In most cases, people should stay out of this forum for sometime before they CTB

[BARIZON]

I was thinking about it, everything I purchased for the SN method is almost here, but I think it's wise to stop visiting suicide related spaces for a while to confirm its really what you wanna do.

I know it doesnt apply to everybody, but the echo chamber effect is quite real, so it's important to understand all avaiable options and give it a last try at things before you CTB.

Also, having everything ready in case you decide to do it one day gives a conforting sense of peace.

 

[disabledlife]

Yes and no.

Everyone is free to stop consulting this forum, it is the principle of freedom.

It all depends on each person, it is true that it would be advisable to cut yourself off from the internet in general, and relax, go for a walk, when possible, see your loved ones when possible, live the end of your life as best you can, when possible, before deciding on a CTB (the same for assisted suicide and euthanasia).

What is paradoxical is that this forum, just like the legalizations of active aid in dying, in countries that have legalized it, people are less likely to want to die, because they know that they finally have a way out open to them. In other countries, closed, or also the fact that people do not have knowledge, see the impossibility of accessing this forum, people are encouraged to die, and often with desperate methods, for fear of not being able to do it later, and also by loneliness, lack of consideration, forced self-censorship, no one who listens to them...

In the forum, there is also a "recovery" section, which helps people in life, to live (it is forbidden to talk about suicide in this recovery session).

 

[BARIZON]

Yes and no.

Everyone is free to stop consulting this forum, it is the principle of freedom.

It all depends on each person, it is true that it would be advisable to cut yourself off from the internet in general, and relax, go for a walk, when possible, see your loved ones when possible, live the end of your life as best you can, when possible, before deciding on a CTB (the same for assisted suicide and euthanasia).

What is paradoxical is that this forum, just like the legalizations of active aid in dying, in countries that have legalized it, people are less likely to want to die, because they know that they finally have a way out open to them. In other countries, closed, or also the fact that people do not have knowledge, see the impossibility of accessing this forum, people are encouraged to die, and often with desperate methods, for fear of not being able to do it later, and also by loneliness, lack of consideration, forced self-censorship, no one who listens to them...

In the forum, there is also a "recovery" section, which helps people in life, to live (it is forbidden to talk about suicide in this recovery session).

I said in most cases, not everybody. But I agree with everything you side, with the exception of the recovery section here being a nice place to recover, maybe the early steps are nice, because you can talk about suicidal thoughts without fear of discrimination, but after some progress i dont think a placed called sanctioned suicide is the best place for someone who wants to recover.

 

[disabledlife]

"I said in most cases, not everybody.". Yes, I know, sorry if you possibly took it the wrong way. I just wanted to add some arguments and answer you.

The person should try not to visit this forum for several days, or even longer, to see if they change their mind. If so, great, this advice to take a break from this forum works.

 

[rozeske]

If your life circumstances forced you to come to the decision of suicide and you find your way to this site on your search to end your suffering, this site ends up benefiting you in more ways than you bargained for. But if you stumbled up on this site merely out of curiosity and you happen to find yourself being distressed with the said "echo chamber" and lean towards a decision that you are not ready to make then you should definitely leave and see how things play out before making a decision.

 

[unusally alive]

I mean people end up in this forum because they want to CTB. Its not like they are passer by and got the idea from here

 

[Ww42]

I agree. I think staying off any site or social media that either is pro-choice or pro-life should be avoided. CTB is a huge decision that I personally believe should be made in private after much thought, off the internet

 

[BARIZON]

If your life circumstances forced you to come to the decision of suicide and you find your way to this site on your search to end your suffering, this site ends up benefiting you in more ways than you bargained for. But if you stumbled up on this site merely out of curiosity and you happen to find yourself being distressed with the said "echo chamber" and lean towards a decision that you are not ready to make then you should definitely leave and see how things play out before making a decision.

I would believe that a low percentagem of users would fit the scenario you described. Theres several levels of suicidal ideation, even those that have thoughts of suicide, did a Google search and landed here, may be far away from actually doing it.

Any community which share common values tend to work as echo chambers, it could be about anything really, this forum isnt exempt from this social phenomenon.


And yes, i agree that if someone is dead set on CTB and only wanted to learn about reliable and peaceful methods, they need no waiting, but i would believe that this represents a low minority of our user base.

