Help Is the N that you can order from A authentic N?

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Is the N that you can order from A authentic? Is it pure N? I need to be sure Im buying authentic stuff.

 

[Skyview]

There has been no complaints from those who purchased it .

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

There has been no complaints from those who purchased it .

Ok thank you.

 

[jgm63]

There has been no complaints from those who purchased it .

Unfortunately, this answer is very incomplete.
If you don't stay up to date on the topic, then it might be best to qualify your answer, e.g. "last I heard, but that was <x> months ago, and things can change", etc etc.

Ordering N from A may or may not turn out well.
There are many factors involved....
Do some searching on this site, and you'll see a wide variety of different outcomes and experiences.

Recently some people have been receiving items that are no longer in the original sealed bottles, which brings the shelf life into question.
Plus people have been receiving smaller quantities than expected....

So it's a very up and down, hit and miss affair.
I believe some of the N that A recently sent out is being tested, so perhaps we'll find out whether it is at least genuine, even though the shelf life and quantity issues remain.....

 

[Skyview]

Unfortunately, this answer is very incomplete.
If you don't stay up to date on the topic, then it might be best to qualify your answer, e.g. "last I heard, but that was <x> months ago, and things can change", etc etc.

Ordering N from A may or may not turn out well.
There are many factors involved....
Do some searching on this site, and you'll see a wide variety of different outcomes and experiences.

Recently some people have been receiving items that are no longer in the original sealed bottles, which brings the shelf life into question.
Plus people have been receiving smaller quantities than expected....

So it's a very up and down, hit and miss affair.
I believe some of the N that A recently sent out is being tested, so perhaps we'll find out whether it is at least genuine, even though the shelf life and quantity issues remain.....

Granted that tests are being done and we know why it's not in original sealed bottles , I reiterate, that there have been no complaints . Powder from China is lower purity than what is claimed and tests have shown this, yet it is more than sufficient for the task at hand !

 

[Ark]

There has been several complaints. On here and other forums. I plan to make a thread tonight or tomorrow with a lot more detail. Until then you can PM me for details. There are 5 members here who have not gotten what we believed we were getting. That is not to say it's not N. But I am saying please be cautious for a little bit until I make the thread. I will shoot for tonight, I have been trying to collect all the info I could before I made it.
P.s. Several people involved do not want to be named, which is very understandable. Please don't ask me for names.

 

[jgm63]

Granted that tests are being done and we know why it's not in original sealed bottles , I reiterate, that there have been no complaints . Powder from China is lower purity than what is claimed and tests have shown this, yet it is more than sufficient for the task at hand !

To someone who's not clued up on the topic, your reply sounds like the OP can feel free to go ahead and order, whereas :
> Some people may not receive the items due to items being seized
> Some people have had knocks on the door from law enforcement
> Depending on when you plan to CTB, the shelf life issue may be a concern
> If you receive less than 100ml, then the quantity issue is a MAJOR concern

So we should be advising the OP to do as much research as possible by searching on this site, to see what previous experiences have been.....

By the far the best advice would be to await the results from @Ark

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

There has been several complaints. On here and other forums. I plan to make a thread tonight or tomorrow with a lot more detail. Until then you can PM me for details. There are 5 members here who have not gotten what we believed we were getting. That is not to say it's not N. But I am saying please be cautious for a little bit until I make the thread. I will shoot for tonight, I have been trying to collect all the info I could before I made it.

Ok so perhaps I shouldn't buy anything from him then. Maybe I should go abroad to buy N? Also do you know would I need anesthesia medication if I'm taking N intravenously?

 

[Skyview]

To someone who's not clued up on the topic, your reply sounds like the OP can feel free to go ahead and order, whereas :
> Some people may not receive the items due to items being seized
> Some people have had knocks on the door from law enforcement
> Depending on when you plan to CTB, the shelf life issue may be a concern
> If you receive less than 100ml, then the quantity issue is a MAJOR concern

So we should be advising the OP to do as much research as possible by searching on this site, to see what previous experiences have been.....

By the far the best advice would be to await the results from @Ark

We have already discussed the above in DM, thank you !

 

[Ark]

I personally have no idea what would be needed for intravenous application. Have not researched it at all as ingestion seems easy enough for me personally.

@Skyview I have no idea why it's not in the original bottles. I will PM you if you have the answer to that. And yes there are several complaints, actually a few people are extremely stressed over not getting what they were expecting. Myself included.

