I am Sorry....

[Soulless_Angel]

I write as a parent, there are so many on here who write about not wishing to have been born and hating their parents, they write as a child who believes that non existence would have been better, Tonight after one too many rums, I write tonight as a parent, I am prepared to be hated for this post, prepared to debate and prepared for whatever comes my way

Mental health issues have been underlying through out my life, as a women, I never chose the sexual abuse, the emotional neglect, the physical violence, the hatred aimed at me from every angle, but it became normal, to me I knew no different. to me a life as a child was one of solitude and pain, one of a world were I was forced into one a child should never have witnessed. I swore I would never have children, claimed I would never bring them into this hell. yet it was all I knew, smiles and laughter didn't exist in my world, unless it was at another's suffering.
Yet when I was 17 and found myself pregnant, I simply could not destroy the life within me, and vowed to give him more then I ever could.
Forced adoption soon arose and the age of 4, after years of a life that was never simple or smooth, I thought my life was one to be alone with nothing worth while. a CTB attempt led to nothing but sleep for days, a further attempt left me in a police station before being let out.

Yet some how I found my feet, met my husband, found a life that I had been seeking, a life I had believed I was searching for, one I deserved. We went on to have children, 4 beautiful children, 4 individual personalities,stubborn, independent, loving, shy yet cocky.
I thought I had everything, I thought my past was behind me.

April 2nd this year, something within me snapped, I wanted it all to end, this life, this world, this existence. it was no longer relevant to me. Past hitting me, the mask I had been holding for the past 11 or so years slipped, suddenly it kept going, everything fell apart. It was only then serious mental health issues made themselves known to me,
No longer was I living the ideal life, No longer was I living in a world that was safe.

Reality kicked in. Fast forward to this day, my path is decided, the last few days finally confirming my thoughts, but those right now are irrelevant, I refuse to be selfish right now.

You can call me selfish for bringing life into this world that may not have wanted to be brought into it, but when I look into the eyes of my 6 yr old boy, I see someone who is loving everything around him, confident, cocky with a adult sense of humour.
I wonder does he ever wish he wasn't here, then I shake myself and think, how would he know at this young age of death, not existing, how would he even comprehend a world were he wasn't born, the answer is, he simply couldn't.
Yes I forced him into this world, I brought him into a world that I thought was safe and secure, I was naive, but I was content in a bubble that was soon to be burst. But in that bubble there was nothing to even hint at the hell about to fall upon me.

For those who suffer mental health issues and are aware from a young age, those who are able to make those choices of never bring a life into this world, those who are able to sit there and go, this is happening, I wish not to bring suffering to others, I respect you, I hope your path turns the way you wish no matter what it may be

For those that are older yet are in the eyes of some still their child. I apologise as a mother, as a parent, for the path that life has sent you on, I apologise for a life you wish you were not gifted, as it has caused you nothing but heartache, pain and hell.

As a mother, I apologise for the selfish act of giving life when it is not wanted.


As a women, I beg you to understand, we sometimes wish and pray the life we give will ensure one of a better future, we intend to change the path of our history in the hope of a better tomorrow,
As a human being, I apologise for the mistake we have made, a lesson learnt, a chain of events as the pain ripples down through.

Maybe it's too late for some, I respect you, I send you my love, I hope you can find the right path no matter were it takes you, for the others, I pray for you, I am not religious bar spiritualism, but you are in my thoughts.

As a Parent, I am Sorry.

 

[Soundgarden]

I think it was in the main forum that someone posted something about parenthood and it caused an outrage. But as you so eloquently show it, the question is very complex.

Yes, we did not ask to be born, but here we are. Yes, many of us live hell on earth every day, but I don't think that's on our parents (I am not talking about parents who intetionally cause harm).


I think it's as you describe it. People have children, and maybe right then and there they are at a good point in their lives. They genuinly want kids, feel some hope in the future, and harbour a belief that things will work out.

