Venting It’s always unfair to invalidate those who want to die because of their age

[FuneralCry]

Personally I really cannot stand those who repeat things like "you're so young" when someone younger wants to cease existing on their own terms, it's just so condescending and invalidating.
I'm sorry but suicide is a human right, not a privilege reserved for elderly people, to me there's something really sadistic about believing that other people should suffer for as long as possible even if they really don't want to. Like it's our existence not other people's, nobody consented to existing here in the first place and they aren't obligated to contiue. Trying to gatekeep suicide is very insensitive and cruel.

I get that many are offended by this fact but not everyone wants to exist here, existing is so incredibly futile, meaningless and pointless, and anyway all humans are capable of suffering extremely no matter the age, to simply exist is so incredibly harmful.

In my case I really cannot stand all the age comments as for me existence itself is the problem, I'd never wish to exist in this evil, disgusting world no matter what and I see no value in prolonging unnecessary suffering in this hellish existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel. The more time spent here just means the more opportunities to suffer and I'm anti-suffering, I view it as so tragic how something so dreadful and repulsive as life even exists at all.

Only never existing is perfection to me, I've suffered for 23 years too long, I'd prefer to not exist no matter what, existence truly is so evil, it's the source of all suffering after all.

 

[Downdraft]

I'm sorry but suicide is a human right, not a privilege reserved for elderly people, to me there's something really sadistic about believing that other people should suffer for as long as possible even if they really don't want to.

I agree with this. Young people have no say on anything. They rely on guardians who, sometimes, are abusers, neglecful or overall unprepared. The trauma can carry even when it "will get better", and you need said guardians to have shelter, who know you need them and abuse the situation, and minors rights aren't well established everywhere. Some of them are also have health conditions since young. By saying you can't consent being young, you fail to explain how said guardians know any better. It's the moral obligation to endure anything you can realistically compensate.

And thats just one of the many things that could go wrong. I'm not a nihilist by any means.

 

[wagner2029]

I don't see it as a matter of opinion, I see it as a disease like any other, like cancer, diabetes or a heart problem, these diseases can kill, like depression, I believe there can be a cure, but there can also be no cure .
I think that depression killed me, I lost this battle, but I believe that other people can win, I believe that everyone has the right to choose when to move forward or when to give up, but I will always recommend CTB as a last resort and not as a first.

 

[sserafim]

I agree. It's not fair that the minimum age for Exit International is 50. This is inherently invalidating and discriminatory towards young people. I believe that all adults should have the right to die. I shouldn't have to wait 30 years to be eligible for Exit. One shouldn't have had to live out a "full life" in order to gain the right to die.

 

[davidtorez]

The part of the brain called the prefrontal cortex that is the critical part of the organ in decision-making etc , matures at the age of 25 or thereabouts. I believe 25 plus is a good age to be able to determine whether you want to exit or not. If we don't set an age limit then how young is too young? I do also agree 100% existence is unnecessary and it is suffering which is why I'm an antinatalist

 

[MindFrog]

I'mma bit of hypocrite since I line it up with the age of consent ( at least 18 yrs. old) but i know if i were any younger I'd want to ctb already.

In a world with better ( and free) mental health care this might work. In reality, its fails most people especially the children.

 

[_Minsk]

Totally agree, a teen can be trough more than an elderly. Life doesn't care about age when it comes to trauma, ptsd or physical health issues.
Sure, things can definitely improve with age, but for some it only gets progressively worse

 

[SilentSadness]

I agree, there's no reason to believe younger people don't suffer. People always set these made up age requirements conveniently lower than their age anyway. It's just an excuse to feel superior at this point.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

The part of the brain called the prefrontal cortex that is the critical part of the organ in decision-making etc , matures at the age of 25 or thereabouts. I believe 25 plus is a good age to be able to determine whether you want to exit or not. If we don't set an age limit then how young is too young? I do also agree 100% existence is unnecessary and it is suffering which is why I'm an antinatalist

25 is not a magical number. The prefrontal cortex can continue on developing past the age of 25 and up into your late 20s. With that in mind, just because someone's prefrontal cortex isn't completely developed yet doesn't make them an idiot. If I'm allowed to vote and join the military once I'm 18, then I should be allowed to ctb if I want to.

