I phoned a counsellor

[Deleted member 18655]

My city's offering free counselling services over the phone. I signed up yesterday on a whim (and with an alias). She phoned me first thing this morning. I was honest about everything except having a Plan. I'm not interested in going down the road of police involvement.

What I thought would happen did happen:

- she was very sympathetic with how shitty my life has been
- she could give no real help with how to get through this or how to effectively deal with my issues
- she suggested I keep phoning back for therapy, even though she admitted that "talking things through" won't solve or alleviate anything
- I hung up with no more hope than I had prior, and a confirmation that my best hope is to ctb

I'm not sure what I was expecting - a renewed reason to live or someone to talk me down (without bringing up the subject) or a change of heart? I got none of them. I feel even more destitute and alone certain that I have no other options. Other than the other half of this life as miserable as the first half. Which is not an option.

I can say that I did try.

 

[Kumachan]

Id be surprised if talking would somehow turn things around and youd be like "hey things are not that bad! I can see it now!" ive always wondered how these things work...

 

[whitelacedress]

I mean if she didnt give any real help or some kind of relief, even if just a little, shes just not a good therapist. Or you just need more time with her, so she can get to know you better, and can give real advice. I go to one, she helps me a lot. I would try again.

 

[Polly]

My city's offering free counselling services over the phone. I signed up yesterday on a whim (and with an alias). She phoned me first thing this morning. I was honest about everything except having a Plan. I'm not interested in going down the road of police involvement.

What I thought would happen did happen:

- she was very sympathetic with how shitty my life has been
- she could give no real help with how to get through this or how to effectively deal with my issues
- she suggested I keep phoning back for therapy, even though she admitted that "talking things through" won't solve or alleviate anything
- I hung up with no more hope than I had prior, and a confirmation that my best hope is to ctb

I'm not sure what I was expecting - a renewed reason to live or someone to talk me down (without bringing up the subject) or a change of heart? I got none of them. I feel even more destitute and alone certain that I have no other options. Other than the other half of this life as miserable as the first half. Which is not an option.

I can say that I did try.

Yep my experience also

 

[HelensNepenthe]

One of the harshest realities while going to therapy is the comment that my one psychologist said. It was something along the lines of, in a more lighten phrasing, that there are things we just have to endure in life that no one can help us with. No form of therapy will be able to help you endure your problems.

It was a bit insensitive at the time, and was what made me really reconsider ever going to therapy. Therapists are to me anyway glorified people who knod their heads. It's the same likemindedness I have with college professors; they're glorified powerpoint readers.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

I mean if she didnt give any real help or some kind of relief, even if just a little, shes just not a good therapist. Or you just need more time with her, so she can get to know you better, and can give real advice. I go to one, she helps me a lot. I would try again.

If I could bring up anything I've brought up on this site and have dialogue about wanting to die, I would consider it. But the liability factor - which is brought up in the preamble - means that the conversation can only go so far. I'd like to talk about ctb and possibly have an intellectual dialogue about it but I have little faith that it's a possibility.

 

[whitelacedress]

If I could bring up anything I've brought up on this site and have dialogue about wanting to die, I would consider it. But the liability factor - which is brought up in the preamble - means that the conversation can only go so far. I'd like to talk about ctb and possibly have an intellectual dialogue about it but I have little faith that it's a possibility.

I think she only have to call the police if you have a plan and intent, but if you just say you want to die, first of all I think you would feel a little relief, and she could investigate further and give you advice on that actually helps

 

[AcornUnderground]

I have gotten MUCH help from therapy in the past to navigate issues such as a bad marriage or a personal crisis. They can offer no solution to clinical depression, anxiety or physical illness.

 

[faust]

That is the case when words should be replaced by actions. If these services do not give you valuable advice what to do, then same therapy you can have somewhere in the pub with a very drunk person. If there is nothing they can recommend you to start doing right now, this is just a phone call with no outcomes. Especially for you there is no time to talk, if you want to change something, then you need instructions. Talking does not really nullify all the problems.

 

[SpottedPanda]

In a moment of desperate boredom, post midnight, a couple of weeks ago, I joined Reddit. I was greeted with one of those ads for online counselling. In a moment of weakness I did the questionnaire. It asked about suicide, when I last felt suicidal, and if I had a plan. After answering all the questions it said I wasn't suitable.

In like spirit, my psychiatrist recently learned of my suicidal thinking, and asked me if I thought therapy might help. I told him I'd seen a psychologist in the psychiatric ward, and I thought it was crap. The topic didn't come up after that.

I have a joke that I think only I'd understand, or maybe only I would find funny. How do you confuse a psychiatrist? Just go along with everything he/she says.