I can't speak from experience, as I don't have children, but I think most of us exist, because at some point two people felt hope.

 

[Wolfjob_dayjob]

I exist because my grandmother and then a catholic household she was disowned to refused my mom an abortion and she was too helpless to her help herself. This helplessness ends with me. No comment on parenthood and my opinions on it, though I wish I were in an emotional place to have the equanimity of Pat Benetar.

 

[Mr2005]

You've nothing to be sorry for. It's what we're in this world to do. Antinatalists are just butthurt because their life didn't work out. It's the same old crap of I'm not happy so no one else should be. Your post was honest and from the heart. You'll get no hate from me

 

[Stan]

Great post!

 

[Alchemist]

You've nothing to be sorry for. It's what we're in this world to do. Antinatalists are just butthurt because their life didn't work out. It's the same old crap of I'm not happy so no one else should be. Your post was honest and from the heart. You'll get no hate from me

Hypocrisy is thy name. Nice trolling tho.

 

[Mr2005]

Hypocrisy is thy name. Nice trolling tho.

What?

 

[Boonks]

Mr2005 is not a troll.

 

[End_it_all]

@Alchemist, what us your problem?

 

[Jean Améry]

You've nothing to be sorry for. It's what we're in this world to do. Antinatalists are just butthurt because their life didn't work out. It's the same old crap of I'm not happy so no one else should be. Your post was honest and from the heart. You'll get no hate from me

It's blatantly obvious you really haven't got a clue and just regurgitate the same old dumb platitudes you were taught without a single moment of reflection before 'sharing' them there.

"It's what we're in this world to do."

The world isn't teleological: if you had any knowledge of the theory of evolution you would know there isn't a point, 'design' or goal of any kind to evolution. Nothing was created with a goal in mind: it's all blind mutations in response to changing surroundings. Over 99% of the species that lived on planet earth have gone extinct. That's what reproduction leads to: guaranteed demise of the species at one point in time inspite of all the effort expended, all the suffering endured and the billions of individuals compromising that species that will have died to reach the point of total annihiliation.

To conclude from what is that is should be so is called the naturalistic fallacy. It simply does not follow with necessity, the conclusion is therefore illogical.

Nothing says we're here to reproduce and repeat the same old, pointless, sad performance over and over again. Only you and the breeders posit is as if it's some immanent truth of existence. Again: because something is does not mean it should be so. To claim it is is the height of arrogance.

According to your 'logic' (I'm being liberal here) we are here to exist (the other part of instinct and the necessary prerequisite for procreation) and therefore that is what we should do. Therefore you shouldn't even contemplate suicide and live aslong as you possibly can because you know 'it's what we're in this world to do'. That is the absurdity your line of muddled thinking leads to.

If you truly believe that there is no reason for you to be here, except perhaps to mock those poor 'butthurt' souls who have the audacity to be unhappy and dare question the wisdom and morality of creating more people who could (and some of them will) end up in the exact spot they're in right now.

Go preach your pro life propaganda (life is therefore it should continue = anti suicide) somewhere else. We hear enough of that crap in our everyday lives, we don't need to hear it here aswell. Especially since you had to be obnoxious, crude and offensive about it.

Just how deluded must one be about life in order to think it's a good idea to replicate it? This must be the motto of the procreators: 'Life is so effing fun, worth all the crap one could possibly endure and we'll gladly suffer death so lets create more people to share in the goddamn fun with us: fun, fun, fun!'

"Antinatalists are just butthurt because their life didn't work out."

That's a logical fallacy (ad hominem) which proves yet again you haven't got a clue. Instead of wasting time explaining what anti-natalism is I'd suggest you read a book about this topic (which I bet good money on you never did, the alternatives are that you are simply not able to comprehend abstract reasoning or you consciously misrepresent the position) before spouting nonsense. Philosophy is about arguments, facts and logic not about the raunchest psychologism.

