Venting "If somebody really wants to kill themselves, they will find a way to kill themselves"

[ijustwishtodie]

It's just, fuck, this statement made by pro lifers is just so fucking disrespectful and incorrect. Some people here, like me, want to be dead but we are trapped in existence and can't find a way out. The statement also gets used in response to hearing about somebody dying in a brutal, harsh way which causes their body to get all mangled up. It's like- why won't they rather have us die peacefully or take a pill to get out of here? It's just "no, no, if somebody wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way to do so". I hate this pro life world so fucking much.

Today I tried to find some random rivers that I could go to drown in for when I inevitably become homeless and I honestly wasn't scared of the idea of jumping in. I really wasn't as the pain caused by me merely existing is far worse than whatever pain I'd have to endure via drowning. However, jumping into those rivers won't work as it's just so shallow to where I can easily see the bottom of it. I'd definitely survive if I jumped as there's just no way I can drown in that. I hate this world so much and I hate pro lifers for acting like everybody can easily kill themselves if they want to (whilst they simultaneously refuse to give us euthanasia). I can't see pro lifers as nice or kind, to me they're psychopathic as they'd rather have us die horrifically and is okay with that because "if somebody really wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way to kill themselves"

 

[Marco77]

Pro-lifers deserve the worst in life. They are monsters disguised as saviors.

 

[SVEN]

Those who say that have just never walked a mile in your shoes.

 

[maniac116]

I'm sorry that your existence is so painful

 

[NoPoint2Life]

Agree. Ctb isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing.

 

[justanotherloser]

It's just, fuck, this statement made by pro lifers is just so fucking disrespectful and incorrect. Some people here, like me, want to be dead but we are trapped in existence and can't find a way out. The statement also gets used in response to hearing about somebody dying in a brutal, harsh way which causes their body to get all mangled up. It's like- why won't they rather have us die peacefully or take a pill to get out of here? It's just "no, no, if somebody wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way to do so". I hate this pro life world so fucking much.

Today I tried to find some random rivers that I could go to drown in for when I inevitably become homeless and I honestly wasn't scared of the idea of jumping in. I really wasn't as the pain caused by me merely existing is far worse than whatever pain I'd have to endure via drowning. However, jumping into those rivers won't work as it's just so shallow to where I can easily see the bottom of it. I'd definitely survive if I jumped as there's just no way I can drown in that. I hate this world so much and I hate pro lifers for acting like everybody can easily kill themselves if they want to (whilst they simultaneously refuse to give us euthanasia). I can't see pro lifers as nice or kind, to me they're psychopathic as they'd rather have us die horrifically and is okay with that because "if somebody really wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way to kill themselves"

Had a trauma therapist say this the other day, along with "well I know you'll take this as a challenge" and "you'll probably hate me for this" and said it anyway.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Those who say that have just never walked a mile in your shoes.

True. If they were in my shoes, I bet that they wouldn't even be able to walk a mile

I'm sorry that your existence is so painful

Thank you. Unfortunately I can only be at peace when I'm dead since I'm just not made for life.

Agree. Ctb isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing.

This!! It would be nice if more people knew this in general, even the people here.

Had a trauma therapist say this the other day, along with "well I know you'll take this as a challenge" and "you'll probably hate me for this" and said it anyway.

Wtf, that's so messed up. Treating suicide as some sort of challenge is so messed up. The entire point of suicide for some people is to be dead so that they don't suffer any more, not to go through a challenge. I'd normally be apathetic if somebody told me to kill myself as I want to die anyway but even I would be pissed at that therapist

 

[sevennn]

yeah it's a very disgusting statement. i hate it. i've seen gruesome pictures of suicides. i don't know how they can say that, they need to really look at these pictures too and say it again. see if they think it's ok that people die like that after really seeing it. it's basically saying "if someone is under incredible pain they need to have a gruesome death too" sure why not. its honestly disgusting.

Had a trauma therapist say this the other day, along with "well I know you'll take this as a challenge" and "you'll probably hate me for this" and said it anyway.

that's awful. and they are a trauma therapist? what's wrong with people

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

I perceive it as a challenge. Well, challenge accepted. They better not feel any guilt when I win the challenge.

 

[FlufflesAway]

Latest social media challenge going viral. Experts explain why your loved ones are at risk of the "respawn challenge". School teachers alarmed at the risky behaviour of children.

 

[divinemistress36]

My mom has said shit like this. They assume its easy to just go kill yourself

 

[yxmux]

I feel like people who are content with saying something so obviously absurd it's trivial to immediately disregard it without any forethought are saying it out of malicious intent. That, or they are incredibly fucking stupid, which is also likely. This is like saying poor or homeless people will find a way (that works) to not be poor or homeless if they really want to, which is unfortunately a common belief as well.

 

[Forever Sleep]

They may try. There's no guarantee they'll succeed. Plus- either they managed to suspend the huge amount of stress that they could very well fail and make things hundreds of times worse for themselves or maybe, they just didn't know how reliable or unreliable their method was. They just winged it and either got lucky or, didn't.

I agree though- it's a massively dismissive thing to say. No one can measure another's pain. I think that's what it comes down to too. As in- things can't be that bad for you because you haven't risked maiming yourself yet. Gee- thanks.

 

[Nicholas22231]

I never get the reason why people limit safe ctb methods, wouldn't it better for everyone?

In my country most people die by jumping from buildings and standing in train tracks-- and it almost always traumatizes innocent bystanders and mangle people's bodies to the point that they're unrecognizeable, if most people understood that ctb cant be prevented (context: I live in a muslim country and ctb is considered worse than murder by some, but the suicide rates just keep going higher) then why can't we make it more humane?

Why do people get shamed even beyond the grave for taking their own life? It doesn't harm anyone else and unlike the majority of deaths (illness, accidents, famine, war etc etc) suicide is purely CONSENSUAL.

I'm convinced it's because the majority of people don't want to admit that suffering can be avoided rather easily.

 

[TAW122]

I agree, what an inane statement that pro-lifers like to throw around and about! While there are people who will "attempt" there are many who will fail and end up in worse conditions (vegetative state, serious and likely permanent debility), and even those who do succeed, as others have mentioned in this thread, they will be traumatized and such. To further add insult to injury, these same people, the pro-lifers/anti-choicers will complain about how these brutal deaths (for the ones who manage to successfully CTB) traumatize, inconvenience, or otherwise create problems for them (physically, logistically, morally, and more), yet they are adamantly against assisted suicide with safeguards. checks, waiting periods, and processes to guarantee a peaceful, dignified exit.