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I don't see how Nitrite gets a Peacefulness of 7 while Azide gets a Peacefulness of 6. They also have zero verified azide accounts so how can they even rate Azide as peacefulness of 6? And cyanide 5?

Azide is not faster than SN from what I read. One person was gone at 4 hours and they took 9 GRAMS! Some were gone at 8 hours after ingestion.

PPH says to take like 3 GRAMS and it's faster than SN. Doesn't seem like they know what they're talking about.
 
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They know more than us, but that's still not a lot. Also I wouldn't take those numbers too seriously. They aren't a precise, scientificly measured number and more of a guideline.
 
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Those numbers are an arbitrary guess.
 
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They know more than us, but that's still not a lot. Also I wouldn't take those numbers too seriously. They aren't a precise, scientificly measured number and more of a guideline.

But the effects of Sodium Azide seem so brutal and speed is not really proven.

This is just insane "A 52-year-old male ingested 1.5 to 2g of sodium azide and survived for 40 hours." That's the dose they give in the book.
 
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I don't know much about the method. From what I understand, it starves your cells of oxygen. That's not entirely without discomfort but still lies within the realm of 'relatively peaceful'. Also my copy says to take 2-3 grams.
 
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There is a bit of rivalry between the Exit International Group and a Dutch organisation called CLW who were big supporters of Azide. Peaceful score comes from alleged reports of fairly severe headaches with it but the reliability is high as there is no antidote or treatment even if you are found.
 
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Seems way to long to die for me.
Is it pain free though?
There is a bit of rivalry between the Exit International Group and a Dutch organisation called CLW who were big supporters of Azide. Peaceful score comes from alleged reports of fairly severe headaches with it but the reliability is high as there is no antidote or treatment even if you are found.
Plus you can get easier than SN as I just looked.
 
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It's easier to get, needs a smaller amount and has no known antidote. Although headaches are described as severe compared to SN's, reportedly mild headaches. Also the stuff can react with other chemicals in dangerous ways. I personally found SN the better choice.
 
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Seems way to long to die for me.
Is it pain free though?

Plus you can get easier than SN as I just looked.

How is Azide easier to get than SN?

It's easier to get, needs a smaller amount and has no known antidote. Although headaches are described as severe compared to SN's, reportedly mild headaches. Also the stuff can react with other chemicals in dangerous ways. I personally found SN the better choice.

It has burned people's faces in lab accidents. Imagine what it does to your insides.

Also Azide has plenty of restrictions on it.
 
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I just found it on amazon for like 12 bucks. It does seem to be easier to find than SN. And what's this about burning people's faces? It's a salt. It doesn't do that. It can create explosive compounds when it interacts with certain metals. Keep it in the plastic container it comes with and nothing will explode. Use a plastic spoon to portion it out and so on. The PPH goes over this.
 
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I just found it on amazon for like 12 bucks. It does seem to be easier to find than SN. And what's this about burning people's faces? It's a salt. It doesn't do that. It can create explosive compounds when it interacts with certain metals. Keep it in the plastic container it comes with and nothing will explode. Use a plastic spoon to portion it out and so on. The PPH goes over this.


It exploded as soon as the student put the azide in water.
 
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"Chemistry department chairman Daniel Talham said typically the mixture wouldn't be explosive when the chemicals are handled property, so an investigation into the incident is expected to add information on the cause."

That's from the article. There must have been some kind of contamination or error in the lab. The laws of science dictate that sodium azide doesn't explode when it's mixed with water.

That said, it's because of it's potential create explosive compounds under certain conditions that I chose against using it. Not because I felt I couldn't store and use it properly, but because I don't know what's going to happen after I die. I wouldn't want anyone I know of an emergency worker being hurt because the salt reacted in a way I didn't anticipate or something unual happened after I died.

Edit: I re-read the PPH bit on sodium azide and it actually mentions specifically the chemical properties that lead to explosion. It's not the sodium azide itself, but when the sodium azide turns into hydrazoic acid, a shock sensitive explosive. That's probably what the unfortunate chemist accidentally synthesized. I'm not a chemist and I don't specifically know how sodium azide turns into hydrazoic acid, but the PPH mentions no contact with metals, so I assume that would be the culprit.