 

[sserafim]

The part of the brain called the prefrontal cortex that is the critical part of the organ in decision-making etc , matures at the age of 25 or thereabouts. I believe 25 plus is a good age to be able to determine whether you want to exit or not. If we don't set an age limit then how young is too young? I do also agree 100% existence is unnecessary and it is suffering which is why I'm an antinatalist

What if I'm 23? I want to exit as I don't believe that adulthood is worth living. Work is modern day slavery and I would have to have to become a slave to the system

 

[davidtorez]

25 is not a magical number. The prefrontal cortex can continue on developing past the age of 25 and up into your late 20s. With that in mind, just because someone's prefrontal cortex isn't completely developed yet doesn't make them an idiot. If I'm allowed to vote and join the military once I'm 18, then I should be allowed to ctb if I want to.

It doesn't invalidate anyone's decision or make them an idiot, just using it as an arbitrary yardstick to judge a "good" age for consent to exit. As I mentioned before what would be too young? If a 10 year old wants to exit do we allow it? Or do we get parents consent ? There is no objective right or wrong in this, just opinions

 

[davidtorez]

What if I'm 23? I want to exit as I don't believe that adulthood is worth living. Work is modern day slavery and I would have to have to become a slave to the system

What if a kid is 12 or 10 years old? I understand suffering, I'm just having a discussion. Better than waiting until 50 like some end of life advocates want us to wait for.

 

[walkingdead2023]

I personally wish I died from my first attempt I was only 13 you just continue to live with pain work like a slave to follow your parents footsteps which I literally don't want to do. I think dying young is better I can never imagine myself making it to 50 I can't imagine making it to next month!!

 

[davidtorez]

I used to always believe life was pointless but not painful in my 20s. It wasn't until my mid 30s when I started having joint pains and mobility issues that I started realising that life wasn't only pointless but also painful . The pain isn't worth the pleasure. There is the famous David Benatar thought experiment that one can google about pleasure and pain which to me makes alot of Sense

 

[Meteora]

25 would be a perfect age, I think. I mean, who wants to kill himself before can still do it.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Suffering does not age-discriminate. At 44, I can tell you I wish I would have CTBed decades ago. I'm just as suicidal now as I was then. Maybe even more. I regret pressing on and "giving my life a chance" simply because I was "young". I knew it wasn't going to get better.

 

[Alfwynn]

I've wanted to die since I was 14. Now, 7 years later, I'm still suicidal. Nothing has gotten better except for my ability to articulate why I want to die. My heart goes out to all those who were never taken seriously based on nothing more than their age.

 

[davidtorez]

Suffering does not age-discriminate. At 44, I can tell you I wish I would have CTBed decades ago. I'm just as suicidal now as I was then. Maybe even more. I regret pressing on and "giving my life a chance" simply because I was "young". I knew it wasn't going to get better.

I'm 42 and i feel the same way. I wish I had done it decades ago too. SI is too strong in most of us, even though I have access to one of the best methods (N) available, I'm still pushing on and I don't know why

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

I'm 42 and i feel the same way. I wish I had done it decades ago too. SI is too strong in most of us, even though I have access to one of the best methods (N) available, I'm still pushing on and I don't know why

(N)? Ooh, I am jealous.

40 is when it REALLY starts getting bad, wouldn't you say? Time starts flying exponentially and we start to realize that if we've gone 3 or 4 decades without being able to overcome SI, we probably never will be able to...and be forced to live in this prison until natural decline takes us. I'm shivering just thinking about it. Even though've we've suffered through about 15,000 days, we still have about at least another 7500 more. Unless we're lucky enough to have the grim reaper pay a visit out of our control.

 

[Ernest1964]

So, a 15 year old girl who just broke up with her first boyfriend of three weeks can CTB? THAT just doesn't make much sense to me. She will suffer through and find another boyfriend soon enough. I don't believe that she would have the emotional maturity to make that kind of decision for herself. If that hypocrisy? OK then.

 

[davidtorez]

(N)? Ooh, I am jealous.

40 is when it REALLY starts getting bad, wouldn't you say? Time starts flying exponentially and we start to realize that if we've gone 3 or 4 decades without being able to overcome SI, we probably never will be able to...and be forced to live in this prison until natural decline takes us. I'm shivering just thinking about it. Even though've we've suffered through about 15,000 days, we still have about at least another 7500 more. Unless we're lucky enough to have the grim reaper pay a visit out of our control.

