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noname223

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Many people agree pedophiles deserve harder punishments. And I think not that few people think when pedophiles get raped in prison, they deserved it.

In which cases is vigilante justice justified? Assume you are dad of an ill child. It needs medication but the pharma industry only has overprized medication with the sole purpose to increase profits. Would it be justified to steal the medication?
 
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Vigilante justice is totally justified if it combats something thats caused forced suffering and said justice gets the negatively effected people out of that forced suffering.

Totally justifiable to steal the medication so the child doesn't have to unnecessarily suffer as its totally fair to steal something, especially expensive, needed to lessen the forced suffering.
 
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Many people agree pedophiles deserve harder punishments. And I think not that few people think when pedophiles get raped in prison, they deserved it.
I personally am disturbed at the thought of of this. There is something wrong with humanity if people turn a blind eye or cheer on any kind of violence. I don't think this is a good thing. Raping a rapist is not a good thing, ever.

This reminds me of medieval times, should be cut a thiefs hand off? I'm sure that's quite the detterent, but I would not encourage such thing.

Wishing somebody to be raped is a terrible thing. I am glad we got rid of the eye for an eye system. It's barbaric. For some reason many are still fine with an eye for an eye system it in this case, I am not.

I understand that an innocent kid will be traumatized for life and all that stuff. That's a huge problem. I think the penalty for it should be high, but the penalty should not be getting raped. Ever.

We should strive to understand why stuff like this happens, what can we do to prevent it and encourage people to seek help.

In which cases is vigilante justice justified? Assume you are dad of an ill child. It needs medication but the pharma industry only has overprized medication with the sole purpose to increase profits. Would it be justified to steal the medication?
In a perfect world we wouldn't allow this to happen in the first place. But that's an easy thing to say when you are born into an imperfect world. Whoever creates and benefits from this kind of situation knows that people won't like it.

My first thought is that it would not be justified to steal the medication. I understand somebody could do it, I probably would steal it. That does not make it justified. For a father their kid are important, for most people it's just one of the 2 billion kids in the world.

When I write it, I ask myself a lot of question. So when somebody breaks into my house, am I allowed to use violence? Let's say using violence is not legal here in such circumstance. Should I just call the police and wait? It's a complicated world. My vision is idealistic, we can improve as humanity, but it will take time, and we will never entirely get rid of such problems.

There is also a question of why the burglar is doing this. Is it because life forced him to do this, or is it because of greed? Greed is terrible. Just stealing because it's quick money and you don't want to contribute to the society and don't care if it hurts others.. is terrible. If you don't want to contribute to society, that's understandable.. But if somebody doesn't want to contribute to the society but you "force" them to (by not allowing them to die), don't be surprised if people start doing terrible stuff just to improve their life.

So many questions. What drives those people? Was there any other way to achieve their goals? Why does the system allow such things to happen, what can be done about it? Firstly, don't allow a few people amass a huge amount of money or power. It's fucked up that sometimes doing bad things is rewarded, that evil goes unpunisehd or ever is rewarded.

My thoughts are all over the place, it's just a complex topic. I can't just answer "Pedophiles do not deserve to be raped. I would steal, but stealing in such case would not be justified." This comment is a mess. I also start thinking that stealing would be justified if we are trying to fix a broken system. The survival of a kid would outweigh the cost for the company. But in the long run it's not how we fix overpriced medication problem. Okay, I stop it now, I promise.
 
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It's a very complicated situation. I'm not sure I do entirely blame the victims of heinous crimes for wanting justice.

There was a case where a mother, Marianne Bachmeier shot and killed her 7 year old's rapist and murderer in court. I suppose really truthfully speaking, I don't really blame her. Shouldn't we be expected to protect our children as a society and, want justice for their rape and murder?

Ideally, we should be able to rely on authorities and society to keep us safe- surely? We pay in and we agree to abide by the law. If those systems fail catastrophically to protect us, of course we get angry. If on top- we believe the perpetraitors of these crimes will get off with a lenient sentence or punishment, I can also understand how that creates outrage. Worse if they are released, only to reoffend. Who is protecting society in that case? Great, the perpetrator got their 'rights' obseved. They've now gone on to rape and murder more people!

I suppose we tend to see vigiantilism as evening the score. I also personally do believe that if someone bullies you, you stand up for yourself. Otherwise, they learn they can do it to anyone.

Why should they get all the rights? Because they were 'traumatised'? Ok- Maybe you were too. In any case, they've just traumatised you now! So- it was ok for them to lash out, but, not you? Why the double standard? Why expect the victim to act rationally? They've just been attacked or, witnessed something heinous.

That's not to say we shouldn't try to understand why people commit heinous acts. For the most part- to try to prevent people reaching that stage in future. However, I kind of believe that 'A dog that bites is a dog that bites'. You don't keep offering it your hand to bite again!

Maybe revenge and harsh punishment isn't the way to go but, is our current system working either? I think we should definitely be researching what does work at least.

Of course, the biggest problem is that our justice system is fallible. So- either vigilantism or corperate punishment is way too risky to my mind. How can you be sure the person is even guilty?

It's enormously complicated though. Would greater vigiantilism lower crime? If criminals believed people would and could seek extreme retribution for being wronged, would it put them off offending? I'm not sure. Or, would that just lead to more violence all around?

I'm personally grateful that the UK doesn't permit widespread access to firearms for instance (although, it would be useful for suicide.) More guns about leads to more shootings. Greater rights to injure and kill others means more people get injured and killed.

I don't exactly agree with it. But then, I don't like the system we've got either. It's probably better to outlaw it at least but personally, I admit I do feel like particularly vicious criminals do get their deserves sometimes.

That probably makes me wicked too but, I don't entirely care. It's unlikely I would participate in it, unless I saw someone perpetrating a crime. In which case, I actually hope I would have the courage to try to stop them. Even if that meant with violence.

With regards to the medication issue- I think all legal methods of obtaining it should have been done first. Including- writing to MP's and the press- shaming the big pharmaceuticals who are making the medication so expensive. Setting up 'go-fund me's' and charities for similar people suffering.

The same goes for crimes really. We ought to at least give the police and justice system a shot to punish them legally. That's the ideal but- what if it fails?

As another moral dilema- What if you know for certain a person is guilty of something truly heinous and dangerous- let's say- rape and murder yet- they get released or, aren't convicted. What do you do? Ask the police to watch them? They don't have the resources and, it infringes their 'rights'. Hire someone to watch them or, watch them yourself? You likely don't have the money or time. Plus, you're likely committing some sort of 'stalking' offence. So really- just wait for them to strike again? Hope they won't? Hope it isn't one of your family members they target? Sure- vigiantilism isn't good. Neither are criminals deemed to be 'safe' who then go on to re-offend.
 
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whenever the justice system underpunishes. if a rapist or a pedophile gets anything less than life without parole, they are fair game. i do believe though that if a pedophile is non offending and aware liking kids is wrong and seeking help for it they shouldnt be punished. however, murder is in many cases justified, see luigi mangione for example
 

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