I figured out a painless CTB method that i believe is far better then SN. Pass away in your sleep. 3 ingredients.

[heyismeman]

The 3 ingredients are as follows
- potassium cyanide (kinda hard to purchase but doable)
- benzos, preferably 20mg of Xanax
- 1hr delayed release capsuls (Amazon) (these aren't slow release capsuls but capsuls that release after 1hr)

First you take your PC and you put them into the capsuls, simply do a heroic dose of PC something like 3grams, the more the better doesn't matter

You take your benzos, also the more the better and you then follow through with the PC capsuls, unlike with SN a dose like this of PC will do the trick in about 5 minutes after the capsuls open up.

In theory the benzos will knock you out for the PC to then finish you off.
Does anyone have any way to prove this isn't a painless and guaranteed method?

 

[L'absent]

Your proposed method is interesting, but it may be unnecessarily complex given the intrinsic lethality of potassium cyanide. Cyanide acts within minutes, so the addition of benzodiazepines and delayed-release capsules seems more about the subjective experience rather than technical efficiency. The use of benzodiazepines could serve to reduce panic and fear, prevent vomiting, or ensure unconsciousness before the cyanide takes effect, making the process "less traumatic." However, cyanide already works extremely quickly, so sedation may not be strictly necessary. The delayed-release capsules, on the other hand, could help avoid the bitter taste of cyanide, ensure that the benzodiazepines have fully taken effect before absorption, or delay the onset to minimize the risk of immediate intervention. That said, complicating a method that is already lethal increases the risk of errors, as delayed-release mechanisms and varying individual metabolisms could introduce unpredictable factors. Historically, cyanide has been used successfully without the need for additional substances, as seen in cases like Jonestown, Hermann Göring, and espionage suicides during the Cold War. If the goal is to maximize certainty with the least margin of error, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the rapid action of cyanide without introducing unnecessary pharmacokinetic variables?

 

[heyismeman]

Your proposed method is interesting, but it may be unnecessarily complex given the intrinsic lethality of potassium cyanide. Cyanide acts within minutes, so the addition of benzodiazepines and delayed-release capsules seems more about the subjective experience rather than technical efficiency. The use of benzodiazepines could serve to reduce panic and fear, prevent vomiting, or ensure unconsciousness before the cyanide takes effect, making the process "less traumatic." However, cyanide already works extremely quickly, so sedation may not be strictly necessary. The delayed-release capsules, on the other hand, could help avoid the bitter taste of cyanide, ensure that the benzodiazepines have fully taken effect before absorption, or delay the onset to minimize the risk of immediate intervention. That said, complicating a method that is already lethal increases the risk of errors, as delayed-release mechanisms and varying individual metabolisms could introduce unpredictable factors. Historically, cyanide has been used successfully without the need for additional substances, as seen in cases like Jonestown, Hermann Göring, and espionage suicides during the Cold War. If the goal is to maximize certainty with the least margin of error, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the rapid action of cyanide without introducing unnecessary pharmacokinetic variables?

Well you're not realizing the part where death by PC is famously very painful unlike nitrogen cyanide, some would say it's INCREDIBLY painful, so yes the benzo induced coma is the only way I would say it's worth it. The death is quick sure but unless you're out out it's the worst 4 minutes of your life. The goal isn't to maximize certainty but minimize suffering while still 100% guaranteeing it works. Pain by cyanide is unbelievably painful man one of the worst but quickest ways to go. This way you get the best of both worlds

Your proposed method is interesting, but it may be unnecessarily complex given the intrinsic lethality of potassium cyanide. Cyanide acts within minutes, so the addition of benzodiazepines and delayed-release capsules seems more about the subjective experience rather than technical efficiency. The use of benzodiazepines could serve to reduce panic and fear, prevent vomiting, or ensure unconsciousness before the cyanide takes effect, making the process "less traumatic." However, cyanide already works extremely quickly, so sedation may not be strictly necessary. The delayed-release capsules, on the other hand, could help avoid the bitter taste of cyanide, ensure that the benzodiazepines have fully taken effect before absorption, or delay the onset to minimize the risk of immediate intervention. That said, complicating a method that is already lethal increases the risk of errors, as delayed-release mechanisms and varying individual metabolisms could introduce unpredictable factors. Historically, cyanide has been used successfully without the need for additional substances, as seen in cases like Jonestown, Hermann Göring, and espionage suicides during the Cold War. If the goal is to maximize certainty with the least margin of error, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the rapid action of cyanide without introducing unnecessary pharmacokinetic variables?

