Discussion Last Five Acts and hanging (full suspension)

[Ta555]

I was perusing Five Last Acts again yesterday and got to the hanging section and got a bit confused and a little frustrated tbh. The book only had one and a bit pages about full suspension hanging and basically says "don't do it, it's slow and painful and you'll be hanging there suffocating for a while".

Now, everything I've read on this forum plus some external sources points to this really not being the case the vast majority of the time. From what I understand from all this reading is that the force of the weight of your body will close off all blood vessels (jugular and carotid) in your neck and you'll be unconscious in very well under a minute. (If you have a good rope and place the tightening knot at the back.)

The Five Last Acts doesn't mention it at all. It doesn't say like...it's possible you'll lose consciousness quickly but there's a chance you'll be suffering for a while. It just straight up says, don't do it because it will take a long time and be very painful.

So how can a man who's supposed to be such an expert in death get it wrong like this??

 

[Circles]

Every hanging is different especially full suspension. I just recently listened to one of Dan Carlin's history podcast about executions and hanging of course was one of them. He said that every hanging was different some took less than a minute to lose consciousness if the fall breaks the neck while others took 20-30 minutes for odd reasons that I assume because of the placement of the rope and the dangling/thrashing of the body to the point where family members even went up to the scaffold to hold and pull their family member down so as to have them die faster.

This is why I got into the night night method because atleast that may increase the chances of passing out faster but again it all seems it boils down to chance and courage.

 

[Ta555]

Every hanging is different especially full suspension. I just recently listened to of Dan Carlin's history podcast about executions and hanging of course was one of them. He said that every hanging was different some took less than a minute to lose consciousness if the fall breaks the neck while others took 20-30 minutes for odd reasons that I assume because of the placement of the rope and the dangling/thrashing of the body to the point where family members even went up to the scaffold to hold and pull their family member down so as to have them die faster.

This is why I got into the night night method because atleast that may increase the chances of passing out faster but again it all seems it boils down to chance and courage.

Execution style hanging is completely different to full suspension suicidal hanging. The mechanism is completely different. Same with the knot and placement of noose.

 

[Circles]

Execution style hanging is completely different to full suspension suicidal hanging. The mechanism is completely different. Same with the knot and placement of noose.

True it's different but again you can drop from a height and still be able to break the neck as it's been done before in other suicides. But if you're talking about simply doing a Shawshank Redemption type hanging where you're using a ceiling beam and a chair or step ladder where the height is shortened then who knows cause again every hanging is different. It's up to you so.

If you're so concerned wear a knife or multiple ones on you or keep an extra chair or whatever you think could help nearby when doing it and if you feel like it's not going like you want it to then use that to back out.

 

[Ta555]

True it's different but again you can drop from a height and still be able to break the neck as it's been done before in other suicides. But if you're talking about simply doing a Shawshank Redemption type hanging where you're using a ceiling beam and a chair or step ladder where the height is shortened then who knows cause again every hanging is different. It's up to you so.

If you're so concerned wear a knife or multiple ones on you or keep an extra chair or whatever you think could help nearby when doing it and if you feel like it's not going like you want it to then use that to back out.

I know that every hanging is different but the majority concensus here is that if you have a good rope and knot you'll pass out quickly where's on the Five Last Acts it says the complete opposite, that's the point I'm trying to make. That the suicide guide is at odds with the general wisdom on here.

 

[justsayin]

I know that every hanging is different but the majority concensus here is that if you have a good rope and knot you'll pass out quickly where's on the Five Last Acts it says the complete opposite, that's the point I'm trying to make. That the suicide guide is at odds with the general wisdom on here.

All sucide books/guides have something wrong in them. It is important that you don't rely on one source of info.

 

[Someone123]

I know that every hanging is different but the majority concensus here is that if you have a good rope and knot you'll pass out quickly where's on the Five Last Acts it says the complete opposite, that's the point I'm trying to make. That the suicide guide is at odds with the general wisdom on here.

There are a few full suspension hanging videos on this site and if you view them after not too long their eyes are parlty closed- are they conscious, semi-conscious, or unconscious?- it is not easy to tell. We have to be able to dsucss both the pros and cons honestly even though often our information is incomplete. One plus of full suspension is that it is one of the most reliable methods to work, one minus is that it is known that some people have been cut down after 20 minutes or longer and they had no ill effects once they recovered from a sore neck and the marks. For how long a person feels pain as part of this process is unclear- it might be a minute or less or it might be 20 minutes or longer.

 

[Chinaski]

I know that every hanging is different but the majority concensus here is that if you have a good rope and knot you'll pass out quickly where's on the Five Last Acts it says the complete opposite, that's the point I'm trying to make. That the suicide guide is at odds with the general wisdom on here.

I tried partial a few times, it's uncomfortable and unpleasant when you're just an idiot faffing around with a badly constructed noise. After doing further research l ran a test where l tied a hard knot, placed it in access of the carotid and leaned in to it as l dropped. This was only a test, the noose was a dressing gown belt draped around a door handle, and it was not exactly a pleasant sensation but l passed out, within fifteen seconds or so. I came to when l hit the floor, the noose having slid off the handle probably because my body jerked, literally didn't know *who* l was for a few seconds, had what sounded like a distant orchestra in my ears. Had l done things properly this "test" would have succeeded, and it's only something you can do once, as the SI will kick in now you know what's coming.

So yeah it's not pleasant, but like every method there's a way of getting it *right* and it isn't too difficult imo.

Tldr: the book is wrong.