Double Edit: I missed the bit where it says acidification of the solution will produce hydazoic acid. So that means the explosive acid would be produced in your stomach after swallowing the salt solution, but I imagine in too small amount to be of any real risk of explosion. If my shitty science holds up, 3grams of sodium azide would make about 2 grams of hydrazoic acid. I don't know how much of a bang that would make, even if you could give it proper ignition somehow.
 
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Thank you all for your informations. It's difficult to know exactly how peaceful or not SA could be. In the PPeH, it's written that CLW had testimonies about 12 suicides SA ingestion. All died, 10 were peaceful and two (probably) suffered during two hours. No mention of any explosion.
Does anyone have an idea about the sequels it can cause in case of survival?
 
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I just found it on amazon for like 12 bucks. It does seem to be easier to find than SN. And what's this about burning people's faces? It's a salt. It doesn't do that. It can create explosive compounds when it interacts with certain metals. Keep it in the plastic container it comes with and nothing will explode. Use a plastic spoon to portion it out and so on. The PPH goes over this.
Thank you all for your informations. It's difficult to know exactly how peaceful or not SA could be. In the PPeH, it's written that CLW had testimonies about 12 suicides SA ingestion. All died, 10 were peaceful and two (probably) suffered during two hours. No mention of any explosion.
Does anyone have an idea about the sequels it can cause in case of survival?

Is that in the Sept 2019 PPeH? Sequels yes there's a risk of permanent loss of sight because it causes transient vision loss acutely and severe heart and brain necrosis.

The dangerous acid is produced the second it hits water. Imagine a freak accident where someone takes SA and their insides go boom. Not so peaceful.
 
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Yes it's written in Sept 2019 PPeH and it's reassuring. Aren't we dead before having severe heart and brain necrosis? There's no mention about the possibility that our insides go boom.
 
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It exploded as soon as the student put the azide in water.
There might be some people that I have more confidence in sodium azide, but I keep reading in so many articles...and especially after reading the article you included, that it's so potentially dangerous if someone doesn't know details Such as that it's sensitive to metals? I don't know about you, but I'm relieved that I'm trying to learn more before making a final decision on the method. I would be way too scared for myself anyway, I certainly don't want to handle anything that could explode, that would be even worse than when I'm feeling now. I would rather stick with SN etc.

of course knowing my luck, nothing will work for me to leave my body again. I had even taken a hammer to 10 castor beans in a plastic bag to make sure they were crushed and swallowed them, then I wasn't conscious for two days and woke up with yellow skin... Which finally faded after about 11 days, now I look normal. At least on the outside.

Apparently God is keeping his promised threat of not letting me die before it's my time, wow, ridiculous.

Maybe I'm just not brave enough for SA, thanks for sharing the article.
 
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There might be some people that I have more confidence in sodium azide, but I keep reading in so many articles...and especially after reading the article you included, that it's so potentially dangerous if someone doesn't know details Such as that it's sensitive to metals? I don't know about you, but I'm relieved that I'm trying to learn more before making a final decision on the method. I would be way too scared for myself anyway, I certainly don't want to handle anything that could explode, that would be even worse than when I'm feeling now. I would rather stick with SN etc.

of course knowing my luck, nothing will work for me to leave my body again. I had even taken a hammer to 10 castor beans in a plastic bag to make sure they were crushed and swallowed them, then I wasn't conscious for two days and woke up with yellow skin... Which finally faded after about 11 days, now I look normal. At least on the outside.

Apparently God is keeping his promised threat of not letting me die before it's my time, wow, ridiculous.

Maybe I'm just not brave enough for SA, thanks for sharing the article.
Expand on the threat please.
 
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It seems that the pain is what keeps people from using azide. There's also the risk of it getting into contact with metals, risk to potential rescuers and slight illegality. I'm interested but slightly hesitant to order it. From the list above, only the illegality scares me. Has anyone ordered it? Were there any problems and what did the package look like?

