I normally love this guy, but he is out of line here, most of us are suicidal, and even those who "teach" others how to do it are suicidal as well. He's talking about stuff he clearly doesn't understand, he makes us out to be monsters getting off on the ctb of others, while many of us want to ctb, but for whatever reason are unable to do it.
I normally love this guy, but he is out of line here, most of us are suicidal, and even those who "teach" others how to do it are suicidal as well. He's talking about stuff he clearly doesn't understand, he makes us out to be monsters getting off on the ctb of others, while many of us want to ctb, but for whatever reason are unable to do it.
Mofreeko
Arcanist
- Apr 7, 2019
- 478
He's just a normie doing what normies do. We just have to accept the fact that the vast majority of people find suicide abhorrent and will do everything in their power to take easy methods out of our hands. Of course, once a method is banned they pat themselves on the back for being heroes and immediately stop thinking about the actual suicidal people they've "helped" who are now only left with painful and violent ways to opt out of life.
Pluto
Meowing to go out
- Dec 27, 2020
- 3,861
Read through some comments. Only about 2 pertained to the mere possibility of legitimate suicide and debates around end-of-life bodily autonomy. Most were worshipping the creator and blasting Amazon for an AI algorithm oversight.
A few calling us evil monsters who get off on luring others to suicide and should be locked up. (What, why not capital punishment while the armchair lynch mob is going?) Funnily enough, the 'evil monster' label does seem appropriate for the psychopathic abusers that brought me to this point. But let's only attack the victims of inescapable suffering since they are the ones showing identifiable symptoms. Thanks.
A few calling us evil monsters who get off on luring others to suicide and should be locked up. (What, why not capital punishment while the armchair lynch mob is going?) Funnily enough, the 'evil monster' label does seem appropriate for the psychopathic abusers that brought me to this point. But let's only attack the victims of inescapable suffering since they are the ones showing identifiable symptoms. Thanks.
freedompass
Warlock
- Jan 27, 2021
- 768
We must accept their right to override our will to decide what's best for us! Since we are clearly mentally incompetent and must therefore forfeit all free will and bow down before the superior power of Norm. To want to end our pain is quite simply wrong and they are the good guys riding in on their white steed of righteousness with their YouTube sycophants ready to applaud their heroism!
I didn't want to subject myself to additional stress of reading the comments but I did see at least a few dissenting ones. It would not surprise me if he deleted those, I saw mine disappear despite it was restrained and informative. Maybe he wants to preserve his admiring echo chamber and suppress all disagreement. I don't know the guy but purely based on that video he's an idiot and should stick to what he knows about.
If it's any comfort he will doubtless have unwittingly got us a few new members…
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y0dha
Student
- Feb 10, 2022
- 104
SIncerely disappointing with this guy, I liked some of his contents but yeah he get the normie's opinion on this one, and can't understand that some people are living hell and there's no cure to heir hell so they want to leave hell and find peace....
Mofreeko
Arcanist
- Apr 7, 2019
- 478
No. Can we not promote violence here please?
makethepainstop
Visionary
- Sep 16, 2022
- 2,032
Not to promote violence, wishing these little prolifers, would have pause when it comes to saving people who don't want to be saved. No one's life should be controlled by another, and certainly not by someone that doesn't know you. I said it would be delicious IF...I didn't say to do it. When people have their skin in the game, they don't like to make decisions about other people that might make those other people angry!
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 2,132
He said at 4:44 that there has been a "250% increase of chemical X ingestion since 2018", which suggests we have a pandemic of SN deaths. But that's not the case. I have explicitiely addressed this talking point in my thread here, in which I explained that SN deaths are a very tiny percentage of all suicides and it's just 1% of all poisoning suicides. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/debunking-the-sn-hysteria.99356/#post-1721814
This happens when you do research with a very specific narrative in mind and when you just replicate talking points from the media without actually questioning them. Hey dude, how about you read some of my posts before you release such a video with misleading numbers? I'm the admin of the forum you badmouth after all. I don't think he has bad intentions but he has obviously a pro-life stance when it comes to suicide and his video reflects that pretty well. For example he also implies at 8:40 that long-term members aren't actually suicidal because if they were, they would have committed suicide already, which makes very clear to me that he doesn't understand suicidality and it's dilemma at all.
And at 14:18 he literally says this:
"And I do legitimately know that someone determined could most likely find the website and product that I have discussed today, based on the information I have provided but someone who is determined enough to dig that deep is going to find what they're looking for, regardless of what I do, say, censor or report on."
You're spot on. You just pointed out why suicide prevention, the way we do it right now, doesn't work because right now it relies on censoring information regarding peaceful suicides and intervention that violates our individual autonomy.
This happens when you do research with a very specific narrative in mind and when you just replicate talking points from the media without actually questioning them. Hey dude, how about you read some of my posts before you release such a video with misleading numbers? I'm the admin of the forum you badmouth after all. I don't think he has bad intentions but he has obviously a pro-life stance when it comes to suicide and his video reflects that pretty well. For example he also implies at 8:40 that long-term members aren't actually suicidal because if they were, they would have committed suicide already, which makes very clear to me that he doesn't understand suicidality and it's dilemma at all.
And at 14:18 he literally says this:
"And I do legitimately know that someone determined could most likely find the website and product that I have discussed today, based on the information I have provided but someone who is determined enough to dig that deep is going to find what they're looking for, regardless of what I do, say, censor or report on."
You're spot on. You just pointed out why suicide prevention, the way we do it right now, doesn't work because right now it relies on censoring information regarding peaceful suicides and intervention that violates our individual autonomy.
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look Amazons logo looks like a phallus
There was also a thread about the lawsuit.
I think it's easy to lose sight of things when we disagree so fundamentally, there is nuance.
