I know diabetics can OD on insulin and its a peaceful death. Does anybody know if its effective for non-diabetics in a high enough dose?
autumnal
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It would presumably be even easier for non-diabetics to overdose on insulin compared to diabetics.
However, the PPH has a chapter on insulin and lists logistical reasons why insulin would be very impractical for this purpose.
However, the PPH has a chapter on insulin and lists logistical reasons why insulin would be very impractical for this purpose.
autumnal
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Mixing it with SN (if you used the normal effective dosage of SN and followed the SN steps properly) would simply mean you die from SN long before you do from hypoglycemia caused by the insulin. Xanax would simply function like a benzo in the SN steps. But please do look in the resources section to find and check out the PPH chapter I mentioned.
k75
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- Jun 27, 2019
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It's actually not so peaceful. Or easy. I've heard it might be easier for non-diabetics, but I don't really know why.
I'm diabetic, and if it were easy, I'd be long dead by now. I have more than enough insulin to do the job. The first problem is getting it properly injected. Not easy sometimes for just a normal dose, much less the amount required to OD.
But assuming you manage that, then comes the low. It's kind of hell. Not peaceful at all. You get easily confused and can't think straight, cold and clammy, shaky, super nauseous and can vomit, and your heart starts to do scary things. You're also starving beyond belief, but eating will raise your blood sugar, moving you away from your goal. But it's almost irresistible. You can also completely black out and even though you aren't aware, totally sabotage your attempt. People get violent due to low blood sugar and are often mistaken for being on drugs.
You go through all that and more before you get to the "peaceful" coma part. Maybe if you could knock yourself out early, but it's still a huge gamble. You still have to get all the insulin in you to begin with, and that's tricky.
This was the method I wanted to use, since I have the insulin already. I figured it would be nice and easy. But the more I tried to make it work, the less reliable it looked. Still, I keep trying to figure it out.
autumnal
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Essentially, insulin lowers blood sugar and in normal people the body produces it after meals to keep blood sugar at a healthy level. Diabetics don't produce enough insulin naturally, so they have excessively high blood sugar, and taking insulin as a medication lowers it towards normal levels. But non-diabetics already have normal levels of blood sugar, so for them taking insulin lowers theirs to dangerously low levels.
As I mentioned the PPH (link) goes into detail about the logistical difficulties in getting enough insulin into the body to cause any kind of overdose, especially a large enough one to be fatal.
As a diabetic, I have had episodes of severe hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) and personally did not find them distressing. If anything, for me there was a strange sense of calmness, with a reduced motivation to ingest emergency glucuse to raise the blood sugars. And this was before I was in any way suicidal. But certainly a lot of the symptoms (link) do occur, with confusion being especially pronounced. If you weren't used to experiencing a severe hypo, I suppose the symptoms could be distressing. And of course the symptoms and emotions will differ for everyone.
I have also heard anecdotally that there can be a degree of autopilot-type behaviour during a hypo where you may unwittingly take steps to save yourself and not even recollect it later. And certainly aggressive behaviour, which can be mistaken for drunkenness, is common as stated.
k75
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My lows are miserable, and I don't let them get low enough to be dangerous. It's happened in the past, though, and it was not a peaceful experience. I start getting all the symptoms I described pretty early on, and it just gets worse from there.
k75
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Do you go low often? I'm wondering if frequency desensitizes people? I tend to be high myself, and I can get off the charts without feeling it. Sometimes a normal level can make me feel too low if I've been high long enough, too.
autumnal
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Just had a sudden and potentially important thought for any diabetics considering the SN method (both done normally or combined with insulin). If you are on Exenatide (Byetta, Bydureon, Bydureon BCise etc.) as a lot of Type 2 diabetics are, one of the mechanisms of action is that it slows down gastric (stomach) emptying. This could theoretically make it harder to ensure your stomach is totally empty from the fasting component of the SN protocol, and thus result in slower or inadequate SN absorbsion in the stomach and/or intestines.
For Byetta users (taken twice daily before breakfast/dinner), I would suggest skipping the medication entirely for the last several meals before your SN attempt.
For Bydureon users (taken weekly) the drug is in your system for a lot longer, so purely at a guess I would suggest skipping it for a full week leading up to the SN attempt.
Someone with more pharmaceutical knowledge than me might be able to elaborate further on these timeframes or give better advice.
Does anyone think I should also repost this as a separate standalone post, to ensure it is more easily noticeable by the relevant audience? Type 2 diabetes is a very common condition, and Exenatide is a very common medication for sufferers.
Disclaimer: not a doctor.
For Byetta users (taken twice daily before breakfast/dinner), I would suggest skipping the medication entirely for the last several meals before your SN attempt.
For Bydureon users (taken weekly) the drug is in your system for a lot longer, so purely at a guess I would suggest skipping it for a full week leading up to the SN attempt.
Someone with more pharmaceutical knowledge than me might be able to elaborate further on these timeframes or give better advice.
Does anyone think I should also repost this as a separate standalone post, to ensure it is more easily noticeable by the relevant audience? Type 2 diabetes is a very common condition, and Exenatide is a very common medication for sufferers.
Disclaimer: not a doctor.
This is the method I am currently researching. I haven't found a ton of info yet, but I am going to check out the link that you posted autumnal. Thank you
autumnal
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- Feb 4, 2020
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You are welcome. I would stand by the advice in my original response against the practical nature of this as a viable method.
honestly... I am seeing that this is not a reliable method. The thought just occurred to me and I initially (as others have apparently) thought that this would be a great method... but I am seeing that the odds of it working well seem pretty low. sigh...
I thought about this method too. Then read about how horrible severe hypoglycemia can be. Which is strange because I was a nurse for 17 years and have seen people with readings so low they didn't register. None of these people ever got aggressive or agitated. Just lethargic. So I don't know. Plus now I still have the insulin just no needles ha.
