i'm stuck

[b00t]

First of all, I'm a new member, so just a note:
I don't speak english natively, so ask any questions about something I wrote that might have been confusing, and try to teach me something if possible

well, im stuck inside, since I was little, whenever I was in crisis I thought this, I feel trapped inside my own head, as if the whole world was walking and suddenly I stopped, a kind of fog formed inside my mind, no line of reasoning can follow far.
as if I had every possibility to do what I should, just put one leg and then the other, but nothing works, my body does not respond to my wishes
as if anxiety were the damn fog, soon it started to build the cage
I've always tried to be very observant about how feelings happen inside me, and that's it, it all starts with inexplicable anxiety, and then it goes into anguish and sadness, as if one thing were a consequence of another, because I couldn't manage to move i start to get distressed and everything will bury me from there
I have many plans, not necessarily for my own gain, in fact few are, most are about projects where I can make access to information really universal, but anyway, that's beside the point,I would basically need to spend a little time to study and get my hands dirty but absolutely can't, get distracted, do any other shit that won't produce me anything
obviously suicidal thinking goes with it, I've tried it a few times, but like everything else in my life I haven't been the least bit obstinate in achieving it.

About these suicidal thoughts, much of what I see is people say they feel suffering and therefore want to end it in the "most practical" way, but most of the time I don't feel that way. Of course there were times when the anguish was so great that I just wanted to explode and make it happen all at once, but most of the time it's just a thought that comes "innocently" for no reason.keeps hammering my head, poking me annoyingly, until it starts to root and forcibly find logical reasons for it as if it were an intruder inside me. In addition, during the period of my life when I was realizing my personality and ideas, I have always found it very fair, but few can put it into practice when I really have the opportunity, as if I am not who I really am or at least want to be. .
I don't know exactly what to do, I think if I give in and try to rephrase my ideas from what I do, maybe it's a way to better accept me and understand that this is all part of me, and it's not invasive stuff but at the same time, from the point of view I have now, I would be a terrible person. Is it really worth fighting against me, against the "evil" inside me or should I just give in to it?
blame, blame, blame that so much afflicts me, I'd just like to be able to move before thinking of death

 

[Sensei]

Welcome to the forum, b00t. It's good that you analyze and try to understand your behaviour. I get the impression that you look for a solution, and don't really want to die. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm no psychiatrist, but what you're describing sounds very much like something called dissociation. It's probably a good idea for you to talk to someone in psychiatric care. If it would turn out that you have a dissociative disorder, you will most probably get something called cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), but probably not any medication. Then you will understand better what you're going through and It will most probably make you less suicidal.

By the way, are you a cyberpunk fan? I notice that you use a picture of Molly as your profile picture.

 

[b00t]

Welcome to the forum, b00t. It's good that you analyze and try to understand your behaviour. I get the impression that you look for a solution, and don't really want to die. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm no psychiatrist, but what you're describing sounds very much like something called dissociation. It's probably a good idea for you to talk to someone in psychiatric care. If it would turn out that you have a dissociative disorder, you will most probably get something called cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), but probably not any medication. Then you will understand better what you're going through and It will most probably make you less suicidal.

By the way, are you a cyberpunk fan? I notice that you use a picture of Molly as your profile picture.

yes, i dont really want to die, when these thoughts come to me, depending on the intensity of the crisis and the variables that can affect me sentimentally, it may sink me into the idea of dying, but it's not what I really want. As frequent as these situations have become, I believe that if one day I realize this, it will be in an explosion and not something very planned, but depending on the intensity and duration of a crisis I can plan

I had wondered before about the possibility of dissociation, but I never took it to a professional. I've been to some psychiatrists and started treatment in public hospitals with free medicine, but I never went on for more than two weeks, the last time they gave me an antipsychotic that made me feel very removed from all my senses, as if I was literally a spectator of what was happening to me. Nowadays I have to keep paying bills with salary that I earn from a internship, so I can't afford to pay a therapist, and therapies of this kind are rarer in public hospitals, and when they exist, they are completely crowded.

And yes, I really like cyberpunk culture, it would be a more interesting reality to live in, however chaotic and oppressive it may be, I kind of like this whole issue of chaos. Specifically I don't like William Gibson very much, he brings a lot of his personal desires and fetishes to the characters, it is completely visible and breaks much of the narrative, even molly does not shy away from it, however much I like her, discounting the fetish parts.

