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Codename_Joryu

Codename_Joryu

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Dec 15, 2023
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I'm 21 years old this year and I've never gone on a date or had a girlfriend. I'm always told to just be patient and wait for the right person to come, that there's someone for everyone. But I'm just so tired of waiting all the time for something that will never even happen. Everything about me is just so wrong, nothing in me is worth loving. My looks, personality, the way I act, the way I think, the way I present myself. I'm just so rotten to the core and I'm unlovable in every way imaginable. I'm no one's favourite, never a priority, only a side character in everyone's life. Everyone says I'm a good person and I would make such a good boyfriend, but no one would ever give me a chance. I'm only able to watch other people being happy in a relationship while I drown in loneliness that's slowly killing me from the inside. I'm so desperate for love and affection but I never get it, it makes me feel like an absolute failure and the lowest form of life on earth. I only want the best for everyone around me, but for some reason I'm always shoved away because of that, and called an incel and a creep. I don't know how to fix myself, because no one is ever honest with me. People just tell me sweet lies that I will find someone, that it's not embarrasing at all to be a 20 year old virgin, instead of telling me the truth and saying just what makes me so fucking fundamentally unloveable in the first place. This is literal hell, a torture that I would never wish on anyone.
 
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Bootleg Astolfo

Bootleg Astolfo

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Oct 12, 2020
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Same, but at 29. Don't worry, it doesnt get better ! Don't bother with all the 'self improovement'' stuff, the better a person you become, the worse it hurts to see that you're the only idiot who actually bothered doing any of it, and that you'd be objectively better off in every way shape or form if you were a proper sack of shit.

*wildly gestures at my junkie piece of shit step bro, my dad and his extreme anger issues, my morbidly obese mother, and the pedo my best friend's dating, as exemple as to why it's not worth bothering*
 
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whotookmylexapro

whotookmylexapro

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Jan 19, 2024
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Not telling you what to feel, but i feel like it's a good thing to be single while suicidal. I tried getting in a relationship but i just couldn't make it work with my suicidal ideation, no matter how much i liked them. Not to mention the pain you will cause them when you inevitably ctb, because a singlular person isn't gonna fix your suicidality. You gotta be careful whose life you get into because of all the emotional baggage you carry.
 
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Codename_Joryu

Codename_Joryu

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Dec 15, 2023
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Not telling you what to feel, but i feel like it's a good thing to be single while suicidal. I tried getting in a relationship but i just couldn't make it work with my suicidal ideation, no matter how much i liked them. Not to mention the pain you will cause them when you inevitably ctb, because a singlular person isn't gonna fix your suicidality. You gotta be careful whose life you get into because of all the emotional baggage you carry.
This is just an excuse for emotionaly immature people. If you really love someone then you'll help them through anything, no matter how bad it is. Forcing people to fix themselves single handedly until they'll "qualify" enough to go into the dating world is the most awful thing to do ever. Especially because I see people in a bad mental state get into relationships all the time, and they are doing just fine. Getting a partner helps a lot, and everyone who says it's not gonna fix anything is just lying to themselves.
 
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lwovely

lwovely

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Oct 13, 2024
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This is just an excuse for emotionaly immature people. If you really love someone then you'll help them through anything, no matter how bad it is. Forcing people to fix themselves single handedly until they'll "qualify" enough to go into the dating world is the most awful thing to do ever. Especially because I see people in a bad mental state get into relationships all the time, and they are doing just fine. Getting a partner helps a lot, and everyone who says it's not gonna fix anything is just lying to themselves.
Yeah but you have to be willing to fix yourself also to do so. It would be so selfish to just expect your partner to fix you when they're not your therapist. Most of the healing is done on your own, having a partner is just added bonus. Love isn't going to be the only reason someone stays, im sorry but there is a limit. You see people who are struggling getting into relationships but you don't see the improvement they're doing to keep their partner. Having the expectation that your partner will save your life will ruin you and your loved one.
 