This could be a better method than nitrite as it is faster and you probably won't need any antiemetics. No antidote is also a big plus. Even Nitschke says that the probability of vomiting is greater with nitrite, and it makes sense considering you need a much larger amount.

I wonder how bad the headache is? Could one treat it in advance with Ibuprofen?

The ratings in the PPH should not be taken as more than guidelines or very loose estimates. Especially when he gives hanging such a low score... Has he not learned of partial hanging?
 
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Expand on the threat please.
Thank you, sorry about that... i'm still learning how to post etc. it won't let me delete now so i will paste into thread now.
There might be some people that I have more confidence in sodium azide, but I keep reading in so many articles...and especially after reading the article you included, that it's so potentially dangerous if someone doesn't know details Such as that it's sensitive to metals? I don't know about you, but I'm relieved that I'm trying to learn more before making a final decision on the method. I would be way too scared for myself anyway, I certainly don't want to handle anything that could explode, that would be even worse than when I'm feeling now. I would rather stick with SN etc.

of course knowing my luck, nothing will work for me to leave my body again. I had even taken a hammer to 10 castor beans in a plastic bag to make sure they were crushed and swallowed them, then I wasn't conscious for two days and woke up with yellow skin... Which finally faded after about 11 days, now I look normal. At least on the outside.

Apparently God is keeping his promised threat of not letting me die before it's my time, wow, ridiculous.

Maybe I'm just not brave enough for SA, thanks for sharing the article.
 
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It seems that the pain is what keeps people from using azide. There's also the risk of it getting into contact with metals, risk to potential rescuers and slight illegality. I'm interested but slightly hesitant to order it. From the list above, only the illegality scares me. Has anyone ordered it? Were there any problems and what did the package look like?

This could be a better method than nitrite as it is faster and you probably won't need any antiemetics. No antidote is also a big plus. Even Nitschke says that the probability of vomiting is greater with nitrite, and it makes sense considering you need a much larger amount.

I wonder how bad the headache is? Could one treat it in advance with Ibuprofen?

The ratings in the PPH should not be taken as more than guidelines or very loose estimates. Especially when he gives hanging such a low score... Has he not learned of partial hanging?
What ratings does he give to hanging? If you can, could you please attach a screenshot?
Thank you, sorry about that... i'm still learning how to post etc. it won't let me delete now so i will paste into thread now.
There might be some people that I have more confidence in sodium azide, but I keep reading in so many articles...and especially after reading the article you included, that it's so potentially dangerous if someone doesn't know details Such as that it's sensitive to metals? I don't know about you, but I'm relieved that I'm trying to learn more before making a final decision on the method. I would be way too scared for myself anyway, I certainly don't want to handle anything that could explode, that would be even worse than when I'm feeling now. I would rather stick with SN etc.

of course knowing my luck, nothing will work for me to leave my body again. I had even taken a hammer to 10 castor beans in a plastic bag to make sure they were crushed and swallowed them, then I wasn't conscious for two days and woke up with yellow skin... Which finally faded after about 11 days, now I look normal. At least on the outside.

Apparently God is keeping his promised threat of not letting me die before it's my time, wow, ridiculous.

Maybe I'm just not brave enough for SA, thanks for sharing the article.

No, I mean what do you mean by "Gods threat"? I had question about that.
 
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I'm going to say something a bit controversial. Nitschke does a great job at a high level in respect to promoting pro-choice, I have no doubt about it. My problem is when he actually goes into detail about some methods. PN did a tweet a few years ago and the 'Sodium Salt methods'. He described SN as, and I quote ' a very poor substitute to N'. But yet in the PPH he gives it a high score as well as saying in his last live conference that he would do it. So what is it? One or the other?