 

[Sensei]

It's good to hear that you don't want to die. You must stop and think every time you get these impulses to harm yourself. They make it extra important that you try to get help.

I'm no psychiatrist and I don't know that much about dissociative disorders, but I know that they are difficult to cope with without professional help. If you get CBT you will learn techniques for handling it. Again, I'm not a psychiatrist, but you may have depersonalization disorder and then antipsychotic medicines may make your symptoms worse.

Even if CBT is rarer and crowded in public hospitals, maybe it's worth asking anway? If you describe your situation in detail to them, they might give you priority. If you do, it's important that you don't say that you have "a little problem", but that it's serious. You really need to talk to professionals, because this is very complicated.

Ah, a fellow cyberpunk fan! I agree 100 % that it would be more interesting to live in a cyberpunk world, even though it would be tough. It's an interesting point you raise about Gibson. I do like his books, but as you say, his own desires and fetishes shine through. Unfortunately, that applies to many authors. My favourite cyberpunk work will always be Blade Runner, though.

 

[sleepy dog]

yes, i dont really want to die, when these thoughts come to me, depending on the intensity of the crisis and the variables that can affect me sentimentally, it may sink me into the idea of dying, but it's not what I really want. As frequent as these situations have become, I believe that if one day I realize this, it will be in an explosion and not something very planned, but depending on the intensity and duration of a crisis I can plan

I had wondered before about the possibility of dissociation, but I never took it to a professional. I've been to some psychiatrists and started treatment in public hospitals with free medicine, but I never went on for more than two weeks, the last time they gave me an antipsychotic that made me feel very removed from all my senses, as if I was literally a spectator of what was happening to me. Nowadays I have to keep paying bills with salary that I earn from a internship, so I can't afford to pay a therapist, and therapies of this kind are rarer in public hospitals, and when they exist, they are completely crowded.

And yes, I really like cyberpunk culture, it would be a more interesting reality to live in, however chaotic and oppressive it may be, I kind of like this whole issue of chaos. Specifically I don't like William Gibson very much, he brings a lot of his personal desires and fetishes to the characters, it is completely visible and breaks much of the narrative, even molly does not shy away from it, however much I like her, discounting the fetish parts.

I strongly recommend staying away from psychiatrists, mental health clinics, and psychiatric drugs. All of it is horrible. Those people don't care about you, but they will pretend they do. They just want to do things to you to get their nice paycheck. If it damages you, they really won't care. They, the people and the drugs, drive people to suicide and worse. They also can lock people up and force drugs into them, and they will falsify documents to do it. Please stay away from them. They are so destructive.

 

[b00t]

I strongly recommend staying away from psychiatrists, mental health clinics, and psychiatric drugs. All of it is horrible. Those people don't care about you, but they will pretend they do. They just want to do things to you to get their nice paycheck. If it damages you, they really won't care. They, the people and the drugs, drive people to suicide and worse. They also can lock people up and force drugs into them, and they will falsify documents to do it. Please stay away from them. They are so destructive.

I think this is a very dangerous thing to think about
As I said, I went to public hospitals, and I received medicines for free, nobody won by attending me, on the contrary, just lost. The last time they gave me this antipsychotic, was after an attempt to take the bus, the psychiatrists were very attentive , tried to do their best, but I also understand what you mean, this time I was very lucky, sometimes not so much, already been hospitalized, sedated and the fuck, I imagine it is in a private system

It's good to hear that you don't want to die. You must stop and think every time you get these impulses to harm yourself. They make it extra important that you try to get help.

I'm no psychiatrist and I don't know that much about dissociative disorders, but I know that they are difficult to cope with without professional help. If you get CBT you will learn techniques for handling it. Again, I'm not a psychiatrist, but you may have depersonalization disorder and then antipsychotic medicines may make your symptoms worse.

Even if CBT is rarer and crowded in public hospitals, maybe it's worth asking anway? If you describe your situation in detail to them, they might give you priority. If you do, it's important that you don't say that you have "a little problem", but that it's serious. You really need to talk to professionals, because this is very complicated.

I admit that the biggest cause of me not looking for it was still total discouragement, the second biggest cause is my lack of time caused by the time I need to be doing anything, that's just what I want, a way to discipline myself, resist and be able to fight it stronger and smarter than I have done so far, so that I can reach a few steps above.