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MyShadow

MyShadow

Torn between fixing and ending my life
Aug 27, 2025
263
I'm 21 years old this year and I've never gone on a date or had a girlfriend. I'm always told to just be patient and wait for the right person to come, that there's someone for everyone. But I'm just so tired of waiting all the time for something that will never even happen. Everything about me is just so wrong, nothing in me is worth loving. My looks, personality, the way I act, the way I think, the way I present myself. I'm just so rotten to the core and I'm unlovable in every way imaginable. I'm no one's favourite, never a priority, only a side character in everyone's life. Everyone says I'm a good person and I would make such a good boyfriend, but no one would ever give me a chance. I'm only able to watch other people being happy in a relationship while I drown in loneliness that's slowly killing me from the inside. I'm so desperate for love and affection but I never get it, it makes me feel like an absolute failure and the lowest form of life on earth. I only want the best for everyone around me, but for some reason I'm always shoved away because of that, and called an incel and a creep. I don't know how to fix myself, because no one is ever honest with me. People just tell me sweet lies that I will find someone, that it's not embarrasing at all to be a 20 year old virgin, instead of telling me the truth and saying just what makes me so fucking fundamentally unloveable in the first place. This is literal hell, a torture that I would never wish on anyone.
Right now, it's the worst time in human history to date. People have become so fundamentally and unnecessarily cruel to each other, so I am not surprised to hear that you are having trouble finding someone to love.
Maybe it's not you. People have just changed and not for the better and relationships have become transactional. I'm not saying that it's everyone, but most people are generally shitty to each other.
You manifest what you want, so saying that you are "unloveable" is not exactly helping matters. If there's something about yourself that you don't like, work on that but I suggest start being kinder to yourself.

One final thought. Being a human is considerably more difficult today. Everyone is so insecure about so many things. We're all expected to be rich supermodels with expendable income and, some people feel entitled to think that is what they deserve. Avoid these people and their unrealistic expectations.
 
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whyyyyyyyy

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May 26, 2020
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I'm 21 years old this year and I've never gone on a date or had a girlfriend. I'm always told to just be patient and wait for the right person to come, that there's someone for everyone. But I'm just so tired of waiting all the time for something that will never even happen. Everything about me is just so wrong, nothing in me is worth loving. My looks, personality, the way I act, the way I think, the way I present myself. I'm just so rotten to the core and I'm unlovable in every way imaginable. I'm no one's favourite, never a priority, only a side character in everyone's life. Everyone says I'm a good person and I would make such a good boyfriend, but no one would ever give me a chance. I'm only able to watch other people being happy in a relationship while I drown in loneliness that's slowly killing me from the inside. I'm so desperate for love and affection but I never get it, it makes me feel like an absolute failure and the lowest form of life on earth. I only want the best for everyone around me, but for some reason I'm always shoved away because of that, and called an incel and a creep. I don't know how to fix myself, because no one is ever honest with me. People just tell me sweet lies that I will find someone, that it's not embarrasing at all to be a 20 year old virgin, instead of telling me the truth and saying just what makes me so fucking fundamentally unloveable in the first place. This is literal hell, a torture that I would never wish on anyone.
Same at 25. Aside from a little gay sex (forced, I'm unfortunately straight and just unable to get pussy). Everything you say is pretty relatable. I would say though, what's gotten me over sadness is questioning what I really want out of being loved. What exactly is it that you'd get out of that? Of course we all want love in the ideal sense, with the perfect partner and perfect circumstances. But I take in comfort in the thought that this is probably rare or nonexistent. Everyone is ugly if you get to know them long enough, and no one will get you more than you get yourself.

Also, there's love out there that you won't take. You want love, but not from an ugly girl, or a really annoying one, or whatever. Girls have given me chances but I rejected them because they weren't what I wanted. I rejected love that was offered to me, then turn around and complain that I've never been loved. But a beggar can't be a chooser. And there I go choosing, so how can I be mad that I've not been loved? That's one thing with incels- there's probably someone out there who would fuck you, but you just don't want them. Which in a sense just makes you the same as everybody else.

Think about it though, girls are annoying as hell. I won't sugar coat it, the touch and affection of a woman gives a certain joy that no amount of fooling yourself into contentment can replace. but you see guys all over sacrificing so much to have that female affection, that makes you really question the trade off. You can get the addictive company of the opposite sex, but you have to deal with so much bullshit that comes along with it. It comes along with so much, work, so much baggage. I may be fooling myself, but I feel I would almost rather not be needy, even if it means maybe not all my needs are getting met. I'd rather stand secure while alone, even if not totally happy.

Girls are annoying as hell though, think about it. Talk to a real one and really think about it. There's nothing to want, if you take a moment to look at it carefully. Your body tells you a lot of conflicting messages. But think about the value of temporary excitement versus lasting peace.

The problem at the age of 21 is that unless you've had good fortune and are a stud in some way, no girl wants you. Realize it's a universal experience. It's more universal than just internet boards. It's a universal male experience, not just a universal incel experience. You don't want the company of girls who want nothing to do with you.