After doing a fair bit of research on the regimen I question the validity of how they recommend you prepare yourself with a list of medications to give yourself. The latest inclusion is the use of a drug called propranolol to minimise the fast (but not painful) heart rate you might get. Watching the video where he mentions it, an audience member asks for the dose. You can see his face searching for a number. "2gm" he replies. Researching that drug, that dose is an overdose. The maximum a doctor will prescribe is 1.2gm over a 24 hour period. What you are doing with that recommended amount is giving you an overdose. Guess what one of the symptoms is for a propranolol overdose is? Nausea! So all that effort to take antiemetics could be undone by another pointless regiment drug.
 
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What ratings does he give to hanging? If you can, could you please attach a screenshot?
I can't find the table anywhere. It may have been in an older version of the PPH or I may simply remember wrong. I absolutely remember that somewhere in the PPH hanging was given scores in all categories, like the other methods. It scored high on reliability but very low on peacefulness. I checked the final table at the back end of the book.
I'm going to say something a bit controversial. Nitschke does a great job at a high level in respect to promoting pro-choice, I have no doubt about it. My problem is when he actually goes into detail about some methods. PN did a tweet a few years ago and the 'Sodium Salt methods'. He described SN as, and I quote ' a very poor substitute to N'. But yet in the PPH he gives it a high score as well as saying in his last live conference that he would do it. So what is it? One or the other?

After doing a fair bit of research on the regimen I question the validity of how they recommend you prepare yourself with a list of medications to give yourself. The latest inclusion is the use of a drug called propranolol to minimise the fast (but not painful) heart rate you might get. Watching the video where he mentions it, an audience member asks for the dose. You can see his face searching for a number. "2gm" he replies. Researching that drug, that dose is an overdose. The maximum a doctor will prescribe is 1.2gm over a 24 hour period. What you are doing with that recommended amount is giving you an overdose. Guess what one of the symptoms is for a propranolol overdose is? Nausea! So all that effort to take antiemetics could be undone by another pointless regiment drug.
That's not really controversial. Other people have voiced their doubts about the SN method and Nitschke's work in general.
 
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Other people have voiced their doubts about the SN method and Nitschke's work in general.
Don't get me wrong, I have big faith in the SN being a peaceful way, just don't like the fact I don't think his supporting research is cast iron in its integrity. If a simple idiot like me can find holes in the regimen then I would like to see what a practising doctor would make of it.
 
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I can't find the table anywhere. It may have been in an older version of the PPH or I may simply remember wrong.
In the March revision of PPeH it was not in the book but in one of embedded videos ("RP Test Hanging").
 

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What ratings does he give to hanging? If you can, could you please attach a screenshot?


No, I mean what do you mean by "Gods threat"? I had question about that.
thank you, I just meant by God's threat, or a promised threat to me individually and personally… When I overdosed years ago and had an NDE and a life review and a massive spiritual experience, I was basically told by God that he would continue to intervene and prevent another suicide attempt,
so far that has continued to happen to me.

Every time I try it fails and it's not necessarily because of me not doing something correctly.

Quick examples:

According to everything I've researched, I took a lethal dose of castor beans that I carefully crushed with a hammer and a plastic bag, so that the poison would actually be released in my system, Supposedly I took enough to kill three grown men, and I was apparently in a coma for a couple of days and woke up with my skin yellow for a little under two weeks and turned out just fine.

Another example would be that I carefully studied train schedules, went to the railroad section where I knew the train would be arriving when it was dark, in the middle of nowhere outside of any town, with no human being around. Within a few minutes of the sunsetting where it was almost dark, A man walking his dog arrived and almost immediately after looking at my face said "you're gonna kill yourself are you"? And I denied it of course at first, and then he said that he never takes that route, but for some reason God told him to walk his dog there that night, and that he wasn't going to leave unless I walked to store with him a mile away or he would call the police on me. I did end up walking to the store with him out of fear of the police committing me. then he basically insisted forced me to get in a taxi car that he paid for to bring me to a local hospital (Which drop me off there and then I just ran away) as he waved bye smiling and blessing me.