Also the benzo here at the dosage i said isn't to lessen anxiety and panic, it's to simply remove it all together 20mg means you're in a coma, zero stimuli

Your proposed method is interesting, but it may be unnecessarily complex given the intrinsic lethality of potassium cyanide. Cyanide acts within minutes, so the addition of benzodiazepines and delayed-release capsules seems more about the subjective experience rather than technical efficiency. The use of benzodiazepines could serve to reduce panic and fear, prevent vomiting, or ensure unconsciousness before the cyanide takes effect, making the process "less traumatic." However, cyanide already works extremely quickly, so sedation may not be strictly necessary. The delayed-release capsules, on the other hand, could help avoid the bitter taste of cyanide, ensure that the benzodiazepines have fully taken effect before absorption, or delay the onset to minimize the risk of immediate intervention. That said, complicating a method that is already lethal increases the risk of errors, as delayed-release mechanisms and varying individual metabolisms could introduce unpredictable factors. Historically, cyanide has been used successfully without the need for additional substances, as seen in cases like Jonestown, Hermann Göring, and espionage suicides during the Cold War. If the goal is to maximize certainty with the least margin of error, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the rapid action of cyanide without introducing unnecessary pharmacokinetic variables?

As for as certainty goes, 250mg of PC is lethal, if you instead swallow 5g it doesn't matter if delayed, not delayed etc etc, once the capsuls open, even just 1 of the 5 it's over.

 

[L'absent]

Well you're not realizing the part where death by PC is famously very painful unlike nitrogen cyanide, some would say it's INCREDIBLY painful, so yes the benzo induced coma is the only way I would say it's worth it. The death is quick sure but unless you're out out it's the worst 4 minutes of your life. The goal isn't to maximize certainty but minimize suffering while still 100% guaranteeing it works. Pain by cyanide is unbelievably painful man one of the worst but quickest ways to go. This way you get the best of both worlds

Also the benzo here at the dosage i said isn't to lessen anxiety and panic, it's to simply remove it all together 20mg means you're in a coma, zero stimuli

As for as certainty goes, 250mg of PC is lethal, if you instead swallow 5g it doesn't matter if delayed, not delayed etc etc, once the capsuls open, even just 1 of the 5 it's over.

I understand the point about the importance of reducing suffering, but I have some doubts about whether benzodiazepines, even at high doses, are truly sufficient to guarantee a total absence of pain. It's true that at 20 mg of Xanax, one enters a comatose state, but a benzodiazepine-induced coma is not real anesthesia: consciousness is suppressed, but the body can still perceive painful stimuli. This means that even if the person is not awake in the traditional sense, they could still experience spasms and physiological distress without being aware of it. If the goal is to completely eliminate any perception of pain, a more targeted combination would be needed. For example, to achieve a more reliable effect, a potent opioid like oxycodone or tramadol could drastically reduce pain perception. An anti-inflammatory like ketoprofen or diclofenac could decrease the body's inflammatory response, reducing spasms and the sensation of systemic burning. An additional sedative like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or clonidine could enhance the suppressive effect on the central nervous system, preventing any bodily response. At that point, there would be a combination that not only induces unconsciousness but also shuts down pain signals at a physiological level. Benzodiazepines alone may not be enough to ensure that the body doesn't still undergo a phase of internal agony. And then there's another point to consider: cyanide is not so easy to obtain, which is not a negligible factor, but let's assume it could be found—because, after all, anything is possible in life.

 

[heyismeman]

I understand the point about the importance of reducing suffering, but I have some doubts about whether benzodiazepines, even at high doses, are truly sufficient to guarantee a total absence of pain. It's true that at 20 mg of Xanax, one enters a comatose state, but a benzodiazepine-induced coma is not real anesthesia: consciousness is suppressed, but the body can still perceive painful stimuli. This means that even if the person is not awake in the traditional sense, they could still experience spasms and physiological distress without being aware of it. If the goal is to completely eliminate any perception of pain, a more targeted combination would be needed. For example, to achieve a more reliable effect, a potent opioid like oxycodone or tramadol could drastically reduce pain perception. An anti-inflammatory like ketoprofen or diclofenac could decrease the body's inflammatory response, reducing spasms and the sensation of systemic burning. An additional sedative like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or clonidine could enhance the suppressive effect on the central nervous system, preventing any bodily response. At that point, there would be a combination that not only induces unconsciousness but also shuts down pain signals at a physiological level. Benzodiazepines alone may not be enough to ensure that the body doesn't still undergo a phase of internal agony. And then there's another point to consider: cyanide is not so easy to obtain, which is not a negligible factor, but let's assume it could be found—because, after all, anything is possible in life.

