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Olach

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Feb 4, 2019
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Hello everyone, I've seen similar topic discussed in the thread " sn megathread".
I would like to ask you if SN is so painful to call emergency before death. Thanks in advance
The most common.symptoms of SN poisoning are headache, vomiting, vertigo and convulsions
 
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I don't think anyone can answer that with clarity. There are some users here who claim to have taken it and then been rescued by emergency services, but I would take any unverified accounts you read with a large pinch of salt (no pun intended). In a recent livestream by Exit International, Philip Nitschke says they have reviewed accounts of 6 deaths that have occurred with SN. He says that sodium azide definitely causes a headache, and he seems less certain about sodium nitrite.
 
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i think most of the times people who were rescued by the ambulance were found too early or they got emotional and told someone
 
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JustOverIt

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Nov 8, 2018
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Hello everyone, I've seen similar topic discussed in the thread " sn megathread".
I would like to ask you if SN is so painful to call emergency before death. Thanks in advance
The most common.symptoms of SN poisoning are headache, vomiting, vertigo and convulsions

There's no evidence to suggest it is very painful. If anything, those that have called emergency services after taking SN have probably freaked out. SN may be somewhat peaceful but you are dying after all.
 
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Olach

Student
Feb 4, 2019
113
There's no evidence to suggest it is very painful. If anything, those that have called emergency services after taking SN have probably freaked out. SN may be somewhat peaceful but you are dying after all.
But there are some resources that claim different reaction in different people.
This is tje post of @Bentham
Sodium nitrite food poisoning in one family
Forensic Science Medicine and Pathology · October 2018
Cvetković, D., Živković, V., Lukić, V., & Nikolić, S.
A neighbor, who was a butcher, brought some homemade sausages to two spouses (a 70-year-old man and 53-year old woman). They ate some of them for lunch around 13:00. Shortly after lunch, in the afternoon, they started feeling ill and both experienced headache, malaise, dizziness, walking instability, nausea, and vomiting. During the same evening the man experienced chest pain, and shortly after suddenly collapsed and died around 20:00. ... Death was attributed to the exacerbation of hypertensive and ischemic heart disease, resulting from accidental sodium nitrite poisoning.

Two cases of methemoglobinaemia caused by suspected sodium nitrite poisoning
Veterinaria Italiana 44(2):439-53 · April 2008
Matteucci O, Diletti G, Prencipe V, Di Giannatale E, Marconi MM, Migliorati G.
At about 1.00 pm on 22 September 2006, in the province of Teramo, a woman aged 40 (body weight about 70 kg) and her nine-year-old son (body weight about 50 kg) were taken seriously ill 10‐15 min after lunch. The mother reported a cold sensation and presented cyanotic lips, chest constriction and tachycardia. The son presented cyanosis of the lips and hands, chest constriction and loss of consciousness.

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning
Case Reports in Emergency Medicine Volume 2016, Article ID 9013816, 3 pages
Kenichi Katabami, Mineji Hayakawa, and Satoshi Gando
A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. ... On the second day of admission, the patient was extubated. He then recalled intentionally ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before ambulance call.

Methemoglobinemia Following Unintentional Ingestion of Sodium Nitrite --- New York, 2002
Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) July 26, 2002 / 51(29);639-642
On May 16, 2002, Yonkers, New York, emergency personnel were called to a household in which five adults of Middle Eastern descent (three men aged 40, 43, and 44 years and two women aged 60 and 29 years) reported symptoms of dizziness, lightheadedness, and cyanosis almost immediately after sharing a meal. Two of the men also reported vomiting. A sixth person, a man aged 21 years, who did not eat the meal, was asymptomatic.
On arrival, the first responders found the younger woman unresponsive; all others were awake and alert. En route to the hospital, both women had progressive respiratory distress and loss of consciousness and were intubated; the older woman began having seizures.

Fatal methaemoglobinaemia induced by self-poisoning with sodium nitrite
Emerg Med Australas. 2010 Oct;22(5):463-5
Harvey M, Cave G, Chanwai G.
A 76-year-old man collapsed and rapidly developed brady-asystolic cardiac arrest 25 min following self-poisoning with an unknown quantity of crystalline sodium nitrite. On arrival in the ED the patient was asystolic with cardiopulmonary resuscitation in progress.