@jgm63 being cautious here is well warranted. And not too mention the research advice is good advice in general.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

I personally have no idea what would be needed for intravenous application. Have not researched it at all as ingestion seems easy enough for me personally.

@Skyview I have no idea why it's not in the original bottles. I will PM you if you have the answer to that. And yes there are several complaints, actually a few people are extremely stressed over not getting what they were expecting. Myself included.

@jgm63 being cautious here is well warranted. And not too mention the research advice is good advice in general.

Ok someone who is possibly a veterinarian told me if im doing it intravenously i would need anesthesia along with N to stop myself feeling pain. Yes ingestion is easy, I'm just really turned off by the taste of N.

 

[jgm63]

Ok someone who is possibly a veterinarian told me if im doing it intravenously i would need anesthesia along with N to stop myself feeling pain. Yes ingestion is easy, I'm just really turned off by the taste of N.

I did a mini write-up of the N protocol :

Spoiler: n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes.27092/

There's also quite a bit of info in additional posts within that thread (at some point I may re-consolidate).

In the "Resources" section of that guide you'll see a link to a "taste guide" that has various ideas about handling the taste aspect, so perhaps that might help....

It is generally thought that 100ml of liquid N is enough (especially if your weight is medium or light), which should be easier to drink than 200ml....


Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. With the right help things can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

Unfortunately, this answer is very incomplete.
If you don't stay up to date on the topic, then it might be best to qualify your answer, e.g. "last I heard, but that was <x> months ago, and things can change", etc etc.

Ordering N from A may or may not turn out well.
There are many factors involved....
Do some searching on this site, and you'll see a wide variety of different outcomes and experiences.

Recently some people have been receiving items that are no longer in the original sealed bottles, which brings the shelf life into question.
Plus people have been receiving smaller quantities than expected....

So it's a very up and down, hit and miss affair.
I believe some of the N that A recently sent out is being tested, so perhaps we'll find out whether it is at least genuine, even though the shelf life and quantity issues remain.....

All I know is the bottle that came for me is the original bottle. But, 2 people have received plastic bottles op

 

[Ark]

Three people now

 

[k75]

Ok so perhaps I shouldn't buy anything from him then. Maybe I should go abroad to buy N? Also do you know would I need anesthesia medication if I'm taking N intravenously?

There was a guy on here who went all over South America trying to buy N and wasn't successful.

 

[jgm63]

There was a guy on here who went all over South America trying to buy N and wasn't successful.

I think it apparently can help hugely if you speak the local language.... So perhaps hiring someone to help could be a way of doing things....

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

There was a guy on here who went all over South America trying to buy N and wasn't successful.

Ok so is there nowhere to go then?

 

[Meant2Die]

Ok someone who is possibly a veterinarian told me if im doing it intravenously i would need anesthesia along with N to stop myself feeling pain. Yes ingestion is easy, I'm just really turned off by the taste of N.

Pain from what?
Clearly this "Vet" doesn't know what a barbiturate is...

 

[jgm63]

We have already discussed the above in DM, thank you !

That's great and thank you for being so helpful, but we should also try to leave accurate info on the thread (insofar as the forum rules allow) for other people who come along and read it....

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Pain from what?
Clearly this "Vet" doesn't know what a barbiturate is...

They said a burning & warm sensation when it goes through the vein

 

[Skyview]

That's great and thank you for being so helpful, but we should also try to leave accurate info on the thread (insofar as the forum rules allow) for other people who come along and read it....

Agreed , we all try to help one another . I try and point people to the N thread first and ask them to ask questions after reading .

 

[Farmmaa]

They said a burning & warm sensation when it goes through the vein

Most anything being injected into your vein is going to give you the same sensation.

N is produced to be used intravenously for animal anesthesia and euthanasia.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Most anything being injected into your vein is going to give you the same sensation.

N is produced to be used intravenously for animal anesthesia and euthanasia.

Ok well it's the first I've heard of it. The end of life clinics don't mention anything about it burning you & they give it intravenously.

Ok only for animals?

 

[Farmmaa]

Ok well it's the first I've heard of it. The end of life clinics don't mention anything about it burning you & they give it intravenously.

Ok only for animals?

The N that comes in the 200 ml bottles is not what most veterinarians use... at least not here.
The use a formulation specifically for IV injection and it comes in small glass vials.