I would say this, a high dose of cyanide leaves you unconscious in 1-3 minutes, a state of unconsciousness from benzo does leave you without feeling pain. Unconscious is unconscious one cannot perceive pain in an unconscious way. Now yea it could be the cyanide jolts your body into waking up, in a semi conscious state where you can perceive pain, but this likely will occur 1 - 2 minutes into the cyanide process meaning you're likely to feel 30 seconds of pain before you pass out again. Or maybe not, cyanide usually leaves you unconscious within a couple minutes at most, the benzo coma could carry you into this state. Certainly your body won't wake up the same second cyanide begins taking effect. Unconsciousness by definition one cannot feel any pain

 

[L'absent]

I would say this, a high dose of cyanide leaves you unconscious in 1-3 minutes, a state of unconsciousness from benzo does leave you without feeling pain. Unconscious is unconscious one cannot perceive pain in an unconscious way. Now yea it could be the cyanide jolts your body into waking up, in a semi conscious state where you can perceive pain, but this likely will occur 1 - 2 minutes into the cyanide process meaning you're likely to feel 30 seconds of pain before you pass out again. Or maybe not, cyanide usually leaves you unconscious within a couple minutes at most, the benzo coma could carry you into this state. Certainly your body won't wake up the same second cyanide begins taking effect. Unconsciousness by definition one cannot feel any pain

Yes, the reasoning makes sense, but there are still some uncertainties to consider. It is true that a high dose of cyanide leads to unconsciousness quickly, but the problem is that it is not a true anesthesia: the body can still react autonomously. The idea that unconsciousness guarantees total absence of pain is generally correct, but there are physiological exceptions. For example, the brain can remain active in a shallow unconscious state, with involuntary reactions to noxious stimuli.
In the case of cyanide, the main question is how quickly the benzodiazepine-induced coma can counteract the initial effect of cellular hypoxia. If cyanide causes a sudden metabolic crisis leading to spasms and distress before full unconsciousness, then there is a possibility of experiencing a brief phase of extreme pain, even if in an altered state. Some forensic reports describe convulsions and spasms occurring while the body is in a not entirely unresponsive state.
The primary concern is whether the benzodiazepine-induced coma is deep enough to block all physiological responses before cyanide triggers the initial spasms. Because if there is even a 30-second interval between the moment cyanide starts interfering with metabolism and the point of irreversible unconsciousness, that brief period could still be perceived as suffering, even if attenuated.
So the question is not whether unconsciousness prevents pain (which is generally true), but whether the body can go through an intermediate phase of involuntary spasms that are not immediately suppressed by sedation. In the case of opioid overdose, for example, respiratory arrest happens much more gradually than with cyanide, so there is no sudden metabolic shock that could trigger a reaction before full unconsciousness.
In short, the point is not to deny that unconsciousness protects against pain, but to assess whether there is a window of time in which the body might still autonomously react, making the process more traumatic than it appears on paper.

 

[heyismeman]

Yes, the reasoning makes sense, but there are still some uncertainties to consider. It is true that a high dose of cyanide leads to unconsciousness quickly, but the problem is that it is not a true anesthesia: the body can still react autonomously. The idea that unconsciousness guarantees total absence of pain is generally correct, but there are physiological exceptions. For example, the brain can remain active in a shallow unconscious state, with involuntary reactions to noxious stimuli.
In the case of cyanide, the main question is how quickly the benzodiazepine-induced coma can counteract the initial effect of cellular hypoxia. If cyanide causes a sudden metabolic crisis leading to spasms and distress before full unconsciousness, then there is a possibility of experiencing a brief phase of extreme pain, even if in an altered state. Some forensic reports describe convulsions and spasms occurring while the body is in a not entirely unresponsive state.
The primary concern is whether the benzodiazepine-induced coma is deep enough to block all physiological responses before cyanide triggers the initial spasms. Because if there is even a 30-second interval between the moment cyanide starts interfering with metabolism and the point of irreversible unconsciousness, that brief period could still be perceived as suffering, even if attenuated.
So the question is not whether unconsciousness prevents pain (which is generally true), but whether the body can go through an intermediate phase of involuntary spasms that are not immediately suppressed by sedation. In the case of opioid overdose, for example, respiratory arrest happens much more gradually than with cyanide, so there is no sudden metabolic shock that could trigger a reaction before full unconsciousness.
In short, the point is not to deny that unconsciousness protects against pain, but to assess whether there is a window of time in which the body might still autonomously react, making the process more traumatic than it appears on paper.