Since you probably won't make the effort to educate yourself I'll keep it very simple: philosophers like David Benatar, Arthur Schopenhauer, Karim Akema, Seana Shiffrin, Julio Cabrera and many others almost certainly live or lived much, much better lives than you. Unhappy (as in suicidal or depressed or otherwise gravely suffering) anti-natalists are only one subgroup of the total amount of those professing to that philosophy but by all means abuse logic and draw completely irrational conclusions all day long. Truth really is nothing more than what you want it to be, isn't it?

"It's the same old crap of I'm not happy so no one else should be."

Again: you haven't got a clue. Anti-natalism is the negative answer to the question whether it's morally justified to expose other humans to guaranteed suffering, death and risk without their consent while there is no discernible point to life, humanity will die out one day (nothing in the known universe lasts forever) and existence doesn't offer any advantage over non-existence since it the second case you can't even miss anything that is supposed to be 'good' and 'pleasant' in life.

The object isn't to spread unhappiness but to eradicate it altogether: you managed to get it exactly backwards.

Anyone who thinks it's socially acceptable to publicly repeat the moronic expression 'butthurt' deserves to be laughed out of town. This isn't effing facebook or whatever else there is out here to voice one's stupidity and pettiness.

 

[Alchemist]

@Alchemist, what us your problem?

@Jean Améry Put it in better words than I could have never done. Calling antinatalists butthurt and wanting to bring new life when suicidal is the definition of hipocrisy.

 

[Mr2005]

Pretty sure that's not the dictionary definition. This is precisely the kind of crap Souless angel was expecting. Support, yeah right. Only until it hurts your feelings. She gave more indication of caring about people than you have. If I had someone like Jean to put my thoughts into words you'd see so do I

 

[Alchemist]

Pretty sure that's not the dictionary definition. This is precisely the kind of crap Souless angel was expecting. Support, yeah right. Only until it hurts your feelings. She gave more indication of caring about people than you have. If I had someone like Jean to put my thoughts into words you'd see so do I

Not sure if you if you're feigning ignorance is it genuine, but whatever. I congratulate your trolling attempts, they are quite fun. Not bringing people to suffer to this world is the ultimate form of caring. Jean already proved you wrong.

 

[Luchs]

It's blatantly obvious you really haven't got a clue and just regurgitate the same old dumb platitudes you were taught without a single moment of reflection before 'sharing' them there.

"It's what we're in this world to do."

The world isn't teleological: if you had any knowledge of the theory of evolution you would know there isn't a point, 'design' or goal of any kind to evolution. Nothing was created with a goal in mind: it's all blind mutations in response to changing surroundings. Over 99% of the species that lived on planet earth have gone extinct. That's what reproduction leads to: guaranteed demise of the species at one point in time inspite of all the effort expended, all the suffering endured and the billions of individuals compromising that species that will have died to reach the point of total annihiliation.

To conclude from what is that is should be so is called the naturalistic fallacy. It simply does not follow with necessity, the conclusion is therefore illogical.

Nothing says we're here to reproduce and repeat the same old, pointless, sad performance over and over again. Only you and the breeders posit is as if it's some immanent truth of existence. Again: because something is does not mean it should be so. To claim it is is the height of arrogance.

According to your 'logic' (I'm being liberal here) we are here to exist (the other part of instinct and the necessary prerequisite for procreation) and therefore that is what we should do. Therefore you shouldn't even contemplate suicide and live aslong as you possibly can because you know 'it's what we're in this world to do'. That is the absurdity your line of muddled thinking leads to.

If you truly believe that there is no reason for you to be here, except perhaps to mock those poor 'butthurt' souls who have the audacity to be unhappy and dare question the wisdom and morality of creating more people who could (and some of them will) end up in the exact spot they're in right now.

Go preach your pro life propaganda (life is therefore it should continue = anti suicide) somewhere else. We hear enough of that crap in our everyday lives, we don't need to hear it here aswell. Especially since you had to be obnoxious, crude and offensive about it.