I don't like what happened to prompt the lawsuit, at the same time I don't like many facets of the lawsuit itself.
I'm glad Amazon having something available benefitted certain people but I see the argument for not making it freely available for absolutely everyone. I hate how predatory their systems are too, intentional or not.
This is a great site for its ideals but we have to recognise when a user "pushes the boundaries" (just... look up the mentioned user's posts...)
I think it's easy to lose sight of things when we disagree so fundamentally, there is nuance.
I don't like what happened to prompt the lawsuit, at the same time I don't like many facets of the lawsuit itself.
I'm glad Amazon having something available benefitted certain people but I see the argument for not making it freely available for absolutely everyone. I hate how predatory their systems are too, intentional or not.
This is a great site for its ideals but we have to recognise when a user "pushes the boundaries" (just... look up the mentioned user's posts...)
freedompass
Warlock
- Jan 27, 2021
- 768
Are you talking about MtG? He was banned as an unsavoury predator some weeks ago. No one to my knowledge is defending him and it was disingenuous of this youtuber to cite him as representative of the community in any way.
actual_fox
Arcanist
- Sep 15, 2022
- 469
Life_and_Death
Do what's best for you 🕯️ Sometimes I'm stressed
- Jul 1, 2020
- 6,828
reading this got me thinking.....theyre the ones forcing us to CTB. "youre teaching....." yeah but no...we only know that stuff because we're suicidal as well. so basically what youre saying is because we've been dealing with SI (whatever other reasons) we're not actually suicidal, invalidating about half of the forum making them feel like they have to kill themselves and go through with it just to be heard, to prove a point. good job
LesbianCarpetPython
Smell lord
- Sep 24, 2022
- 151
Yeah.
Not sure if I got that impression, seemed kinda singled out, but sure. I guess the point I was trying to make was if that's the kind of thing that can happen then there's room for more vigilance. I'm not aware of everything they ever posted and when but it seems like they were active for some time.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 37,187
That is just pro life nonsense which of course is best avoided. A lot of pro lifers are ignorant of the cruel reality of this existence, what is the benefit to suffering until old age, I see none. Life has no purpose or no value, life is just unnecessary problems and misery. Death solves everything for me, if I die I cannot suffer, I see suffering as something bad and something to be avoided. Things could even get worse for the pro lifers and then they would want methods, as after all any human could end up in extreme pain at any moment, what is good about that.
The truth is that some people simply don't want to be here and many others are trapped in unbearable situations. It's cruel to deny people method options and make suicide as difficult for people as possible who are already suffering. We will all die anyway so I would prefer to exit when the time is right for me. The right to die should always be respected. I view suicide as being more rational anyway than choosing to exist in a world where there is unlimited potential for pain.
The truth is that some people simply don't want to be here and many others are trapped in unbearable situations. It's cruel to deny people method options and make suicide as difficult for people as possible who are already suffering. We will all die anyway so I would prefer to exit when the time is right for me. The right to die should always be respected. I view suicide as being more rational anyway than choosing to exist in a world where there is unlimited potential for pain.
Cathy Ames
Cautionary Tale
- Mar 11, 2022
- 2,105
Off topic, but... OMG, and now that you've pointed it out, I cannot unsee it!!!!
Dead Ghost
Mestre del Temps
- May 6, 2022
- 1,338
Hahaha, in Catalan a "pallĂşs" is a fool, a piece of donkey.
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Hahaha, en catalĂ un "pallĂşs" Ă©s un babau, un tros d'ase.
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Hahaha, en catalĂ un "pallĂşs" Ă©s un babau, un tros d'ase.
Interestingly, I have some sympathy for the original poster. The fact is, taking one's life has extremely negative effects on people around that person. This is quite apparent when you read many of the threads here; a great number of people are struggling with this issue (I am, it keeps me from seriously taking steps to end things). And so from the outside, the act is abhorrent, seems incredibly selfish, and should be avoided at all costs.
Unfortunately, this ignores the pain with which people are living. On a daily basis. And to simply demonize things is not a solution.
The fact is, I very much hesitated ever visiting this sight, and then spent months here before ever posting. What I've found is support for the pain in my life, understanding for my depression. I don't believe there is any other forum in which I could've expressed myself the way I have here. If I spoke this way to therapist I'd find myself hospitalized and/or medicated. If the original poster spent any time on this site, they should've ALSO observed a place where people who are depressed get support. Yes there is practical information, and tutorials. But there's simply a lot of understanding as well.
Unfortunately, this ignores the pain with which people are living. On a daily basis. And to simply demonize things is not a solution.
The fact is, I very much hesitated ever visiting this sight, and then spent months here before ever posting. What I've found is support for the pain in my life, understanding for my depression. I don't believe there is any other forum in which I could've expressed myself the way I have here. If I spoke this way to therapist I'd find myself hospitalized and/or medicated. If the original poster spent any time on this site, they should've ALSO observed a place where people who are depressed get support. Yes there is practical information, and tutorials. But there's simply a lot of understanding as well.
That level of understanding has taken some of the emotional heat from my life, had i not been able to be open and anonymous on this site i would have already taken my own life. It has allowed me to buy time, switch my medications for physical pain, (yes i live with unbearable physical pain every day that will not get better) and at least live happily once again for some time. Until my medications I'm on now inevitably fail me. This site didn't give me death it gave me life, allowing me to stave off my ctb for a little while. One day i will eventually do it, there's no stopping that, but at least this site has given me more time than i ever thought i would have. I am eternally grateful for these communities, and the fact someone like me can not choose suicide is a shame. I always tell these people if you want sites like these to die, legalize physicians assisted suicide. That's the only way to get rid of websites like these, people will not go for treatment if they will be locked up and abused.