 

[noctiva]

Ok someone who is possibly a veterinarian told me if im doing it intravenously i would need anesthesia along with N to stop myself feeling pain. Yes ingestion is easy, I'm just really turned off by the taste of N.

As I said the pain comes from the pH difference: physiological pH of blood 7.35-7.45. PH of Nembutal 9.5. This is a huge pH difference. For human injection, acceptable pH is 7.0 - 8.0, with the express understanding that the fringe values of this range are to be avoided if at all possible.
For animal euthanasia, we inject a 50/50 mixture of N and lidocaine (local anesthetic) ip for rodents, for iv cats/ dogs even get a sedative before/ at the same time in addition, with the express purpose to NOT have the animals feel discomfort or pain.

Injecting yourself as you described it is a VERY bad idea. According to your own words, you will have a friend who has had nothing but first aid training help you to inject N intravenously into your arm vein. This is downright naive and dangerous, I'm sorry for my bluntness here.
First you endanger your friend to pursuit by law enforcement for murder, even if you explicitly declare beforehand that that is what you want. Please inform your friend of this beforehand.
Secondly, first aid training does not include training to inject substances, especially not intravenously. So many things can go wrong here, injection location, injection speed..
Thirdly with almost 200 pounds, the amount to inject is insane for the arm vein, which is rather tiny, especially if you do add an anesthetic to it.

As I did in chat yesterday: I implore you to please consider a different way. Don't endanger yourself, and if you have to, at least don't endanger others!

The N that comes in the 200 ml bottles is not what most veterinarians use... at least not here.
The use a formulation specifically for IV injection and it comes in small glass vials.

Precisely! For iv you either mix it yourself in a syringe, or you can buy it premixed.
Pentobarbital alone is not injected in the EU as far as I know, we have to add an anesthetic to it.
For drinking however it is fine.
If you watch documentaries on euthanasia in the Netherlands, you will see intravenous injections. Patients first receive a sedative to knock them out, then they receive the lethal cocktail. Same goes for death penalty in the US, I think.
EDIT: In the documentaries you can see that it is being injected into the arm vein, however, you can see how small the volumes are. If you take the Pisabental that A ships, you will end up with a much larger volume, as it only has 60mg/ml pentobarbital.

 

[liverpoolfan]

I always wonder why more veterinarian clinics aren't robbed. People pay hundreds of dollars to order from Mexico not even knowing if they're going to get it.
There's probably loads of it in your local vet's office, right? And it's hardly like breaking into a bank.

 

[jgm63]

I always wonder why more veterinarian clinics aren't robbed. People pay hundreds of dollars to order from Mexico not even knowing if they're going to get it.
There's probably loads of it in your local vet's office, right? And it's hardly like breaking into a bank.

Okay, well if you decide to put it to the test then feel free to update us on the outcome....
On the other hand if you decide not to do it then perhaps you are answering your own question....

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

As I said the pain comes from the pH difference: physiological pH of blood 7.35-7.45. PH of Nembutal 9.5. This is a huge pH difference. For human injection, acceptable pH is 7.0 - 8.0, with the express understanding that the fringe values of this range are to be avoided if at all possible.
For animal euthanasia, we inject a 50/50 mixture of N and lidocaine (local anesthetic) ip for rodents, for iv cats/ dogs even get a sedative before/ at the same time in addition, with the express purpose to NOT have the animals feel discomfort or pain.

Injecting yourself as you described it is a VERY bad idea. According to your own words, you will have a friend who has had nothing but first aid training help you to inject N intravenously into your arm vein. This is downright naive and dangerous, I'm sorry for my bluntness here.
First you endanger your friend to pursuit by law enforcement for murder, even if you explicitly declare beforehand that that is what you want. Please inform your friend of this beforehand.
Secondly, first aid training does not include training to inject substances, especially not intravenously. So many things can go wrong here, injection location, injection speed..
Thirdly with almost 200 pounds, the amount to inject is insane for the arm vein, which is rather tiny, especially if you do add an anesthetic to it.

As I did in chat yesterday: I implore you to please consider a different way. Don't endanger yourself, and if you have to, at least don't endanger others!