Ah, a fellow cyberpunk fan! I agree 100 % that it would be more interesting to live in a cyberpunk world, even though it would be tough. It's an interesting point you raise about Gibson. I do like his books, but as you say, his own desires and fetishes shine through. Unfortunately, that applies to many authors. My favourite cyberpunk work will always be Blade Runner, though.

nice to hear this, my favorite is also bladerunner without a doubt

 

[Sensei]

I strongly recommend staying away from psychiatrists, mental health clinics, and psychiatric drugs. All of it is horrible. Those people don't care about you, but they will pretend they do. They just want to do things to you to get their nice paycheck. If it damages you, they really won't care. They, the people and the drugs, drive people to suicide and worse. They also can lock people up and force drugs into them, and they will falsify documents to do it. Please stay away from them. They are so destructive.

When I'm reading this, I'm tempted to write three words, beginning with the letters Y, F, and I, respectively, but I realise that you think you're doing something good. What you're doing here is basically the same thing as saying to someone suffering from diabetes, "Don't take the insulin, man! The pharma industry just wants your money!" This may come as a surprise to you, but not all mental illnesses are shitty, little, boo-hoo depressions. Some are very serious and need treatment. People suffering from schizophrenia must get medication, and people suffering from dissociative disorders must get CBT. It doesn't matter if psychiatric care is in tatters in your country, because there are no alternatives. They still need treatment, just like diabetics living in poor Third World countries still need insulin.

I admit that the biggest cause of me not looking for it was still total discouragement, the second biggest cause is my lack of time caused by the time I need to be doing anything, that's just what I want, a way to discipline myself, resist and be able to fight it stronger and smarter than I have done so far, so that I can reach a few steps above.

I'm quite sure that if you get CBT it will become much easier to cope with it. I have a little experience of CBT myself, and some of the tricks I learned have actually come in handy. You and I have very different disorders, though.

 

[sleepy dog]

When I'm reading this, I'm tempted to write three words, beginning with the letters Y, F, and I, respectively, but I realise that you think you're doing something good. What you're doing here is basically the same thing as saying to someone suffering from diabetes, "Don't take the insulin, man! The pharma industry just wants your money!" This may come as a surprise to you, but not all mental illnesses are shitty, little, boo-hoo depressions. Some are very serious and need treatment. People suffering from schizophrenia must get medication, and people suffering from dissociative disorders must get CBT. It doesn't matter if psychiatric care is in tatters in your country, because there are no alternatives. They still need treatment, just like diabetics living in poor Third World countries still need insulin.


I'm quite sure that if you get CBT it will become much easier to cope with it. I have a little experience of CBT myself, and some of the tricks I learned have actually come in handy. You and I have very different disorders, though.

I see you want to be abusive. Let's give you some of your own "medicine". I see you want to try to force your own opinion on others. But your opinion is poorly educated. Maybe you will realize that someday, but I doubt it. Lose your self righteous attitude. You are not right. If you have had a good experience with psych drugs, good for you. Here's a warning. It won't last. I speak from personal experience. Others have talked about their experiences. I also saw things happen to others in my own life. Some of them are dead. They killed themselves, or were committed for trying. The psych drugs took their ability to cope. Research has shown that's how they destroy the mind. By damaging the brain's ability to adapt and react. Did you know that?

1- "What you're doing here is basically the same thing as saying to someone suffering from diabetes, "Don't take the insulin, man!""
The fact that you compared psych drugs to insulin is stupid. You are comparing a drug that actually works for a physical problem to drugs that studies have proven actually does damage and also causes the symptoms they are supposed to treat. You didn't know that did you. The only reasons those studies occurred is because people that had been damaged kept speaking up about the damage. When they did they encountered reactions and attitudes like yours.

2- "The pharma industry just wants your money"
I didn't say that. But that is why they make the pills that do all the damage isn't it? To get the money?

3- "This may come as a surprise to you, but not all mental illnesses are shitty, little, boo-hoo depressions"
I wonder how the members of this forum feel about you thinking the horrible, endless suffering they experience is just a "little, boo-hoo depression"?

4- "People suffering from schizophrenia must get medication"
That is an absolute lie. But thanks for proving that you are only here to push people into the clinics and pharmacies.