Furthermore, wouldn't getting away from enviroments which validade and reinforce your ideas be the sensible thing to do before actually ending your life? I mean, this is the most impactful decision in your entire existence, so giving it proper thought is fundamental.

 

[Lost Magic]

I agree when you say, most, should stay out of this forum before they ctb. It attracts too much attention to this forum (for the wrong reasons) and I do believe it should be a private affair, offline. Each to their own, though. I am no gatekeeper.

 

[rozeske]

I would believe that a low percentagem of users would fit the scenario you described. Theres several levels of suicidal ideation, even those that have thoughts of suicide, did a Google search and landed here, may be far away from actually doing it.

Any community which share common values tend to work as echo chambers, it could be about anything really, this forum isnt exempt from this social phenomenon.


And yes, i agree that if someone is dead set on CTB and only wanted to learn about reliable and peaceful methods, they need no waiting, but i would believe that this represents a low minority of our user base.

Furthermore, wouldn't getting away from enviroments which validade and reinforce your ideas be the sensible thing to do before actually ending your life? I mean, this is the most impactful decision in your entire existence, so giving it proper thought is fundamental.

If by low percentage users you mean those who owe their suicidal ideation and decision to a suicide forum and it's echo chamber, then yes they are the very low percentage, if any. That's not how suicidality works. A suicide forum isn't supposed to make you commit when infact you had a life worth living. Atleast it shouldn't. That is when the staying away from this site before making a decision comes to play. The majority of us have been screwed over by life long before this site ever existed, traumatized by various factors before we ever knew what truma even means, been dealt with physical and mental illnesses that make living and enjoying life near impossible. For those of us who been dealing with suicidal ideation and suicide attempt for years and years, this place, believe it or not, actually makes life bearable enough till we make a final decision. It is a place most of us seek to be heard with no judgement and our suffering validated, unlike the rest of the world.

 

[BARIZON]

If by low percentage users you mean those who owe their suicidal ideation and decision to a suicide forum and it's echo chamber, then yes they are the very low percentage, if any. That's not how suicidality works. A suicide forum isn't supposed to make you commit when infact you had a life worth living. Atleast it shouldn't. That is when the staying away from this site before making a decision comes to play. The majority of us have been screwed over by life long before this site ever existed, traumatized by various factors before we ever knew what truma even means, been dealt with physical and mental illnesses that make living and enjoying life near impossible. For those of us who been dealing with suicidal ideation and suicide attempt for years and years, this place, believe it or not, actually makes life bearable enough till we make a final decision. It is a place most of us seek to be heard with no judgement and our suffering validated, unlike the rest of the world.

I disagree completely, most users here don't even commit suicide and eventually leave, how can it be that the majority has already made their mind ? Also, everyone is influenced by their surroundings, thats a known hard FACT, every psychologist would confirm you this. This forum isn't responsible for people's actions, but deniying it has an impact is delusional.

Again, if you read my post with intellectual honesty, you might realize that i'm only advocating for a well thought out and independent decision for those who decide to CTB, which is prudent, to say the least.

 

[rozeske]

I disagree completely

Let's agree to disagree then.

 

[BARIZON]

The majority of us have been screwed over by life long before this site ever existed, traumatized by various factors before we ever knew what truma even means, been dealt with physical and mental illnesses that make living and enjoying life near impossible. For those of us who been dealing with suicidal ideation and suicide attempt for years and years, this place, believe it or not, actually makes life bearable enough till we make a final decision. It is a place most of us seek to be heard with no judgement and our suffering validated, unlike the rest of the world.

As for that, I'm on the same boat brother, woudn't be here if I was in a good place, I'm unemployed, gonna fail my second college course, people look down on me, i never had a girlfriend, i cant concentrate and make consistent efforts towards a goal, panic attacks constantly. Non existence do seem like a nice thing, believe me. But it's not how I invioned my life.

When our mind can't bear the suffering any more it looks for an escape, a shelter, and I also feel very good here thinking about the day I'll never suffer anymore.

However, I accept the fact that being here tends to validade this point of view, so at least for me, and I believe for a lot of people, taking some time away from here would at least ensure you take a better informed decision.