Precisely! For iv you either mix it yourself in a syringe, or you can buy it premixed.
Pentobarbital alone is not injected in the EU as far as I know, we have to add an anesthetic to it.
For drinking however it is fine.
If you watch documentaries on euthanasia in the Netherlands, you will see intravenous injections. Patients first receive a sedative to knock them out, then they receive the lethal cocktail. Same goes for death penalty in the US, I think.
EDIT: In the documentaries you can see that it is being injected into the arm vein, however, you can see how small the volumes are. If you take the Pisabental that A ships, you will end up with a much larger volume, as it only has 60mg/ml pentobarbital.

What exactly is the pain that I will feel? Nembutal is a barbiturate isant it? It's also a sedative isan't it? & it numbs you like anesthesia like when you are going for surgery so what pain would I feel exactly? Is this a separate pain to the burning pain i feel when it goes into my vein? Where can I get licodaine? Do you know where I can get it?


What other way do I have to use? Just drink it?

Where can I buy it premixed? Why do you not need an anesthetic if you are drinking it? I was told Nembutal is a sedative in itself. So I'm supposed to be taking a smaller volume if im receiving it intravenously?

 

[noctiva]

What exactly is the pain that I will feel? Nembutal is a barbiturate isant it? It's also a sedative isan't it? & it numbs you like anesthesia like when you are going for surgery so what pain would I feel exactly? Is this a separate pain to the burning pain i feel when it goes into my vein? Where can I get licodaine? Do you know where I can get it?


What other way do I have to use? Just drink it?

Where can I buy it premixed? Why do you not need an anesthetic if you are drinking it? I was told Nembutal is a sedative in itself. So I'm supposed to be taking a smaller volume if im receiving it intravenously?

I'll copy my PM to you here, as you've shared the same information in chat, PM and in this thread:
I do not know how to help you. You sound distressed, you sound scared. You do not want to die alone and you do not want any pain and you do not want to drink anything that tastes unpleasant.
To me, it sounds like you are very scared of dying and have not done your research for suitable methods. I think you need to do both very carefully before you proceed with anything. I wish you all the best, be kind to yourself along the way and treat yourself kindly.

I'll add: as I told you yesterday, you need to calculate how much you need to inject, which, as I told you yesterday, you'll find in the pentobarbital safety data sheet. It tells you the doses for different animals with different ways of administration. Check it out, do your research, know what you are doing. I'm happy to check your calculations for you, but you seem to be unwilling to do your own research based on the fact that you just repeat the same questions despite being given the sources for the answers.


I will also again voice my doubts about his medical competency. Intravenous or intraarterial injections are not part of first aid. Sub c and im might be, in advanced cases, but intravenous and intraarterial injections are dangerous and difficult. That's why nurses and doctors practise that for years. The laymen really good at it are usually intravenous drug users, if your friends falls into that category, maybe he knows what he is doing.
Please reconsider involving your friend. If you need someone there and he can do so safely and he wants to be there, maybe. But taking the active part to end your life, at least in my view, should be solely in your hands and in your hands alone.
You have access to loads of methods and loads of material here in the forum and the whole Internet at your disposal for research. Use it.
I wish you all the best.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

I'll copy my PM to you here, as you've shared the same information in chat, PM and in this thread:
I do not know how to help you. You sound distressed, you sound scared. You do not want to die alone and you do not want any pain and you do not want to drink anything that tastes unpleasant.
To me, it sounds like you are very scared of dying and have not done your research for suitable methods. I think you need to do both very carefully before you proceed with anything. I wish you all the best, be kind to yourself along the way and treat yourself kindly.

I'll add: as I told you yesterday, you need to calculate how much you need to inject, which, as I told you yesterday, you'll find in the pentobarbital safety data sheet. It tells you the doses for different animals with different ways of administration. Check it out, do your research, know what you are doing. I'm happy to check your calculations for you, but you seem to be unwilling to do your own research based on the fact that you just repeat the same questions despite being given the sources for the answers.


I will also again voice my doubts about his medical competency. Intravenous or intraarterial injections are not part of first aid. Sub c and im might be, in advanced cases, but intravenous and intraarterial injections are dangerous and difficult. That's why nurses and doctors practise that for years. The laymen really good at it are usually intravenous drug users, if your friends falls into that category, maybe he knows what he is doing.
Please reconsider involving your friend. If you need someone there and he can do so safely and he wants to be there, maybe. But taking the active part to end your life, at least in my view, should be solely in your hands and in your hands alone.
You have access to loads of methods and loads of material here in the forum and the whole Internet at your disposal for research. Use it.
I wish you all the best.

Can we please talk in PM? Thank you.