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noname223

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I am scared to be ignorant like my dad. And I think in some instances I am pretty ignorant.

In my self-help group I asked the former organizer something about borderline people. He had a BPD gf. And I wanted to know some things. I was friends with a borderline woman and I was a little bit scared the friendship could become toxic. I was pretty close to a BPD female before which escalated. And he said in a rather subtle way that my questions were quite offensive. I was pretty scared about that and I apologized. He was pretty smart, smarter than me.

Then this quantum physics professor. He considered me an intellectual grifter. And this is damn true. He could not name one positive thing about me. However, I never told him the truth about my suicidality. He thought my fears were delusional and I would be pissed at him for pointing that out. But I could not tell him the truth. That actually my therapist gave me up and one of my core reasons for suicidality is poverty. I knew I was in a clinic and saying that would be inapproriate towards another patient. This is something I never understood about him. He was by far the smartest person I ever talked to but how could he assume another patient could tell him the actual truth why he has to commit suicide? In some ways that's pretty stupid. I had to let him believe my fears were irrational and only existed in my head.

I think I define myself way too much over intelligence. And that's a nasty trait. I am not that smart. But I am smart enough to realize that I am horrible. I read so much about politics but I will always remain a grifter.

In psychosis patients there is the problem they think there was the actual truth. And this actual truth is usually a delusion. For example a religious one, or something like we live in a simulation.
Here comes the problem what if the delusion is sort of the reality? How can one differentiate between the delusional truth and the actual truth. Sometimes the way people think about these issues is distorted. Some schizophrenics might think they were genuises in quantum physics but they only have a very simplified/false understanding of it. How to falsify religlious delusions?
That's more difficult. One could probably point out that the religious beliefs differ between people who experience psychosis from people without psychosis who believe in God.
In my case I was extremely determined that I will kill myself. And well my therapists gave me up. They had to make the case that this won't happen. And instead they rather reinforced my determinism about my future. Now comes the question what weighs more. Factual arguments why it might end with suicide. Or that I have a bias that makes me believe suicide is inevitable? And maybe my thinking is just skewed. The thing is I think my therapists are morons. I tend to believe the quantum physics professor that said future is unpredictable. A lot of times things happened which my therapists considered impossible. And I have a better life quality without this extreme hopelessness. I read some things about futurology. And they recommend to think in scenarios. And also to prepare for seemingly impossible scenarios. One key fundation is don't be passive when it comes to the future. Try to contribute creating it. I thought about that lesson and concluded this means I need to go to college and give my best. But this totally backfired and almost drove me to commit suicide. Now I gave up college and feel so much better. It is like rolling the dice. One goal is to find a significant other. And socializing is important for that. It is a gamble now. But for the moment I feel way better.

To come back to the original thought of this thread. I have the feeling I need to hate myself about certain traits before other people can hate me for that. But this logic is also skewed because really smart people would not judge me this hard considering how much traumatas I went through. I wonder whether actually loving myself would be the smartest solution. Currently, I rather think hating myself for my obvious flaws was the smartest way to go. I am conflicted. Maybe I could accept in therapy my flaws more if I reminded myself that I am who I am. And there are way worse people out there.
 
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Hey, very insightful post, and I just want to say that you're much smarter than you give yourself credit. Not that being smart has ever made anyone's life happier, but still, you put down in words thoughts that have been haunting my mind for a long time, which I never knew how to articulate. Also emotional intelligence and general level of intellect are very different, and honestly I don't know how much link there is between them. The wise dumbass and the oblivious smartass, are both kinds of people I've met plenty of. Anyway, this thought in particular feels very familiar to my mind:
I am not that smart. But I am smart enough to realize that I am horrible.

I'm sorry for your experience with therapists, half the time I don't understand why some of these people choose psychology/psychiatry as their line of work, if they're so impatient. I've only just started my "treatment", and got a pretty bad first impression. But people say you have to keep looking, which, if you don't have money or control over your life, is not always an option.

Another thing I want to thank you for expressing is this:
I have the feeling I need to hate myself about certain traits before other people can hate me for that.

This is a tactic of mental defense that I've been utilizing probably since early childhood. People think, if you're your biggest critic, no external criticism will be even close, so you're "protected". But all it really does is just makes you miserable. I too am very conflicted on this. It isn't enough to be aware of your flaws, and just spotting a behavior doesn't prevent it from repeating. I wish it was that simple.

Sorry if this was incoherent and all over the place, that's why I can't articulate my thoughts well. It's been 50 minutes since I began writing this, with all the editing and backtracking... Anyway, if you're still in therapy, I commend your perseverance, and wish you best of luck. Unfortunately, for this kind of stuff you need it.
 
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I think you probably worry so much about what other peoole think of you that, it seems you are likely to check yourself before you say something too offensive.

Regarding the conversation about the Borderline lady. I'm wondering if it simply just looked too transactional to the guy. People head over heels in love probably accept their partners- problems and all. Maybe they shouldn't though. I actually think it's sensible in a way to notice red flags and ponder whether a relationship with a particular person could end up being hurtful.

My own character wouldn't suit someone with Borderline symptoms- as I understand them anyway. I've heard that they can be very intense one moment and, cold the next. It's not exactly discrimatory to think that maybe our own issues- for example, fear of abandonment would be unable to cope with that.

As for intelligence- wasn't it Socrates that said: 'The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing'?

But, you seem very well aware of what you consider to be faults. Needing to appear intelligent could be one- if it's so damaging to you when people don't see it. The larger problem is how to mitigate that though. It seems like you do do that though. You present different arguments, you make it clear when you are not an expert on something. You're conscious not to cause offence. You seem to spend a lot of time checking yourself.

Ultimately though, we all make judgements about one another. It's unlikely many of us will be universally loved and appreciated by all. Diversity I guess is what makes us interesting. Would you prefer to be everyone's 'fair weather' friend or, have a smaller number of close friendships? I imagine most people would opt for the latter. But that maybe means we have certain quirks that some people love, while others hate.

Weirdly, the closest friendships I've had have likely been because we shared the same insecurities- faults effectively.
 
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