5- "people suffering from dissociative disorders must get CBT"
She did not say she had dissociative disorder. You suggested that she did. So you also are "diagnosing" members of the forum.

6- "It doesn't matter if psychiatric care is in tatters in your country, because there are no alternatives"
There are alternatives. The best one seems to be no treatment at all. Why? Because the psych drugs cause mental illness symptoms, horrible side effects, terrifying withdrawals, and suicide. Because the psychiatrists drive people to suicide or worse. They also can lock people up and force drugs into them, and they will falsify documents to do it. Its the same in many countries as it is in the USA. It is part of the United Nations agreements. Many countries have agreed to do all the things I warn about to people that are "mentally ill". But there is never a requirement to prove that the person has any illness at all. No testing of blood or other bodily fluids, no biopsies. No actual proof is needed to poison somebody against their will or lock them up.

I think this is a very dangerous thing to think about
As I said, I went to public hospitals, and I received medicines for free, nobody won by attending me, on the contrary, just lost. The last time they gave me this antipsychotic, was after an attempt to take the bus, the psychiatrists were very attentive , tried to do their best, but I also understand what you mean, this time I was very lucky, sometimes not so much, already been hospitalized, sedated and the fuck, I imagine it is in a private system



I admit that the biggest cause of me not looking for it was still total discouragement, the second biggest cause is my lack of time caused by the time I need to be doing anything, that's just what I want, a way to discipline myself, resist and be able to fight it stronger and smarter than I have done so far, so that I can reach a few steps above.


nice to hear this, my favorite is also bladerunner without a doubt

@b00t - There is no just going to get CBT therapy. Mental health people will not let people do that. This is what I mean when I say that. At any time, any psychiatrist can force drugs into you or have you locked up in a facility. People voluntarily go into these clinics, take the drugs the doctor and employees say they have to take, try to stop when the bad effects build up over years, suffer withdrawals, then get punished for wanting to stop the damage and just cope with their "mental illness". The doctor never has to prove the existence of any illness. When that happens, that "client" is now taken against their will to a lock down facility. If the facility is such a helpful place, why are people locked in? Who would want to leave a place that helps them? They are coerced into doing the drugs. But now they have to go to court. The doctors falsify the documents as much as possible to get "court ordered treatment" enforced for a year. The person is released. If that person's blood test does not show they are taking the drugs, the person is grabbed and locked onto a bed. An injection of drugs is put in the person. Or the person is given electric shock against their will. Or both.

You said you work. That is therapy. Just staying busy is therapy. Exercise can also help. Jogging or lifting weights. Interacting with the physical world in some way. Working with wood or other materials, building things or making art can help. Being in nature can help.

It doesn't sound like you have dissociative identity disorder to me. But I am never going to try to diagnose somebody, especially from a post on a forum.

 

[Sensei]

I see you want to be abusive. Let's give you some of your own "medicine".

You are correct. I used a harsh tone and it was unnecessary. If shouldn't have let myself get provoced by your blunt behaviour.

I see you want to try to force your own opinion on others. But your opinion is poorly educated. Maybe you will realize that someday, but I doubt it. Lose your self righteous attitude. You are not right. If you have had a good experience with psych drugs, good for you. Here's a warning. It won't last. I speak from personal experience. Others have talked about their experiences. I also saw things happen to others in my own life. Some of them are dead. They killed themselves, or were committed for trying. The psych drugs took their ability to cope. Research has shown that's how they destroy the mind. By damaging the brain's ability to adapt and react. Did you know that?

First of all, the effects of "psych drugs" are highly individual. That said, I have met many people who are grateful that medication has helped them to live somewhat normal lives. If I look at myself, I've tried so many things, including almost all of the things you list below, but the only thing which has had any effect on me is my medication. It doesn't work perfectly, far from it, but it has improved my situation. By the way, do you suffer from a serious mental illnes yourself?

There are countless of studies with control groups and placebos which support my standpoint. What are your sources? Or do you think psychiatric researchers in dozens of countries around the world are involved in a global conspiracy?

1- "What you're doing here is basically the same thing as saying to someone suffering from diabetes, "Don't take the insulin, man!""
The fact that you compared psych drugs to insulin is stupid. You are comparing a drug that actually works for a physical problem to drugs that studies have proven actually does damage and also causes the symptoms they are supposed to treat. You didn't know that did you. The only reasons those studies occurred is because people that had been damaged kept speaking up about the damage. When they did they encountered reactions and attitudes like yours.