Just how deluded must one be about life in order to think it's a good idea to replicate it? This must be the motto of the procreators: 'Life is so effing fun, worth all the crap one could possibly endure we should create more people to share in the goddamn fun with us: fun, fun, fun!'

"Antinatalists are just butthurt because their life didn't work out."

That's a logical fallacy (ad hominem) which proves yet again you haven't got a clue. Instead of wasting time explaining what anti-natalism is I'd suggest you read a book about this topic (which I bet good money on you never did, the alternatives are that you are simply not able to comprehend abstract reasoning or you consciously misrepresent the position) before spouting nonsense. Philosophy is about arguments, facts and logic not about the raunchest psychologism.

Since you probably won't make the effort to educate yourself I'll keep it very simple: philosophers like David Benatar, Arthur Schopenhauer, Karim Akema, Seana Shiffrin, Julio Cabrera and many others almost certainly live or lived much, much better lives than you. Unhappy (as in suicidal or depressed or otherwise gravely suffering) anti-natalists are only one subgroup of the total amount of those professing to that philosophy but by all means abuse logic and draw completely irrational conclusions all day long. Truth really is nothing more than what you want it to be, isn't it?

"It's the same old crap of I'm not happy so no one else should be."

Again: you haven't got a clue. Anti-natalism is the negative answer to the question whether it's morally justified to expose other humans to guaranteed suffering, death and risk without their consent while there is no discernible point to life, humanity will die out one day (nothing in the known universe lasts forever) and existence doesn't offer any advantage over non-existence since it the second case you can't even miss anything that is supposed to be 'good' and 'pleasant' in life.

The object isn't to spread unhappiness but to eradicate it altogether: you managed to get it exactly backwards.

Anyone who thinks it's socially acceptable to publicly repeat the moronic expression 'butthurt' deserves to be laughed out of town. This isn't effing facebook or whatever else there is out here to voice one's stupidity and pettiness.

It's not about humanity, it is about life as a whole! Humanity may be the only chance for it to carry on beyond the death of our sun. Would you really whish for something as rare and special as life to just be swallowed by an uncaring ball of fire, forever forgotten because there is nothing to remember it? If life dies the universe might as well not exist, because there is nothing to experience it.

I do understand that most people that ended up here have had a shitty life full of pain and hatdships, I'm here too! I don't contest anyone's right to end themselves, whobut oneself has the right to end you? But there are other people, happy people that have great lives, certainly not without any problems, but those are sparse enough to allow them to enjoy their existance! Should we stop procreating just because there is a chance our offspring could lead miserable lifes?

Life, existance is too valuable for it to just be snuffed out by some uncaring cosmic event! It is the main characteristic of humans that we fight on, beyond our hardships, that we don't give up and fight for what we believe in! The human spirit is a wonderful thing, it could take us to the stars or lead life into an early grave. Like I said, you can ctb if you want, noone has any right to stop you, but must the entirety of existance also perish with you?

We must secure the existance of our species and a future for our children, otherwhise we might as well lay down and die.

 

[Mr2005]

Not sure if you if you're feigning ignorance is it genuine, but whatever. I congratulate your trolling attempts, they are quite fun. Not bringing people to suffer to this world is the ultimate form of caring. Jean already proved you wrong.

A bully as a mod. Whatever next

 

[Alchemist]

A bully as a mod. Whatever next

I would say that using ad hominems is a sign of a lost argument, but you have used nothing but that. Thanks for proving you have no arguments. DOn't give what you can't take.

 

[Jean Améry]

As a Parent, I am Sorry.

First of all I'm sorry for all the crap and pain you had to go through and the way you feel now. What I wrote above in response to Mr2005 wasn't aimed at you so please don't take it personally.

You don't owe us anything, least of all an apology. You did not give birth to me or screw up my life. I really do hope everything turns out great for you and your children, I really do. I just happen to be a pessimist (another philosophical position not to be attributed to my personal suffering as it's a world view not a personal appreciation) so I think on the whole life is something that should not be and I strongly believe anti-natalism is the correct moral position and I'm willing and able to defend it tooth and nail.