You're reasoning is very solid, but it also justifies my reasoning for why PC would be better then SN. SN does kill and it does technically make you pass out, but the death itself can take hours with spasm occuring also, the amount of semi conscious anguish is unknown, but would you not rather subside it the best you can with Benzos and die in 2-5 minutes or subside it with benzos but then die in a few hours of an unknown limbo. Yes you may still feel some anguish with benzos and PC, more then definitely less anguish then with just pure PC so why would one not? Especially when we don't know what the anguish is like but we can definitely say it's dramatically subsided if you're in a benzo coma as opposed to not. You're right I can't say this method is painless, I'd argue it's less painful then SN. But it is a guarantee, 5g of PC will kill you and it will kill you in a couple minutes. Awakening in a state where you have 20mg of Xanax in your system is very likely less traumatic then the pure PC experience itself also and I think you're for sure to awake near the tail end of the process IF you awake at all. A huge dose of Kenzo is

 

[babouflo201223]

Well you're not realizing the part where death by PC is famously very painful unlike nitrogen cyanide, some would say it's INCREDIBLY painful, so yes the benzo induced coma is the only way I would say it's worth it. The death is quick sure but unless you're out out it's the worst 4 minutes of your life. The goal isn't to maximize certainty but minimize suffering while still 100% guaranteeing it works. Pain by cyanide is unbelievably painful man one of the worst but quickest ways to go. This way you get the best of both worlds

Also the benzo here at the dosage i said isn't to lessen anxiety and panic, it's to simply remove it all together 20mg means you're in a coma, zero stimuli

As for as certainty goes, 250mg of PC is lethal, if you instead swallow 5g it doesn't matter if delayed, not delayed etc etc, once the capsuls open, even just 1 of the 5 it's over.

Interesting, thank you (you 2) !
Could nitrogen cyanide be used instead of potassium cyanide with the same result (just less painful if I understand right) ?
And where is it possible to find potassium cyanide or nitrogen cyanide ? Seems quite impossible...

 

[heyismeman]

Interesting, thank you (you 2) !
Could nitrogen cyanide be used instead of potassium cyanide with the same result (just less painful if I understand right) ?
And where is it possible to find potassium cyanide or nitrogen cyanide ? Seems quite impossible...

Nitrogen cyanide youre not gonna find, potassium you can order online if you're good at BS paperwork etc

 

[Eudaimonic]

Can't enteric-coated capsules cause issues with absorption (the PPH/PPeH states this, iirc)? I'm pretty sure this is the exact reason why they are not advised for SN. In theory yes this would be ideal for both SN and for PH, but practically speaking, I don't think it's worth sacrificing an ample amount of reliability for greater peacefulness.

 

[J&L383]

It's a very interesting discussion. But there are so many unknowns and not a lot of "guinea pigs" available for experimentation to test the efficacy.

 

[heyismeman]

I would say it makes perfect sense for SN as your risk of throwing up slower absorption etc are critical issues with SN itself. PC is not SN 250mg you're gone gone, so a pill with 1g dissolving is guaranteed you're a gonner there's not that fine line that's intrinsic to SN.
I would say it makes perfect sense for SN as your risk of throwing up slower absorption etc are critical issues with SN itself. PC is not SN 250mg you're gone gone, so a pill with 1g dissolving is guaranteed you're a gonner there's not that fine line that's intrinsic to SN.
I would say it makes perfect sense for SN as your risk of throwing up slower absorption etc are critical issues with SN itself. PC is not SN 250mg you're gone gone, so a pill with 1g dissolving is guaranteed you're a gonner there's not that fine line that's intrinsic to SN.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

ease of accessibility is a big factor. just my two cents.

 

[danny10]

I like your idea but how the hell can one get potassium cyanide?

 

[Valhala]

I think that in Johnstown, in addition to cyanide, they also consumed tranquilizers. In the case of Göehring and other Nazi leaders, the cyanide released from the glass capsule supposedly interacted with saliva to create a deadly gas that significantly accelerated the process, and it was not a case of classic oral ingestion.

Your proposed method is interesting, but it may be unnecessarily complex given the intrinsic lethality of potassium cyanide. Cyanide acts within minutes, so the addition of benzodiazepines and delayed-release capsules seems more about the subjective experience rather than technical efficiency. The use of benzodiazepines could serve to reduce panic and fear, prevent vomiting, or ensure unconsciousness before the cyanide takes effect, making the process "less traumatic." However, cyanide already works extremely quickly, so sedation may not be strictly necessary. The delayed-release capsules, on the other hand, could help avoid the bitter taste of cyanide, ensure that the benzodiazepines have fully taken effect before absorption, or delay the onset to minimize the risk of immediate intervention. That said, complicating a method that is already lethal increases the risk of errors, as delayed-release mechanisms and varying individual metabolisms could introduce unpredictable factors. Historically, cyanide has been used successfully without the need for additional substances, as seen in cases like Jonestown, Hermann Göring, and espionage suicides during the Cold War. If the goal is to maximize certainty with the least margin of error, wouldn't it be more logical to rely on the rapid action of cyanide without introducing unnecessary pharmacokinetic variables?

I think that in Johnstown, in addition to cyanide, they also consumed tranquilizers. In the case of Göehring and other Nazi leaders, the cyanide released from the glass capsule supposedly interacted with saliva to create a deadly gas that significantly accelerated the process, and it was not a case of classic oral ingestion.