Regardless, both setbacks on the route to counselling/therapy only aided me to strengthen my suicide resolve.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

"I phoned a counselor"


Never tell anyone about depression or suicidal thought they will only punish you.

 

[GoBack]

One of the harshest realities while going to therapy is the comment that my one psychologist said. It was something along the lines of, in a more lighten phrasing, that there are things we just have to endure in life that no one can help us with. No form of therapy will be able to help you endure your problems.

It was a bit insensitive at the time, and was what made me really reconsider ever going to therapy. Therapists are to me anyway glorified people who knod their heads. It's the same likemindedness I have with college professors; they're glorified powerpoint readers.

I realized years ago that going to therapists for certain things is like the blind leading the blind. Stuff like child abuse for example. It only in the last few decades that people even speak out about this stuff. The generations before kept it quiet.

So they truly don't know yet how to "get over" these things. Or how to live with them healthily . It's still trial and error. What she said to you was really harsh, but is maybe just one persons opinion

 

[whitelacedress]

"I phoned a counselor"
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Never tell anyone about depression or suicidal thought they will only punish you.

How did they punish you? Thats inhuman

 

[TheGoodGuy]

How did they punish you? Thats inhuman

Not me because I kept my mouth shut but you will be locked up in a psyched ward i.e. kidnapping or if you legally own guns they will be taken way i.e. stolen from you.

 

[whitelacedress]

Not me because I kept my mouth shut but you will be locked up in a psyched ward i.e. kidnapping or if you legally own guns they will be taken way i.e. stolen from you.

Good therapists dont do that, if they dont believe you will hurt yourself any time soon

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Good therapists dont do that, if they dont believe you will hurt yourself any time soon

But I do intend to do that so if I don´t tell that I won´t be opening up fully anyways so I will get punished as I mentioned in my previous post.

 

[whitelacedress]

But I do intend to do that so if I don´t tell that I won´t be opening up fully anyways so I will get punished as I mentioned in my previous post.

I think if you are planning to do it, and you want help, you shouldn fear the police, they wont lock you up, they are there to help. I dont think police is punishment, they just transport you to a place where you can get help.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I think if you are planning to do it, and you want help, you shouldn fear the police, they wont lock you up, they are there to help. I dont think police is punishment, they just transport you to a place where you can get help.

Police exist to FORCE laws upon us we never consented to so no they are not there to help us. Also stealing my possesions such as guns is morally wrong no matter what any law I didnt consent to says.

 

[SpottedPanda]

Police exist to FORCE laws upon us we never consented to so no they are not there to help us. Also stealing my possesions such as guns is morally wrong no matter what any law I didnt consent to says.

To live in a world where that'd be a concern. If I was found with a gun I'd be headed straight for UK jail.

 

[whitelacedress]

Police exist to FORCE laws upon us we never consented to so no they are not there to help us. Also stealing my possesions such as guns is morally wrong no matter what any law I didnt consent to says.

Yes in this case they force you to go to the hospital, but there you get help, not directly from the police. I wouldn mention the gun, so they dont take it away, you can lie and say you want to hang yourself. I think everyone should try the hospital at least once, it can really help you

 

[TheGoodGuy]

To live in a world where that'd be a concern. If I was found with a gun I'd be headed straight for UK jail.

Yup if you didn´t have a license (you can still own hunter guns in the UK).

But for your post that is called a kidnapping just because the government use their law enforcers (the police) and call it arresting people instead of kidnapping doesn´t make it so. Also owning weapons is an essensial right and have been for thousands of years, humans don´t have thangs, claws or brute strenghts only the mind to make weapons to defend ourselves with e.g. knives, swords, spears, bows, firearms. The police isn´t out personal security gaurds who sorrounds us in any given time to protect us when SECONDS count police are MINUTES away we are our own first responder if we get attacked we don´t have 15-20 minutes to wait for help from armed people (police) when we should be armed ourselves so we can defend ourselves.

Yes in this case they force you to go to the hospital, but there you get help, not directly from the police. I wouldn mention the gun, so they dont take it away, you can lie and say you want to hang yourself. I think everyone should try the hospital at least once, it can really help you

I don´t need to mention it for them to know I own one since I own a big gun safe which is required by law in Denmark, even the ammunition has to be stored in a different locked compartment in the safe so the gun is completely useless if I were to use it for self-defense which is also illegal in Denmark even if a person broke into my appartment and imo that is negligent because then that person could steal my guns and use them for harm that is also why the police are allowed to shoot and kill someone if someone is going for their gun.

"help" you say so that justifies kidnapping? Also as I went off on someone yesterday you don´t know me I got a dozen physical and mental problems several are chronic problems which means they can never be fixed so it´s insulting to me for you to say that it can help me when it can´t! And it´s impossible to try and fix your mental health when your physical health is so bad then it´s all you can focus on.