Not out of egoism (stupid pride) or because I'm unhappy but because I truly believe it's the right thing to do and at least some of the things we do in this life matter or at least should matter.

In my opinion the more people decide to remain childless the better but it is not my intention to attack anyone who already feels like crap as I empathize strongly with all those who are suffering.

Which again is the reason why I don't think procreation is a good idea (more people to experience suffering) but you shouldn't beat yourself up about it now. What's done is done.

Try your best to be a good parent which I'm sure you already are otherwise you probably wouldn't have written that post. It's the scum that reproduces and through sheer egotism and narcissism put their needs before those of their children that I have a burning hatred for. Not you.

The best of luck to you.

 

[Mr2005]

I would say that using ad hominems is a sign of a lost argument, but you have used nothing but that. Thanks for proving you have no arguments. DOn't give what you can't take.

I don't care about winning arguments. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. When did that become a crime? Have we forgotten the importance of intent? All I was trying to do was support the poster. That's what we're here for isn't it? So if you want to consider it a win that's fine by me. I really couldn't care less

 

[Alchemist]

I don't care about winning arguments. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. When did that become a crime? Have we forgotten the importance of intent? All I was trying to do was support the poster. That's what we're here for isn't it? So if you want to consider it a win that's fine by me. I really couldn't care less

You could have supported OP without being a jerk about it, but guess you didn't learn how to do it from her post. Obviously the intent was to pickup a fight with passive-aggressiveness.. And the fact that you keep replying show the opposite about not caring.

 

[Jean Améry]

@Alchemist and @Mr2005:

I think both of you probably overreacted. Lets bury the hatchet, shall we? Hell, I probably worded my reply too harshly (although I did try to restrain myself) aswell so we're all essentially in the same boat.

I do hope this hasn't retracted from the message of the OP which I consider to be thoughtful, compassionate and sweet.

 

[Alchemist]

@Alchemist and @Mr2005:

I think both of you probably overreacted. Lets bury the hatchet, shall we? Hell, I probably worded my reply too harshly (although I did try to restrain myself) as well so we're all essentially in the same boat.

I do hope this hasn't retracted from the message of the OP which I consider to be thoughtful, compassionate and sweet.

I do agree with you, this is almost reaching the point of thread hijacking. So I with leaving it at that.

 

[Mr2005]

You could have supported OP without being a jerk about it, but guess you didn't learn how to do it from her post. Obviously the intent was to pickup a fight with passive-aggressiveness.. And the fact that you keep replying show the opposite about not caring.

No it wasn't. You made it about you. I am more than happy to leave it there myself

 

[Daizai]

I write as a parent, there are so many on here who write about not wishing to have been born and hating their parents, they write as a child who believes that non existence would have been better, Tonight after one too many rums, I write tonight as a parent, I am prepared to be hated for this post, prepared to debate and prepared for whatever comes my way

Mental health issues have been underlying through out my life, as a women, I never chose the sexual abuse, the emotional neglect, the physical violence, the hatred aimed at me from every angle, but it became normal, to me I knew no different. to me a life as a child was one of solitude and pain, one of a world were I was forced into one a child should never have witnessed. I swore I would never have children, claimed I would never bring them into this hell. yet it was all I knew, smiles and laughter didn't exist in my world, unless it was at another's suffering.
Yet when I was 17 and found myself pregnant, I simply could not destroy the life within me, and vowed to give him more then I ever could.
Forced adoption soon arose and the age of 4, after years of a life that was never simple or smooth, I thought my life was one to be alone with nothing worth while. a CTB attempt led to nothing but sleep for days, a further attempt left me in a police station before being let out.