It's a viable analogy. I've never found a study that shows that you can control schizophrenic or dissociative hallucionations and delusions with willpower. Have you?

2- "The pharma industry just wants your money"
I didn't say that. But that is why they make the pills that do all the damage isn't it? To get the money?

I never said that you said that. It was an analogy. I do agree with what you say implicitely, though: pharma companies, especially big ones, are often deceptive and their sole purpose is to make profit. Notable examples are how they manipulate pscyhatrists to overdiagnose ADHD among children to push adderall and depression among youths to push citalopram. I actually have personal experience of this. I got lamotrigine in monotherapy from a well-meaning psychiatrist who at least indirectly had been affected by lobbying. Don't believe for a second that I trust pharma companies blindly. I've always been a proponent of nationalising the medical industry so that it would produce what's needed, not what generates the most money.

3- "This may come as a surprise to you, but not all mental illnesses are shitty, little, boo-hoo depressions"
I wonder how the members of this forum feel about you thinking the horrible, endless suffering they experience is just a "little, boo-hoo depression"?

I definitely went out of line there. Again, I shouldn't have let myself get provoked by your blunt behaviour. For future reference: I don't fear being hated. Neither online nor offline.

4- "People suffering from schizophrenia must get medication"
That is an absolute lie.

Source? Or is this just an ungrounded opinion of yours? By the way, have you ever actually met anyone with schizophrenia in person?

But thanks for proving that you are only here to push people into the clinics and pharmacies.

A person with schizophrenia who doesn't get proper medication may end up in a ward or a grave. Besides, do you really think that someone suffering from severe hallucinations and delusions will be able to treat themselves?

5- "people suffering from dissociative disorders must get CBT"
She did not say she had dissociative disorder. You suggested that she did. So you also are "diagnosing" members of the forum.

I clearly state that I'm not a psychiatrist. The OP is wondering what's happening to him/her. We try to discuss what it might be. The OP suspects that it might be dissociation too. Did you even read his/her posts?

6- "It doesn't matter if psychiatric care is in tatters in your country, because there are no alternatives"
There are alternatives. The best one seems to be no treatment at all. Why? Because the psych drugs cause mental illness symptoms, horrible side effects, terrifying withdrawals, and suicide. Because the psychiatrists drive people to suicide or worse. They also can lock people up and force drugs into them, and they will falsify documents to do it. Its the same in many countries as it is in the USA. It is part of the United Nations agreements. Many countries have agreed to do all the things I warn about to people that are "mentally ill". But there is never a requirement to prove that the person has any illness at all. No testing of blood or other bodily fluids, no biopsies. No actual proof is needed to poison somebody against their will or lock them up.

Again, source? Allow me to be perfectly honest: if you can't present reliable sources, there's no point continuing this discussion because than I won't be able to take you seriuosly.

Notice that I'm talking about the most serious mental illnesses here. Anxiety and depression can in some cases be treated and cured without mecidines or psychotherapy. (Alllow me to refer you to my guide to herbs against anxiety and depression: Self-medication: Herbs – actually not New Age shit and placebo.) Even for the most serious mental illnesses, i.e. the most debilitating ones, there are many good complements to medicines. Something as simple as Omega-3 has been shown to have a good effect on a substantial minority of people suffering from bipolar disorder, including yours truly.

@b00t - There is no just going to get CBT therapy. Mental health people will not let people do that. This is what I mean when I say that. At any time, any psychiatrist can force drugs into you or have you locked up in a facility. People voluntarily go into these clinics, take the drugs the doctor and employees say they have to take, try to stop when the bad effects build up over years, suffer withdrawals, then get punished for wanting to stop the damage and just cope with their "mental illness". The doctor never has to prove the existence of any illness. When that happens, that "client" is now taken against their will to a lock down facility. If the facility is such a helpful place, why are people locked in? Who would want to leave a place that helps them? They are coerced into doing the drugs. But now they have to go to court. The doctors falsify the documents as much as possible to get "court ordered treatment" enforced for a year. The person is released. If that person's blood test does not show they are taking the drugs, the person is grabbed and locked onto a bed. An injection of drugs is put in the person. Or the person is given electric shock against their will. Or both.