Deadly meatballs—a near fatal case ofmethaemoglobinaemia
THE NEW ZEALANDMEDICAL JOURNALVol 119 No 1239
Ali Khan, Adrienne Adams, Greg Simmons, Timothy Sutton
Earlier on the evening of admission the patient had eaten microwave-heated meatballs. About an hour later he vomited then lost consciousness.

Fatal methaemoglobinaemia in a dental nurse. A case of sodium nitrite poisoning.
Br J Gen Pract. 1990 Nov; 40(340): 470–471.
W J Gowans
Miss H, a 17 year old dental nurse, was admitted to the casualty department at 18.30 hours after being found at home in an hysterical condition and bright blue. On admission she had central cyanosis, tachycardia and tachypnoea. Her chest was clear and she had a systolic blood pressure of 90 mmHg.
No history was obtainable from her but her boyfriend reported that she had been fit and well earlier in the day and that he had not seen any evidence of drug ingestion at her house.
Fifteen minutes after admission she vomited, aspirated and suffered a respiratory arrest....
by 19.30 hours her blood pressure was unrecordable ... She was certified dead at 20.30 hours, two hours after admission.
IN THE SUMMARY PART THE AUTHOR MENTIONED "TAKING A SINGLE 1 G TABLET OF SODIUM NITRITE" BUT THE REASONING BEHIND IT SEEMS WEAK. see the last paragraph of P. 470.

Seven Cases of Poisoning by Sodium Nitrite
South African Medical Journal 36.1 (1962)
M. L. FREEDMAN
Within 30 minutes of their meal, all the adults experienced palpitation and a sensation of constriction in the throat followed by headache, dizziness and numbness of the finger. There was epigastric discomfort and some nausea but no diarrhoea, vomiting or colic. They all became somewhat drowsy. The headaohe was disturbing and was described as throbbing and bounding.

Accidental poisoning of two laboratory technologists with sodium nitrite.
Clin Chem. 1981 Jun;27(6):1145-6.
J J Aquanno, K M Chan, D N Dietzler
Case one: A 21 -year-old woman was in good health until 30 mm after eating her breakfast in the hematology laboratory of an adjoining pediatric hospital, when she noted the onset of symptoms, which she described as a throbbing roaring sound in her ears. She started work but had to stop because of threatening syncope. She also noticed rapid and strong palpitations as well as a generalized tingling sensation. She induced herself to vomit and presented herself at the Barnes Hospital emergency room. Upon examination, she was noted to have marked cyanosis of the fingertips, lips, and face. A presumptive diagnosis of methemoglobinemia was reinforced when a sample of her blood remained chocolate-brown when ex- posed to air.
Case two: This 34-year-old woman was a co-worker of the other patient. In good health until shortly after eating breakfast in the same laboratory with her, she began to feel weak with diaphoresis and nausea. She also noticed numbness and tingling in her arms and legs. At the Barnes Hospital emergency room, she was found to be short of breath, tachycardic (130 beats/mm), and cyanotic in the arms, legs, lips, and face.

Outbreak of Sodium Nitrite Poisoning
Am J Public Health Nations Health. 1945 Nov; 35(11): 1217–1220.
Morris Greenberg, William B. Birnkrant, and Joseph J. Schiftner
In each instance illness occurred within 5 to 30 minutes after eating breakfast in a cafeteria on Chatham Square. All were between 60 and 80 years of age and all were of the derelict type, living in cheap rooming houses on the Bowery. Seven of those ill lived in the same rooming house; the other four lived in different rooming houses of the same type, and were unacquainted with each other. The clinical picture was similar in all. Within 5 to 30 minutes after breakfast, the involved individuals became dizzy, felt weak, and complained of abdominal cramps. Eight of them vomited and all had diarrhea. Five of them became unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms.
 
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Walilamdzi

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@Olach They might have ingested a lot less than lethal dose dissolved in water, as it was accidental in those cases. Symptoms from accidental cases sound very unpleasant though.
 
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JustOverIt

JustOverIt

Experienced
Nov 8, 2018
270
But there are some resources that claim different reaction in different people.