Yet some how I found my feet, met my husband, found a life that I had been seeking, a life I had believed I was searching for, one I deserved. We went on to have children, 4 beautiful children, 4 individual personalities,stubborn, independent, loving, shy yet cocky.
I thought I had everything, I thought my past was behind me.

April 2nd this year, something within me snapped, I wanted it all to end, this life, this world, this existence. it was no longer relevant to me. Past hitting me, the mask I had been holding for the past 11 or so years slipped, suddenly it kept going, everything fell apart. It was only then serious mental health issues made themselves known to me,
No longer was I living the ideal life, No longer was I living in a world that was safe.

Reality kicked in. Fast forward to this day, my path is decided, the last few days finally confirming my thoughts, but those right now are irrelevant, I refuse to be selfish right now.

You can call me selfish for bringing life into this world that may not have wanted to be brought into it, but when I look into the eyes of my 6 yr old boy, I see someone who is loving everything around him, confident, cocky with a adult sense of humour.
I wonder does he ever wish he wasn't here, then I shake myself and think, how would he know at this young age of death, not existing, how would he even comprehend a world were he wasn't born, the answer is, he simply couldn't.
Yes I forced him into this world, I brought him into a world that I thought was safe and secure, I was naive, but I was content in a bubble that was soon to be burst. But in that bubble there was nothing to even hint at the hell about to fall upon me.

For those who suffer mental health issues and are aware from a young age, those who are able to make those choices of never bring a life into this world, those who are able to sit there and go, this is happening, I wish not to bring suffering to others, I respect you, I hope your path turns the way you wish no matter what it may be

For those that are older yet are in the eyes of some still their child. I apologise as a mother, as a parent, for the path that life has sent you on, I apologise for a life you wish you were not gifted, as it has caused you nothing but heartache, pain and hell.

As a mother, I apologise for the selfish act of giving life when it is not wanted.


As a women, I beg you to understand, we sometimes wish and pray the life we give will ensure one of a better future, we intend to change the path of our history in the hope of a better tomorrow,
As a human being, I apologise for the mistake we have made, a lesson learnt, a chain of events as the pain ripples down through.

Maybe it's too late for some, I respect you, I send you my love, I hope you can find the right path no matter were it takes you, for the others, I pray for you, I am not religious bar spiritualism, but you are in my thoughts.

As a Parent, I am Sorry.

Do not be sorry. We understand

 

[Pupuce]

I'll sound harsh as fuck, but screw it.
IMO People should earn their right to procreate. I'm not talking about money, should we exist in a proper society it wouldn't be a problem, but more about morals, everyday life and mental health as well. It is not a miracle solution indeed, but at least a lot of people would not have the possibility of fucking up kids.
Excusing yourself for something you are not responsible for doesn't sound like a good idea to me. You are putting on yourself more blame than you actually deserve, and the people welcoming this are doing the same, which makes them asshole. I don't know you personally, and I do blame my mom for giving me birth, and even more for the failure of a mother she is.

It's not about humanity, it is about life as a whole! Humanity may be the only chance for it to carry on beyond the death of our sun. Would you really whish for something as rare and special as life to just be swallowed by an uncaring ball of fire, forever forgotten because there is nothing to remember it? If life dies the universe might as well not exist, because there is nothing to experience it.

I do understand that most people that ended up here have had a shitty life full of pain and hatdships, I'm here too! I don't contest anyone's right to end themselves, whobut oneself has the right to end you? But there are other people, happy people that have great lives, certainly not without any problems, but those are sparse enough to allow them to enjoy their existance! Should we stop procreating just because there is a chance our offspring could lead miserable lifes?

Life, existance is too valuable for it to just be snuffed out by some uncaring cosmic event! It is the main characteristic of humans that we fight on, beyond our hardships, that we don't give up and fight for what we believe in! The human spirit is a wonderful thing, it could take us to the stars or lead life into an early grave. Like I said, you can ctb if you want, noone has any right to stop you, but must the entirety of existance also perish with you?

