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Insomniac

Insomniac

𝔄 𝔲 𝔱 𝔦 𝔰 𝔪
May 21, 2021
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my very existence is probably causing someone greater suffering that I'm enduring myself. I know that.
 
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Suicidebydeath

Suicidebydeath

No chances to be happy - dead inside
Nov 25, 2021
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I don't think that.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I do know what you mean- from a personal and environmental point of view.

I generate so much rubbish and while I feel bad about it, I'm too lazy to buy foods that aren't mostly wrapped in plastic. I dread to think how much crap I've contributed over my lifetime. Plus, I've only been vegetarian the past year and a half-ish- so God knows how many animals have suffered and been slaughtered on my behalf.

I buy clothes and other goods that are most likely made under terrible conditions. We like to think companies and governments maintain decent working conditions but no one can really dellude themselves into believing their £5 t-shirt was made by someone receiving a fair wage.

That all said- I forgive myself in part because I didn't choose to be born and I would leave happily if the option weren't such a haphazard DIY approach.
 
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lachrymost

lachrymost

finger on the eject button
Oct 4, 2022
356
I think becoming a moral agent with moral responsibilities is a terrible affliction. It's too hard to figure out what the least evil way to live even is, and of course living itself is ethically problematic, as you said. The well being of one person or group is always coming into conflict with another.
 
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Pluto

Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
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The irony is that ones who really are 'evil' (Dark Triad types) would never have a thought questioning themselves like this. Please try to not be too hard on yourself.
 
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Insomniac

Insomniac

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May 21, 2021
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I do know what you mean- from a personal and environmental point of view.

I generate so much rubbish and while I feel bad about it, I'm too lazy to buy foods that aren't mostly wrapped in plastic. I dread to think how much crap I've contributed over my lifetime. Plus, I've only been vegetarian the past year and a half-ish- so God knows how many animals have suffered and been slaughtered on my behalf.
you get it

I don't think that.

still, on top of everything @Forever Sleep mentioned, my pathetic and modern lifestyle could feed thousands of healthy minded (not greedy) humans.

My existence is so toxic to so many precious and beautiful things.
 
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makethepainstop

makethepainstop

Visionary
Sep 16, 2022
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my very existence is probably causing someone greater suffering that I'm enduring myself. I know that.
Just existing of its self cannot be evil. Existence is like knives, they can be used for evil by an attacker, or used for good by a surgeon. Only our activities can be good or evil. Much love to you.
 
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Insomniac

Insomniac

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May 21, 2021
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It's too hard to figure out what the least evil way to live even is
If we're being honest, it's not. We all know indigenous people of all continents lived more ideally.

Yes they had fucked up traditions but you and I know they were fundamentally better humans.

trying to argue with that'd be a insane. convoluted morals and dwellings in abstract philosophical concepts is a result of immense guilt.
 
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𖣴 nadia 𖣴

𖣴 nadia 𖣴

...member...
Dec 15, 2021
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I feel this way too, it's depressing to know that just by doing ordinary things like buying mobile phones, laptops, and clothes we're funding violence, rape, genital mutilation, exploitation and murder in other parts of the world:




 
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Suicidebydeath

Suicidebydeath

No chances to be happy - dead inside
Nov 25, 2021
3,558
People that punch and scream at another human being for 20 plus years and think they're good people, are evil. That's "normal" people, I don't think anyone here is evil honestly.

I recycle, and I might die soon, but we can only do what we can do. It's not the same as actively hurting others, to me.
 
actual_fox

actual_fox

Arcanist
Sep 15, 2022
469
You people are overthinking It, you are not the cause for this thing called globalism or world existing. You do not have much power to stop It even if you all become hermits or stop consuming one way or the other. You are not even greedy consumers most of the time being that conscious of your impact. There is so much shit produced already that most of us could live with things which we already have, and kids in Congo could go back to being 3rd world country with no money coming from 1st world countries.

You might feel this way- but then your death will not improve anything. Like zero. World will not get one, even infinitesimally small point, better then what It was before your death. If It is a big deal for you then you might want to speak with other environmentally conscious people maybe this is a community wort exploring- some of them are total doomers so you might like them.

I think the thought you put into your impact on the well being of world is admirable <3 just be careful because world does not wish you death, It is just very indifferent.
 
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