When I asked him how he could possibly know by someone who is just standing or walking near railroad tracks, he said literally "God told me that I was going to help someone tonight", and it really freaked me out.
Another example, to be briefer, I took over 103 amitriptyline tablets, 100 mg each, over a period of a little over a day without throwing anything up, which is supposed to be completely deathly, And let's just say they literally came out completely whole, Which is bizarre and it had a zero effect on me.

another example is Trying to drown myself, i weighted myself in a swimming pool in the backyard have a friend that I knew would be out of town, waited till it was pitch black dark with no lights on, and this place had a tall fence. I was underwater and had been for a couple of minutes and my chest was really tight and very uncomfortable and I was starting to black out a little bit, suddenly I felt something jump in the water and pull me out onto the shallow end of the pool steps and it was a giant dog. And I mean it Was freaking gigantic, and it look like a mix of possibly St. Bernard with a German Shepherd like a really weird looking big mutt with big paws. It was licking me and then it laid down and cuddled next to me, I looked around thinking maybe it somehow got through a fence door? But there was no open door, it's like it leapt over the fence. Where did it come from? And how the hell did it know I was drowning under water?
How do you explain that?
Every time I think it's fail-proof, something strange happens and I'm again "saved" against my will.
I could list other instances where I should've died, and either someone intervened or nothing happened. People might chuckle and say well that's not possible or there's no such thing, but I'm telling you it's real and it's frustrating.
 
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I'm scared AF now after I read this substance can cause explosion when water contacts it :( Please tell me this is not true because this is the only method I have at the moment and I have faith to succeed ctb with it!

I no longer consider SA either because I have read in many articles here and also independently that it becomes 'explosive' :Omaterial upon contact with certain metals as well. To me I would be too scared to use it not just because of potential injury to myself but possibly even to others which I wouldn't be able to risk. I also read that it can be a lot more painful than what I thought, I'm not an expert but it seems for me anyway to not be a viable method.

I'm sticking with SN which generally seems to leave no residual body damage if it fails and I can easily try a second time if necessary with the safer SN.
 
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I no longer consider SA either because I have read in many articles here and also independently that it becomes 'explosive' :Omaterial upon contact with certain metals as well. To me I would be too scared to use it not just because of potential injury to myself but possibly even to others which I wouldn't be able to risk. I also read that it can be a lot more painful than what I thought, I'm not an expert but it seems for me anyway to not be a viable method.

I'm sticking with SN which generally seems to leave no residual body damage if it fails and I can easily try a second time if necessary with the safer SN.

SN causes hypoxia to the brain. The people who came back without damage received emergency help. Is there a possibility of SN not being lethal but leaving someone with really bad brain damage yet alive? I've never read about a case like that but I think it's possible.
 
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I can get SA for less money than SN. In my country you can get pretty much anything you want. But ... where are the videos or documented observations... okay its lethal, and yep there is no antidote. But so is tying yourself to a pole in the middle of a pile of gas soaked wood and dropping a match. Yep you're gonna die... but it could be pretty painful and drawn out.

If SA explodes on contact with metal, well we have iron in our blood right, what if you have metal or amalgam dental work? Plus the risk to others... it just seems way to extreme.

Even though I can get veterinary grade N . I've looked at 200ml of water... no way I could drink that much N... just no way. So it looks like SN will end up being my method. I don't like SN only because vomiting can happen even with proper prep, and if you are in a secluded area where you will be alone for 8 hours (as suggested) what would happen after you were found if you puked out enough not to die? Would you recover? Or would your health be severely compromised long term?

There is always risk, there are no guarantees in life why would death be any different?

We should all have access to powdered N or other more peaceful deaths as fundamental human rites...Jeez how many times has that been said here?

Nitschke may have started off with good intentions, now IMO he is just an egomaniac selling books.
SN causes hypoxia to the brain. The people who came back without damage received emergency help. Is there a possibility of SN not being lethal but leaving someone with really bad brain damage yet alive? I've never read about a case like that but I think it's possible.
I think it's possible, I don't know how likely. I think ... It would have to be a combination of being found to late but also have puked out just enough to not be lethal scenario.
 
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