Yes that is true, but none of them followed the standard SN method (anti-emetic + anti-acid+SN). All of them except 2 were accidental ingestion. Not enough information is given for the account that took 15g and the other is a report of someone taking 1g. I would also argue that adding any anti- anxiety/ sedative benzodiazepine to the mix would significantly add to a peaceful outcome.
 
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Olach

Student
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Yes that is true, but none of them followed the standard SN method (anti-emetic + anti-acid+SN). All of them except 2 were accidental ingestion. Not enough information is given for the account that took 15g and the other is a report of someone taking 1g. I would also argue that adding any anti- anxiety/ sedative benzodiazepine to the mix would significantly add to a peaceful outcome.
Yes, that sounds like good idea to combine benzos and sn
In any case if the attempt is painful that much, you can call the ambulance. SN doesn't cause any permanent damage
 
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JustOverIt

Experienced
Nov 8, 2018
270
Yes, that sounds like good idea to combine benzos and sn
In any case if the attempt is painful that much, you can call the ambulance. SN doesn't cause any permanent damage

The pain (if any) is short lived. I doubt you will be conscious after 30mins.
 
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Mich517

Ex-musician
Jan 9, 2019
139
Hello everyone, I've seen similar topic discussed in the thread " sn megathread".
I would like to ask you if SN is so painful to call emergency before death. Thanks in advance
The most common.symptoms of SN poisoning are headache, vomiting, vertigo and convulsions
Actually there isn't any pain; you will vomit (if you don't take any anti-emetics), be not very conscious, having seizures and kind of paralysis in your legs (obviously not permanent) so calling for emergency could be impossible. I remember my attempt. However, I can't write what would happen if you don't vomit.
 
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Kikoo Loool

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Hey @Mich517, nice to see ya again!
 
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Walilamdzi

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@Mich517 Was there any way not to vomit or you felt overwhelmingly nauseous? Aren't the seizures painful?
 
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Mich517

Ex-musician
Jan 9, 2019
139
@Mich517 Was there any way not to vomit or you felt overwhelmingly nauseous? Aren't the seizures painful?
I had to throw up right after drinking Sodium Nitrite (dissolved in DMSO). Later I was still feeling nauseous so I vomited a few more times. Seizures weren't painful. Only nausea were a little unpleasant.
 
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Jessica-

Experienced
Mar 26, 2019
263
Sorry to go slightly off-topic, does anyone know what happened to the @Qbert thread where he live blogged his SN attempt failure earlier?
I had to throw up right after drinking Sodium Nitrite (dissolved in DMSO). Later I was still feeling nauseous so I vomited a few more times. Seizures weren't painful. Only nausea were a little unpleasant.

Did you not take anti-e and is there any lasting damage?
 
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Mich517

Ex-musician
Jan 9, 2019
139
Did you not take anti-e and is there any lasting damage?
I didn't take any anti-emetics, I thought that DMSO do the job.
I don't feel any damage now. My attempt was about 1-2 months ago. However, I've read somewhere something about SN that it is cancerogenic, but I'm not sure.
 
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Jessica-

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Mar 26, 2019
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I didn't take any anti-emetics, I thought that DMSO do the job.
I don't feel any damage now. My attempt was about 1-2 months ago. However, I've read somewhere something about SN that it is cancerogenic, but I'm not sure.

Thks for your reply, what is DMSO?
 
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Mich517

Ex-musician
Jan 9, 2019
139
Thks for your reply, what is DMSO?
I don't know much about it; I know that it is substance for treatment by applying on skin, liquid above 17-18 Celsius. I've read thread about mix SN with it to ctb so I've tried that.
 
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DarkStar1

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I don't think anyone can answer that with clarity. There are some users here who claim to have taken it and then been rescued by emergency services, but I would take any unverified accounts you read with a large pinch of salt (no pun intended). In a recent livestream by Exit International, Philip Nitschke says they have reviewed accounts of 6 deaths that have occurred with SN. He says that sodium azide definitely causes a headache, and he seems less certain about sodium nitrite.
Azide gets a 6 for peacefulness and SN a 7. I"m not sure how many people and accurate this data is based on as well as how subjective it is. In terms of reliability, SN gets a 6 at the beginning of PPeH and a 7 in the chart at the end. So it gets somewhere between 13 - 14 for total peacefulness and reliability. Whereas azide gets a 9 for reliability and a 6 for peacefulness, which is a total of 15.
 