You said you work. That is therapy. Just staying busy is therapy. Exercise can also help. Jogging or lifting weights. Interacting with the physical world in some way. Working with wood or other materials, building things or making art can help. Being in nature can help.

n00b, listen to this person at your own risk. He/she is clearly paranoid. He/she is right in one respect, though: all kinds of exercise do help. I say this out of own experience and there are many studies which confirm it.

It doesn't sound like you have dissociative identity disorder to me. But I am never going to try to diagnose somebody, especially from a post on a forum.

Again, I clearly stated that I'm not a psychiatrist. Didn't you read my post properly?

 

[sleepy dog]

First of all, I'm a new member, so just a note:
I don't speak english natively, so ask any questions about something I wrote that might have been confusing, and try to teach me something if possible

well, im stuck inside, since I was little, whenever I was in crisis I thought this, I feel trapped inside my own head, as if the whole world was walking and suddenly I stopped, a kind of fog formed inside my mind, no line of reasoning can follow far.
as if I had every possibility to do what I should, just put one leg and then the other, but nothing works, my body does not respond to my wishes
as if anxiety were the damn fog, soon it started to build the cage
I've always tried to be very observant about how feelings happen inside me, and that's it, it all starts with inexplicable anxiety, and then it goes into anguish and sadness, as if one thing were a consequence of another, because I couldn't manage to move i start to get distressed and everything will bury me from there
I have many plans, not necessarily for my own gain, in fact few are, most are about projects where I can make access to information really universal, but anyway, that's beside the point,I would basically need to spend a little time to study and get my hands dirty but absolutely can't, get distracted, do any other shit that won't produce me anything
obviously suicidal thinking goes with it, I've tried it a few times, but like everything else in my life I haven't been the least bit obstinate in achieving it.

About these suicidal thoughts, much of what I see is people say they feel suffering and therefore want to end it in the "most practical" way, but most of the time I don't feel that way. Of course there were times when the anguish was so great that I just wanted to explode and make it happen all at once, but most of the time it's just a thought that comes "innocently" for no reason.keeps hammering my head, poking me annoyingly, until it starts to root and forcibly find logical reasons for it as if it were an intruder inside me. In addition, during the period of my life when I was realizing my personality and ideas, I have always found it very fair, but few can put it into practice when I really have the opportunity, as if I am not who I really am or at least want to be. .
I don't know exactly what to do, I think if I give in and try to rephrase my ideas from what I do, maybe it's a way to better accept me and understand that this is all part of me, and it's not invasive stuff but at the same time, from the point of view I have now, I would be a terrible person. Is it really worth fighting against me, against the "evil" inside me or should I just give in to it?
blame, blame, blame that so much afflicts me, I'd just like to be able to move before thinking of death

b00t - In this thread, you can see that many people regret getting involved with psychiatrists. I am just trying to warn others. You will do what you think is best of course. I wish the best for you.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...de-that-got-you-to-where-you-are-today.28836/

 

[chris8000]

This was quite an interesting discussion to read. The psychiatrists I saw said not to label my condition and carry on meditating, here I am years later and I think they gave me good advice. I wasn't pushed any drugs. This is a bit unusual, but it illustrates a point.

My point is not all psychiatrists, the therapies they use, and conditions are the same, and it would be quite extreme to say stay away from mainstream medicine for psychological problems. Obviously it can really help people, we know that from scientific studies of CBT and the drugs they use. The field is now incorperating mindfulness in our country based on many successful clinical trials, this is very good. This isn't to say they (the psychiatrists) can't do damage as well because of side effects from drugs, because that happens to many people as well, and it is good to be wary about that to some extent. However, I think some people do need those drugs and the support system.

This was the point I think @Sensei was getting at which I agree with, especially with some disorders and some very serious cases of those disorders, the person is unable to treat themselves and alternative methods can be dangerous or ineffective for that person because they have something really wrong with them and can hardly function. In certain cases, they may need a strong drug to calm them down. In other cases, the ill person may get some good psychiatrists, like I did that encouraged me to stay away from drugs, because they weren't appropiate for me personally, and work on other methods.

This is just my opinion, I have two family members that work in psych hospitals, and been through some more mild to moderate issues myself. I am not saying the system doesn't need reforming and can't harm people, but it can be useful.