40 is DEFINITELY downhill age. For me it was mid 30s, but definitely worse now. Our bodies physically change every 7 years apparently, by way of all our atoms being replaced. In my mid 30s I was like " no way ill get to 40" . It's really bad. You become weaker , uglier , more impatient etc. How to overcome SI is the biggest question. My N is from 2018 so I can't wait around forever, it'll lose its potency after too long

 

[Meteora]

Suffering does not age-discriminate. At 44, I can tell you I wish I would have CTBed decades ago. I'm just as suicidal now as I was then. Maybe even more. I regret pressing on and "giving my life a chance" simply because I was "young". I knew it wasn't going to get better.

Same. And what hinders you to do it now?

 

[Alfwynn]

So, a 15 year old girl who just broke up with her first boyfriend of three weeks can CTB? THAT just doesn't make much sense to me. She will suffer through and find another boyfriend soon enough. I don't believe that she would have the emotional maturity to make that kind of decision for herself. If that hypocrisy? OK then.

This is a fairly separate issue. Not everyone who happens to be young has a shallow and impulsive reason for wanting to CTB. This is a nuanced issue and bottom of the line people should not be made to feel lesser because of their age. Minors are already disallowed from engaging with these kinds of sites, and I see no reason to beat them while they're down. Even casting aside the question of whether they should be 'allowed' (nobody is allowed to CTB, it's a taboo act), having someone listen to and understand them can be healing in a way.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Same. And what hinders you to do it now?

I don't want to upset my family because I know they all care for me immensely, especially my parents because they are so old and close to passing away themselves. I'm somewhat of a burden, but also one of tbe most helpful members of my family at the same time. But on the flipside, I don't want to outlive everyone in my family and have to watch them all pass either, because I love them all dearly as well. It's a great cause of anxiety for me as we all age and the time rapidly gets closer and closer.

But even besides that, I still think I would find it very difficult to do because my SI is so high. I hate it.

 

[Neon Grave]

So, a 15 year old girl who just broke up with her first boyfriend of three weeks can CTB? THAT just doesn't make much sense to me. She will suffer through and find another boyfriend soon enough. I don't believe that she would have the emotional maturity to make that kind of decision for herself. If that hypocrisy? OK then.

This is an extremely shallow assumption. You don't have to be an adult to have experienced extreme hardship, trauma, or abuse. A mentally stable 15 year old with a solid support system will not immediately think to CTB over a breakup.

I am 29 and my desire to CTB remains the same as when I was 13. This will not change until I gain access to the resources I need to follow through.

Please have empathy for others regardless of the number on their birth certificate.

 

[DreamEnd]

This is an extremely shallow assumption. You don't have to be an adult to have experienced extreme hardship, trauma, or abuse. A mentally stable 15 year old with a solid support system will not immediately think to CTB over a breakup.

I am 29 and my desire to CTB remains the same as when I was 13. This will not change until I gain access to the resources I need to follow through.

Please have empathy for others regardless of the number on their birth certificate.

I mean he is kind of right. A younger person generally speaking doesn't have enough maturity, life experience and brain development to make such a life changing decision. And in your example, I'm sure there are children who go through rape, abuse, foster care system but even in those cases they can still get help and be functional adults and recover. Children who have suicide tendencies going alll the way until the their late 20s are a significant minority who have almost always life altering and limiting complications. If you are young your options for recovery are bigger and better than for someone who is in their 30s 40s

 

[Olisop21.]

I'm a lot older 68, and have wanted to die since I was your age. I think i knew I was not normalish from my teens through today. I've od'd more times than I can count.
I've just wanted to feel comfortable in my own skin.
No matter how you feel about suicide at any age is what is right for you.

 

[LetMeBeSad]

So, a 15 year old girl who just broke up with her first boyfriend of three weeks can CTB? THAT just doesn't make much sense to me. She will suffer through and find another boyfriend soon enough. I don't believe that she would have the emotional maturity to make that kind of decision for herself. If that hypocrisy? OK then.

This a little bit of cherry picking. My grandfather raped me 6 times between the ages of 6 and 13. My first attempt was at 8. I knew I didn't want to do this life from childhood. Can teenagers be impulsive and shallow? Sure. But you will find stories like mine and worse, all over this forum. Should I have been denied my death at 8? Forced to continue under an alcoholic father that never wanted me and a grandfather that was a serial child rapist?

Also, yes. It shouldn't be your choice what someone does with their life. No matter the age. In Canada, you can become a combat medic at 16. If I could be handed a rifle and sent to kill for my country at 16, then yes, I should be allowed to kill myself as a youth too.