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Jessica-

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Azide gets a 6 for peacefulness and SN a 7. I"m not sure how many people and accurate this data is based on as well as how subjective it is. In terms of reliability, SN gets a 6 at the beginning of PPeH and a 7 in the chart at the end. So it gets somewhere between 13 - 14 for total peacefulness and reliability. Whereas azide gets a 9 for reliability and a 6 for peacefulness, which is a total of 15.

I think in the latest PPeH, the reliability of SN is 6 in the charts whereas it was higher before. I wonder why they have lowered the score. If I remember correctly, of all the methods in the book, only insulin has a lower reliability score of 5.
 
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AveryConure

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May 11, 2018
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I still don't know if I'm going to go through with it soon but I guess I'll find that out sooner or later? Idk

Also damn I can't help but feel like a lot of those accidental SN ingestion cases could be a huuuuggeee fucking lawsuit if they wanted to go through with that.
 
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JustOverIt

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Nov 8, 2018
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Actually there isn't any pain; you will vomit (if you don't take any anti-emetics), be not very conscious, having seizures and kind of paralysis in your legs (obviously not permanent) so calling for emergency could be impossible. I remember my attempt. However, I can't write what would happen if you don't vomit.

It is rare that we have someone commenting with firsthand experience of SN ingestion. Thankyou for your contribution Mich. Can I ask what are the seizures like? Are they scary/confronting?
I still don't know if I'm going to go through with it soon but I guess I'll find that out sooner or later? Idk

Also damn I can't help but feel like a lot of those accidental SN ingestion cases could be a huuuuggeee fucking lawsuit if they wanted to go through with that.

Lmao yeah that lawsuit would be a doozy
 
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Quinlor

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The problem I see reading the comments is that you not lose the consciousness easily in this method. Am I right?
 
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JustOverIt

Experienced
Nov 8, 2018
270
The problem I see reading the comments is that you not lose the consciousness easily in this method. Am I right?

From most of the firsthand experiences posted on this forum and from the PPEH it is reported you lose consciousness at 30 mins roughly. But this might differ somewhat depending on your age and health.
 
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Mich517

Ex-musician
Jan 9, 2019
139
It is rare that we have someone commenting with firsthand experience of SN ingestion. Thankyou for your contribution Mich. Can I ask what are the seizures like? Are they scary/confronting?
It rather wasn't scary for me although I was trying to typing on this forum then but I couldn't. Also my vision was as though moving from one point to another but I should be able to typing regardless because customarily I don't need to look at keyboard, so I know that my hands were convulsing. Additionally I wasn't very aware what was happening then.
The problem I see reading the comments is that you not lose the consciousness easily in this method. Am I right?
I didn't black out but I wasn't very conscious after my attempt so I think you will lose consciousness easily if you don't vomit.
 
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Feb 25, 2019
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I didn't take any anti-emetics, I thought that DMSO do the job.
I don't feel any damage now. My attempt was about 1-2 months ago. However, I've read somewhere something about SN that it is cancerogenic, but I'm not sure.
Yes, I read in newspaper that the SN used in cooked pork meat is cancerogenic.
 
Quinlor

Quinlor

The stranger
Feb 21, 2019
1,060
This guy was the only survivor out of a 3-man suicide pact because he couldn't take the pain and called the ambulance. They swallowed the SN without anything else.
If you take morphine (or a medicine base on) before SN maybe you would feel better.
 
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Olach

Student
Feb 4, 2019
113
This guy was the only survivor out of a 3-man suicide pact because he couldn't take the pain and called the ambulance. They swallowed the SN without anything else.
That's exactly my story - son of migrants with no social life and with a lot of problems
If you take morphine (or a medicine base on) before SN maybe you would feel better.
Maybe benzos could make the work ?
 
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Silasruin

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May 7, 2019
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I didn't take any anti-emetics, I thought that DMSO do the job.
I don't feel any damage now. My attempt was about 1-2 months ago. However, I've read somewhere something about SN that it is cancerogenic, but I'm not sure.
What dosage of SN did you take?
 

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