The good news is maybe when you're 30, you'll have money and some wisdom of the years under your belt, and then is when 20 year old girls might want to fuck you. That can be a motivator. But I'd also say it's reasonable to not want to wait around that long. It's valid to want to die because you'll never experience teenage romance. Not a good enough reason in my book, but it's valid to feel that way at least. That sucks!! Life is so unfair, some people get laid in middle school, and have all kinds of fun in highschool, and others are just horribly depressed this whole time, not enjoying themselves at all. I won't tell you it all evens out in the end, that may not be the case.
 
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Codename_Joryu

Codename_Joryu

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Yeah but you have to be willing to fix yourself also to do so. It would be so selfish to just expect your partner to fix you when they're not your therapist. Most of the healing is done on your own, having a partner is just added bonus. Love isn't going to be the only reason someone stays, im sorry but there is a limit. You see people who are struggling getting into relationships but you don't see the improvement they're doing to keep their partner. Having the expectation that your partner will save your life will ruin you and your loved one.
Do you honestly think that anyone is capable of fixing themselves alone? Especially people with bad mental issues like autism, adhd, OCD, ect.? Everyone deserves love, even people struggling with things that they often don't talk about. And also about that "You see people who are struggling getting into relationships but you don't see the improvement they're doing to keep their partner.". Well, why do you think they are doing the improvement, genius? I never said that having a partner would automatically turn your life around, I'm just saying that it helps a lot.
You want love, but not from an ugly girl, or a really annoying one, or whatever.
I never go for looks because it's shallow and fucked up. I had a crush on several girls that I didn't even find physically attractive, simply because I liked their personality.
 
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whyyyyyyyy

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May 26, 2020
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Do you honestly think that anyone is capable of fixing themselves alone? Especially people with bad mental issues like autism, adhd, OCD, ect.? Everyone deserves love, even people struggling with things that they often don't talk about. And also about that "You see people who are struggling getting into relationships but you don't see the improvement they're doing to keep their partner.". Well, why do you think they are doing the improvement, genius? I never said that having a partner would automatically turn your life around, I'm just saying that it helps a lot.

I never go for looks because it's shallow and fucked up. I had a crush on several girls that I didn't even find physically attractive, simply because I liked their personality.
You either have to be content with waiting around and being alone in the mean time, or looking harder. You can do both, you can look harder and become better at being alone.

Also, who says you need fixing man? You. You are the main voice saying that. Outside voices start that conversation, but in the end we tend to be the main ones repeating it incessantly, internalizing that we're somehow inherently flawed. There's nothing wrong with you. Don't believe that there is. You can still change, but if you approach life from the vantage point of "I'm flawed, I need to change from how I am right now, and I can't do it alone", isn't that just a guarantee that you'll never be content in the present moment?
 
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Codename_Joryu

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Dec 15, 2023
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You either have to be content with waiting around and being alone in the mean time, or looking harder. You can do both, you can look harder and become better at being alone.

Also, who says you need fixing man? You. You are the main voice saying that. Outside voices start that conversation, but in the end we tend to be the main ones repeating it incessantly, internalizing that we're somehow inherently flawed. There's nothing wrong with you. Don't believe that there is. You can still change, but if you approach life from the vantage point of "I'm flawed, I need to change from how I am right now, and I can't do it alone", isn't that just a guarantee that you'll never be content in the present moment?
If there's nothing wrong with me, then why doesn't anyone want me? You don't get to your 20s without experiencing love by some fucking unfortunate miracle, not to mention the fact that I've been constantly trying and putting myself out there to find someone. It's clear that there's just something repulsive about me, something that people may not even be able to properly name, but they can still see it. A part of me that just pushes away any potential partner, but no one can even tell what it is. Not my friends, not any girl I talk to, not even a therapist.
 
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whyyyyyyyy

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If there's nothing wrong with me, then why doesn't anyone want me? You don't get to your 20s without experiencing love by some fucking unfortunate miracle, not to mention the fact that I've been constantly trying and putting myself out there to find someone. It's clear that there's just something repulsive about me, something that people may not even be able to properly name, but they can still see it. A part of me that just pushes away any potential partner, but no one can even tell what it is. Not my friends, not any girl I talk to, not even a therapist.
I relate very strongly to these feelings from personal experience. You might just have to wait it out. I'm not saying you can't improve, but just that you shouldn't think lowly of yourself, as weak, stupid, or inferior. But idk, what do you think might be wrong with you, if you had to give a brutally realistic, honest guess? about yourself
 
