrong because men's lives belonged to the gods. It was once deemed wrong because men's lives belonged to the emperor. Soldiers and slaves we're forbidden to take their lives because it represented a loss for the state or the owners.

Nowadays, here in the western world at least, we've achieved a society which sees man's life as belonging to himself. I tend to follow this view, thus deeming suicide a choice that only the individual can make. If a man's got a right to his own life, he must also have a right to his own death.

 

[dead dav]

I personally think it should be a free choice after all you had no choice in your birth and as see it it's ok for governments and religious fanatics to kill at will so why can I not end myself .?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'd be doing nature a favour by ending my life early. I only contribute to poisoning it while I'm still alive. Or, do you mean God more? I imagine I've already done enough to piss them off! If there even is one.

It's not the greatest action. I think it can really upset the people that knew and loved us. But then, I don't think it was all that fair to bring us here and expect us to stay in the first place. I'm an anti-natilist at heart.

Personally, I think parents have more of an obligation to stay- because they chose to take on the responsibility of caring for their children. For the rest of us, responsibility was (arguably unfairly) dumped upon us. It's not great to shun it probably but then- it may have been too bigger ask to begin with. Why should a person be expected to live a life of suffering?

 

[madameviolette]

Idk, I heard some animals and even insects commit suicide. Why would humans be the only ones to be punished or held accountable ?

I'm also in extreme pain dying from a very slow death. There is nothing to enjoy, not even the sight of a flower. I can't see suicide in any other way than a rational decision in that case

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

These animals and insects probably also cause a black spot in their community and weakens it...
I live with constant unbearable suffering but i can't imagine that my suicide would be something positive for the whole universe, it seem to me that it goes against nature force and that i'm forced to stay because of that, even if i can't live a good life.
I think eventually, even if we live in torture, it's not up to us to decide when we die... I hope i'm wrong
also, what if we reincarnate and are forced to relive the same thing because we quit it the first time ? Or what if we're still conscious after our death and have to look at the consequence of our act and regret it ?

 

[madameviolette]

These animals and insects probably also cause a black spot in their community and weakens it...
I live with constant unbearable suffering but i can't imagine that my suicide would be something positive for the whole universe, it seem to me that it goes against nature force and that i'm forced to stay because of that, even if i can't live a good life.
I think eventually, even if we live in torture, it's not up to us to decide when we die... I hope i'm wrong
also, what if we reincarnate and are forced to relive the same thing because we quit it the first time ? Or what if we're still conscious after our death and have to look at the consequence of our act and regret it ?

I agree it goes against nature and natural processes. Bees suicide for a purpose and sacrifice themselves to protect the queen against invaders.

I have a iatrogenic illness. A disease caused by medications. In addition to not being recognized by the medical community, there's no treatment. It's all man-made from small pills. I could never have imagined such pain could exist. I'd take any other disease than the pain caused by chemicals made in a lab from humans. My pain is not natural. It feels like both Hiroshima and Agent Orange inside my body. There is nothing to enjoy from life when your whole nervous system feels like burning.

Had I contracted any other disease I'd have let nature take its course. As for reincarnation I hope next time I won't get poisoned

 

[FuneralCry]

No and I see it as so cruel and disgusting when pro-lifers say that suicide is wrong and do all they can to force humans to suffer for as much and as long as possible in this dreadful, torturous existence that I just always saw as a mistake, all that pro-life people do is just cause so much more harm and suffering, all they want is for others to be tortured, it's just so horrific to me, it should be a crime to imprison others in this existence against their wishes.

For me ceasing to exist is the positive solution to find peace from all future suffering and torture in this existence I just always saw as an abomination, it's so horrifying to me how a human can be tortured in this existence for decades longer just to face the extreme agony of old age with no limit as to how much one can suffer and every second is torture to be conscious. The existence of life is the most terrible, devastating tragedy that just causes harm, cruelty and suffering torturing existing beings all for the sake of it and the fact that humans impose this onto others is always so dreadful and terrible to me, I'll always see existence itself as the true problem and I always suffer so much from existing in this horrific, evil anti-suicide world where it's a crime wanting non-existence to bring me the peace I search for.

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

I agree it goes against nature and natural processes. Bees suicide for a purpose and sacrifice themselves to protect the queen against invaders.

I have a iatrogenic illness. A disease caused by medications. In addition to not being recognized by the medical community, there's no treatment. It's all man-made from small pills. I could never have imagined such pain could exist. I'd take any other disease than the pain caused by chemicals made in a lab from humans. My pain is not natural. It feels like both Fukushima and Agent Orange inside my body. There is nothing to enjoy from life when your whole nervous system feels like burning.

Had I contracted any other disease I'd have let nature take its course. As for reincarnation I hope next time I won't get poisoned

I'm sorry to hear about your illness and couldn't be in a better position to understand the horror of it as a person also mysteriously ill after the withdrawal of an antidepressants 3.5 years ago. I also would love to have a natural disease that a one caused by humans experimenting chemical on others without understanding what they are really doing. Feel free to text me if you wanna chat as we are in a similar situation and it could be meaningful or comforting to talk about it.

 

[madameviolette]

I'm sorry to hear about your illness and couldn't be in a better position to understand the horror of it as a person also mysteriously ill after the withdrawal of an antidepressants 3.5 years ago. I also would love to have a natural disease that a one caused by humans experimenting chemical on others without understanding what they are really doing. Feel free to text me if you wanna chat as we are in a similar situation and it could be meaningful or comforting to talk about it.

I read your other post. Just like you I'll ctb out of spite. Not because I want to but because there are no other logical reasons and no possibility for a bearable life. Sure we can chat