 

[Ta555]

I tried partial a few times, it's uncomfortable and unpleasant when you're just an idiot faffing around with a badly constructed noise. After doing further research l ran a test where l tied a hard knot, placed it in access of the carotid and leaned in to it as l dropped. This was only a test, the noose was a dressing gown belt draped around a door handle, and it was not exactly a pleasant sensation but l passed out, within fifteen seconds or so. I came to when l hit the floor, the noose having slid off the handle probably because my body jerked, literally didn't know *who* l was for a few seconds, had what sounded like a distant orchestra in my ears. Had l done things properly this "test" would have succeeded, and it's only something you can do once, as the SI will kick in now you know what's coming.

So yeah it's not pleasant, but like every method there's a way of getting it *right* and it isn't too difficult imo.

Tldr: the book is wrong.

Sorry was the test where you passed out a full or partial? (The book says full is long and painful. Nothing about partial.)

 

[Chinaski]

Ack, my mistake, in which case ignore me (fwiw full is immediate if you snap between the second and third vertebrae, which is how executioners used it, but this is impossible with a ctb without the right method of accurately testing the drop)

 

[Ta555]

Ack, my mistake, in which case ignore me (fwiw full is immediate if you snap between the second and third vertebrae, which is how executioners used it, but this is impossible with a ctb without the right method of accurately testing the drop)

Lol yes I know! No long drop method here.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

The misunderstandings about hanging seem to be a never ending story.
I have been hanged (full suspension) many times non lethally and I can assure you that it is not painful and that I passed out within 5 to 15 seconds.
The convulsing persons on videos seem to be conscious but the are not!
If you don´t believe my, the following documents may convince you:

https://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/14hangings.pdf

http://crashingpatient.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Rossen-1943-Acute-Arrest-of-Cerebral-Circulation-in-Man.pdf

 

[Ta555]

The misunderstandings about hanging seem to be a never ending story.
I have been hanged (full suspension) many times non lethally and I can assure you that it is not painful and that I passed out within 5 to 15 seconds.
The convulsing persons on videos seem to be conscious but the are not!
If you don´t believe my, the following documents may convince you:

https://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/14hangings.pdf

http://crashingpatient.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Rossen-1943-Acute-Arrest-of-Cerebral-Circulation-in-Man.pdf

I think you are right. I don't see how someone's body weight wouldn't close off the blood vessels. There was a video of a girl struggling for like two minutes around here somewhere. I couldn't watch it personally so I don't know what she did wrong.

 

[Someone123]

The misunderstandings about hanging seem to be a never ending story.
I have been hanged (full suspension) many times non lethally and I can assure you that it is not painful and that I passed out within 5 to 15 seconds.
The convulsing persons on videos seem to be conscious but the are not!
If you don´t believe my, the following documents may convince you:

https://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/14hangings.pdf

http://crashingpatient.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Rossen-1943-Acute-Arrest-of-Cerebral-Circulation-in-Man.pdf

This is good news if it is always true- I think maybe it depends some on the knot- some say a slipknot gets tighter than a noose in this situation and this could be the key. One story I have read in at least a few places is that when some people have done suspension hanging for execution that a person's body twists around and jumps around for 20 - 25 minutes in some cases and out of desperation the hanging person's family members pull on their legs to try to tighten the knot and to end what looks like a very distressing experience to them. I am pretty sure there are at least a few posts about this happening on this site.

In your case, I am curious about how you were hanged in full suspension many times and passed out but did not ctb- my guess is that you must have had someone there to pull you down. Just curious why a person would do this many times- I'm guessing it must have been a positive experience in some way? (I have heard that some people do partial hanging for some kind of pleasure, maybe this was it.)

Thanks for any more information on this.

I tried partial a few times, it's uncomfortable and unpleasant when you're just an idiot faffing around with a badly constructed noise. After doing further research l ran a test where l tied a hard knot, placed it in access of the carotid and leaned in to it as l dropped. This was only a test, the noose was a dressing gown belt draped around a door handle, and it was not exactly a pleasant sensation but l passed out, within fifteen seconds or so. I came to when l hit the floor, the noose having slid off the handle probably because my body jerked, literally didn't know *who* l was for a few seconds, had what sounded like a distant orchestra in my ears. Had l done things properly this "test" would have succeeded, and it's only something you can do once, as the SI will kick in now you know what's coming.

So yeah it's not pleasant, but like every method there's a way of getting it *right* and it isn't too difficult imo.

Tldr: the book is wrong.

Some people get partial to work but many posting on this site post that it has not worked for them even though they passed out, including one person who keeps trying to get the knot and body position right and said he has failed 25 times to get this to work- he passes out but does not ctb.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

This is good news if it is always true- I think maybe it depends some on the knot- some say a slipknot gets tighter than a noose in this situation and this could be the key. One story I have read in at least a few places is that when some people have done suspension hanging for execution that a person's body twists around and jumps around for 20 - 25 minutes in some cases and out of desperation the hanging person's family members pull on their legs to try to tighten the knot and to end what looks like a very distressing experience to them. I am pretty sure there are at least a few posts about this happening on this site.

In your case, I am curious about how you were hanged in full suspension many times and passed out but did not ctb- my guess is that you must have had someone there to pull you down. Just curious why a person would do this many times- I'm guessing it must have been a positive experience in some way? (I have heard that some people do partial hanging for some kind of pleasure, maybe this was it.)

Thanks for any more information on this.

Some people get partial to work but many posting on this site post that it has not worked for them even though they passed out, including one person who keeps trying to get the knot and body position right and said he has failed 25 times to get this to work- he passes out but does not ctb.

You are right I have a hanging fetish and I was hanged by partners who held the free end of the rope and let me down carefully as soon as my eyes are fixed. It is a good dry run for my final hanging to death.

I use a mooring rope of 20 mm diameter and a loop that does not pull tight. A thinner rope and a tightening noose would increase the pressure on my neck but I assume I would not pass out faster. When the blood vessels in the neck are already flattened additional pressure would change nothing.