We must secure the existance of our species and a future for our children, otherwhise we might as well lay down and die.

The only value life has is the one we give it. Meaning that if we die, nothing of value will have disappeared, and thinking that universe might as well disappear if life does is arrogant. I think the major issue is not about stopping procreation because of a chance of a bad life, but rather because of the lack of a good one. Bad life won't disappear, but if some people were not allowed to raise kids it would be less frequent.

 

[SinisterKid]

if you tried to be the best parent you could possibly be, then you have no need to apologise for anything.

I am a product of the care system. For my own reasons I decided not to have kids. My mother was in 2 very abusive relationships and my old man and step father are both cut from the same cloth. Violent twats who I would not piss on if there were on fire, either of them.

But my long term partner [31 yrs and counting] has a son from a previous marriage. I have known him since he was 6 yrs old. I took on the role his own father gave up on and was determined to do a better job than either of the father figures in my life ever did. Did I succeed? Well we have a good relationship. We can share a pint or two and talk football and life without wanting to prove a damned thing. I am immensely proud of the man he has become. He also gave us a beautiful granddaughter. I would lay down my life for her in a instant. Nothing ever gave me reason to say that before in my lifetime. I am her grandad, plain and simple and she loves me as much as I love her.

I have tried to be the best father figure and grandad I could be. I have made mistakes. I have had illness and mental health issues for the last 11 years. My little family have all stood by me when it would have been much easier on them to abandon me. I feel I have failed them as a person and I have to try and live with that failure. So I have a enormous empathy with the original poster. I get it.

In law, I am a single man, never married, no kids, no rights as a grandparent. But I am glad I have been a part of their three lives and that they have been a part of mine. How it all ends is anyones guess. I am trying to live for them, but I have no idea if that is enough. I dont regret being born, even to poor parents. If I had never been born, I would never have had the privilege of knowing and loving the 3 people who mean the most to me.

So again Souless Angel, you have nothing to apologise for. Hopefully, whatever happened to you in the past, you can somehow learn to leave it behind you and continue to be the parent you strive to be.

 

[Soundgarden]

@Jean Améry

I felt like a storm passed over me after I had read your post.

Don't get me wrong, I think storms are magnificent.

But it was really intense. It's almost like you stepped out of a Thomas Mann novel. There is such conviction and force in your writing. I have to hold on to my hat, lest I be swept away :-)

 

[Dawn0071111]

Thank you so much for this beautiful post. It is one of the reasons why I am so grateful for SS....... I really love this community.

 

[Luchs]

I'll sound harsh as fuck, but screw it.
IMO People should earn their right to procreate. I'm not talking about money, should we exist in a proper society it wouldn't be a problem, but more about morals, everyday life and mental health as well. It is not a miracle solution indeed, but at least a lot of people would not have the possibility of fucking up kids.
Excusing yourself for something you are not responsible for doesn't sound like a good idea to me. You are putting on yourself more blame than you actually deserve, and the people welcoming this are doing the same, which makes them asshole. I don't know you personally, and I do blame my mom for giving me birth, and even more for the failure of a mother she is.

The only value life has is the one we give it. Meaning that if we die, nothing of value will have disappeared, and thinking that universe might as well disappear if life does is arrogant. I think the major issue is not about stopping procreation because of a chance of a bad life, but rather because of the lack of a good one. Bad life won't disappear, but if some people were not allowed to raise kids it would be less frequent.

How is it arrogant? It is the truth. If there exists noone and nothing to witness something it might as well not have happened.

 

[Wayfaerer]

It's not exactly that I regret having been born necessarily, it's just having been born to the parents I had. There's a chance that your children won't end up hating life in adulthood provided you don't fuck up theirs as they are growing like mine had.

 

[Stan]

I think this is getting a little too dark with the responses. The OP did a straight forward open hearted statement. We see them all the time. Not sure why this one is getting this kind of attention. If we start treating posts akin to ancient Roman circuses then things are going to get quiet very quickly