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Lions303

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Aug 24, 2025
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Im really sorry. I just want to start by saying that I don't think you or anything needs 'fixing, you're not a car. What @MyShadow said but ill phrase slightly differently, how can you love someone and expect someone to love you if you don't love yourself?... Id ask a few questions of myself in your situation. 1) Do I want to date someone or want to have a girlfriend? 2) Am I ready to start dating? 2.5)If no, what can I do, work on or solve so I feel ready to start dating? 3) What are a list of things that are preventing me from dating someone? (Something like "Do I meet new new poeple to date? If I dont then I need to meet new people to date. If I do, do I talk to said people? If I dont, then I need to talk to them. If I do then what is it thats stopping from going on dates? Is it that chats are friendly (which is good) but i need to show more romantic intent? Is it that I dont like the people and dont see myself dating them? If so, where are the people I want to date likely to be?") Then you have a starting point from here... Id also suggest that create a list before ou start dating and create 2 columns called 'What I bring & What I want', what i bring is what you bring to a relationship. What I want is what you want in a relationship.
 
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unluckysadness

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Jul 9, 2025
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Same at 43. I beat you all ! But I'm not human so it's normal
 
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jimmyinnout

jimmyinnout

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Sep 5, 2025
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If you are on "ANTI-DEPRESSANTS" for long enough, you will not need to worry about this at all :pfff:

Though as someone who is entirely acceptant of my permavirginity (as in, I went from constantly whining about having no gf, "dying a virgin", being ugly/an incel, etc. - to only caring about the "physical" aspects of a relationship from biological urges, and then outside of that, having 0 desire to remedy and feeling no shame towards my lack of a relationship - to now: not even having that be a factor anymore) there will just be some other reason to want to CBT. In fact I wish being a virgin was still why I wanted to CBT personally
 
FinalDestiny

FinalDestiny

God’s in his heaven. All’s right with the world.
May 30, 2022
25
Dealing with the fact
That you've got nothing to love
Nothing to do with
Your rotten resolve.
It's true shit. Abusive.
Mental health takes its toll.
Now we've got nothing to lose.
Time to be ruthless,
Choose it. You've got nothing to prove.
Got your own social anxieties,
Following you.


It's rough. I'm almost 40 and in the same boat. No one likes me. No one wants to be with me. Has been that way since I could remember. While everyone in school (elementary) was pairing off, the girl I liked laughed at me and said I wasn't her type. During high school, the girl I liked said she liked me like a brother. At work, the girl I liked pretended to be interested so she could get free dinners and have a fallback plan for when she didn't have anything better to do.

Life is tough. Love is even tougher.
It's hard to live being unloved, but would we even be here if we were loved? Maybe it's my own fault for being so unlovable. Maybe I'm a horrible person for judging other people by the standards I hold myself to. Maybe their love is well earned and deserved by some set of actions that I never learned about. Maybe it's one big old conspiracy to keep my genes out of the dating pool. I mean after all, isn't procreation some sort of form of Darwinism at its finest? Can't attract a mate, then you deserve to die alone don't you? I've never been able to figure it out. Love is harder than life and neither of them choose me.

I want you to know that your words touched me today. I feel more seen because of it. I struggle a lot with my mental state and you kind of took the words out of my mouth about my emotional state for today.

I feel so damn unloved.

Sincerely,
Unloved
 
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MyShadow

MyShadow

Torn between fixing and ending my life
Aug 27, 2025
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Im really sorry. I just want to start by saying that I don't think you or anything needs 'fixing, you're not a car. What @MyShadow said but ill phrase slightly differently, how can you love someone and expect someone to love you if you don't love yourself?... Id ask a few questions of myself in your situation. 1) Do I want to date someone or want to have a girlfriend? 2) Am I ready to start dating? 2.5)If no, what can I do, work on or solve so I feel ready to start dating? 3) What are a list of things that are preventing me from dating someone? (Something like "Do I meet new new poeple to date? If I dont then I need to meet new people to date. If I do, do I talk to said people? If I dont, then I need to talk to them. If I do then what is it thats stopping from going on dates? Is it that chats are friendly (which is good) but i need to show more romantic intent? Is it that I dont like the people and dont see myself dating them? If so, where are the people I want to date likely to be?") Then you have a starting point from here... Id also suggest that create a list before ou start dating and create 2 columns called 'What I bring & What I want', what i bring is what you bring to a relationship. What I want is what you want in a relationship.
Well said
 

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