 

[jbear824]

I disagree. I also disagree with you unilaterally deciding that the forum is an echo chamber. I see plenty of different opinions here.

I think people should make their decision in whatever way is best for them...whether that means being on this site/online or not.

It's ironic that this forum is pro-choice when lots of threads tend be about what other people should be doing and not doing.

 

[maneose]

I have to agree, many times I've wondered "Am I just feeling this way because I browse this site 24/7 or become I honestly want to do it?" I had a depressed episode where I was physically unable to go online for a while and it really helped just allowing myself to think on my choice with a clear mind. Not a dig at the site but this place is filled with mostly people who share the same sentiments on death and it's really hard to push yourself out of that place when surrounded by people like that. I think with any decision, especially huge ones like this, people should reach out to others for advice but at the end of the day you are the only person making that choice and will face the effects of them, so focusing on your own thoughts and feelings is hugely important to make the decision that is right for you.

 

[Life Is My Coffin]

I think this place can make you feel both better and worse.
It can make you feel better due to seeing how there's people experiencing something much worse than you.
But it can also make you feel worse with the belief that some posters like to push: "CTB is the only way out of this hell" and that isn't always true. Even if you have physical defects you can still live a decent or even good life. Even people with severe tinnitus have learned how to cope

 

[LaughingGoat]

Also, having everything ready in case you decide to do it one day gives a conforting sense of peace.

I hope people see this and know how true it is if they haven't acquired their supplies yet. Understandably some people can't due to living situations, but if possible it's incredible the amount of security knowing you have what you need.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I would believe that a low percentagem of users would fit the scenario you described. Theres several levels of suicidal ideation, even those that have thoughts of suicide, did a Google search and landed here, may be far away from actually doing it.

Any community which share common values tend to work as echo chambers, it could be about anything really, this forum isnt exempt from this social phenomenon.


And yes, i agree that if someone is dead set on CTB and only wanted to learn about reliable and peaceful methods, they need no waiting, but i would believe that this represents a low minority of our user base.

Furthermore, wouldn't getting away from enviroments which validade and reinforce your ideas be the sensible thing to do before actually ending your life? I mean, this is the most impactful decision in your entire existence, so giving it proper thought is fundamental.

Maybe the demographic has changed since things like the Tantacrul You Tube video but I imagine most people find this place when they are looking for methods. So- they are already actively suicidal. I don't think it's something you just stumble upon.

I also think a lot of people are very self aware. I've known plenty of members leave or move over into recovery because they felt like their ideas weren't quite aligning anymore. Or, more commonly- they wanted to make a push at recovery.

That said, I guess it's possible to find yourself caught up in the negativity. I guess it's each to their own really. I think we need to try to figure out ourselves how sure we feel about things but definitely- it's worth considering.

That said, I think the simple fact that the act of suicide is scary for most people is quite a deterrent. As a counter argument- I'd say that reading about failed attempts here can have the opposite effect of putting people off. I also firmly believe that having method information puts us off methods which will very likely fail and maim us- which I'd say was a good thing. I'd make the argument also that anyone on here is already kind of demonstrating that this isn't exactly impulsive. They've been thinking seriously enough about it to research it, find the forum and apply for membership.

In terms of mental health though- sure, I guess it's a possibility that forums like this could have a negative affect. I wonder at what level of desperation people generally are though when they are at the point of committing. I imagine they're not really so fussed about going for a walk or connecting with family members- stuff like that sounds more along the lines of recovery. I do feel like most people know whether they want to recover or not. Whether there's any hope left. If there isn't, I'm not convinced they can get that back- if they don't want to. I suppose maybe I have more trust that people indeed do know their own minds and I think that needs to be respected.

It's a tricky subject really. Any of us could look at one another and see ways in which we could still turn things around. I think in a way, it's easier to be hopeful for someone else. That person has to do it though.

Even if the person leaves the forum for a bit, are they likely to have the energy to reconnect with the world? Not sure really. But sure- I think it's good if we have thought things through thoroughly.

It's kind of a weird idea in a way though isn't it? When we're dead, will our decisions affect us anymore? Will we regret them? So- in effect- does it matter at what point we die? It matters to people around us of course. It could I suppose matter to us if we, deep down feel like we are cutting short our potential or whatever but- it depends on your view of life also.